Originally posted by General Kaliero
No accounting for personal taste!Some of us like reason in our debate... others just laugh at the unknown.
I was joking. Inimalist is actually very smart and he'll probably give you an explanation eventually. Then again you might be dumb and never get his point, which is always possible.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I was joking. Inimalist is actually very smart and he'll probably give you an explanation eventually. Then again you might be dumb and never get his point, which is always possible.
Especially when I'm having fun.
Originally posted by BackFire
You agreed to not charge me for oral sex.But here we are, greedy hole.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Well then, isn't the logical reaction to clarify what you've said?Or, y'know, you could just mock me needlessly.
market demographics show overwhelmingly that, while both males and females play games, they play different types of games. SURPRISE! market demographics also show people of different ages, with different preferences, etc, plat different games.
Then I said that violence is more of a selling factor for males, which is true not only of games, but of essentially all media
you took this to mean that I was proposing differences that were not due to marketing (though in some cases I don't think marketing is the most important factor).
I also didn't say gender was the most important determining factor, which your post also seems to assume I was.
And that wasn't mocking. Quite literally, you made a ridiculous comment based on something I didn't post.
Originally posted by BackFire
I knew you were going to say something about 'owning', just your shitty debate style; falsely simplify online gaming to fit into a stereotype that you clearly know nothing about.
Why the profanity? Do you spend your weekends owning strangers on the internet with magic spells and by summoning spirits?
Like I said, two of my boys are gamers so I know about the sub-culture.
Originally posted by inimalist
understandable, as you show essentially no comprehension of what I said
Actually, he really didn't and all you did was make an irrelevant - and false - point.
Between girls that play games and guys that play games, there is really no difference. Sure, not every girl is a fan of Halo - but neither is every guy.
Yes, there are a lot of games marketed specifically at women these days. This is both a good and bad thing. It's good because girls have always been seen as people who don't play games (which is patently untrue). This is bad because a lot of these games are pure shit that any gamer, regardless of gender, would be insulted if someone recommended it to them. The only thing good I can say about these sorts of games and this marketing strategy is that it gets a lot of people into video games that normally would not play.
And that is where the difference in marketing is. Games marketed at guys are marketed at those who are already gamers. Games marketed at women are aimed at those who are not already gamers, or are in the most casual sense. Those of us girls who do play games? Pretty much play the same stuff as all of the guys and completely ignore the marketing (or in some cases get annoyed that we're still basically ignored).
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why the profanity? Do you spend your weekends owning strangers on the internet with magic spells and by summoning spirits?Like I said, two of my boys are gamers so I know about the sub-culture.
Just because your boys fit into the obnoxious stereotype of onling gaming sub-culture doesn't mean that that's what the majority of gamers are like, just means that's what they're like.
Then again, I know someone who is a really obnoxious sports fan, guess that's what all sports fans are like.
And what profanity? You made a shitty point so I pointed out that it was shitty.
And I usually spend my weekends with my friends.
Originally posted by Peach
Actually, he really didn't and all you did was make an irrelevant - and false - point.Between girls that play games and guys that play games, there is really no difference. Sure, not every girl is a fan of Halo - but neither is every guy.
Yes, there are a lot of games marketed specifically at women these days. This is both a good and bad thing. It's good because girls have always been seen as people who don't play games (which is patently untrue). This is bad because a lot of these games are pure shit that any gamer, regardless of gender, would be insulted if someone recommended it to them. The only thing good I can say about these sorts of games and this marketing strategy is that it gets a lot of people into video games that normally would not play.
And that is where the difference in marketing is. Games marketed at guys are marketed at those who are already gamers. Games marketed at women are aimed at those who are not already gamers. Those of us girls who do play games? Pretty much play the same stuff as all of the guys and completely ignore the marketing (or in some cases get annoyed that we're still basically ignored).
again, you are assuming that I think the mechanism behind WHY the demographics are as they are is something other than marketing
my post literally contained the simple phrase that girls and boys generally play different games
Im not having the argument you both obviously want to have because I agree, if I was saying something like "girls don't like games" or other such nonsense, I would be wrong
****ing christ
Originally posted by inimalist
market demographics show overwhelmingly that, while both males and females play games, they play different types of games. SURPRISE! market demographics also show people of different ages, with different preferences, etc, plat different games.Then I said that violence is more of a selling factor for males, which is true not only of games, but of essentially all media
you took this to mean that I was proposing differences that were not due to marketing (though in some cases I don't think marketing is the most important factor).
I also didn't say gender was the most important determining factor, which your post also seems to assume I was.
And that wasn't mocking. Quite literally, you made a ridiculous comment based on something I didn't post.
Because I have numerous female friends that play the same kinds of games I do, and friends that have similar female friends, and so on. So either I know a bunch of freaks screwing with the metaphorical bell curve, or any studies you're alluding to aren't so concrete and conclusive.
That said, I did take off on a bit of a tangent. But it was fun.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Like I said, two of my boys are gamers so I know about the sub-culture.
Oh right, because parents usually become specialists and the ultimate authority on what their children like.
No, wait a minute, it's mostly the opposite.
Well either way you portrayed an immense lack of knowledge about games and gaming culture as it has been in the last years. I think it's quite fair to say that...you just don't "get" it.
As for the other discussion, I think we all agree that women atm play different kinds of games than men...whether that is due to society, marketing, human nature or what not, I, at least, don't know.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So "owning" some nerd in Warcraft is the same as going out on a Friday night?
"Owning" aside, what's the difference between 3-4 friends going out to a bar/club, hanging, interacting as compared to 3-4 friends playing a game together, hanging out, interacting?
The Internet combined with on-line games has brought people together on a level that would never happen during your average Friday night hangout. Considering most of the people you casually meet on a night out, you'd never call or make plans with after said meeting, there's no real difference. Also, there are people who meet on-line and form lasting relationships, I know of someone who met his girlfriend while on that "nerd game" Warcraft.
This is coming from someone who only occasionally plays (Xbox), not that I don't want to, just lack time.
The whole idea that gaming is ruining social interaction is the idea that kids are now having less face-to-face, play outside, play sports kind of fun.
I don't know if that is true or if it's not, but why does it matter? If they're having fun, they're having fun, at any age.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So "owning" some nerd in Warcraft is the same as going out on a Friday night?
I'd rather play Gears of War with people I like, from the comfort of a place I enjoy, than go out and piss money away on drinks I don't enjoy, in a place I'd rather not be in, with people I am only "tolerating".
So you see, social is subjective. Someone who has three friends and only plays Halo isn't any less social than you, he or she may be perfectly happy with the friends he or she has.
This myth that you need to go out drinking with lots of people to be "social" has always baffled me. Personally, I think people are shit and I do my best to avoid gathering with large numbers of them as much as humanly possible.
Besides, your interests involve cars, and you've made clear in no uncertain terms, that you feel this is a manly thing to do.
I personally stopped being impressed by things going "Vroom!" when I was...well, I was never impressed by it. You are, and that's why it works for you. Would you go to a car show and accuse all of them of being friendless, overly-enthusiastic car nerds? No, so why say it about gamers?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Like I said, two of my boys are gamers so I know about the sub-culture.
If I said "My cousin likes cars, so despite me not giving a shit, I know about the culture and also cars.", you'd be on me like metal to a magnet, telling me that unless I am a part of it, with an interest myself, I will not understand.
The same goes for you. I am my father's son, and I am a fan of comics, he knows I am. Yet, if you said to him "What do you know of comics culture?", he wouldn't say anything, because he is smart enough to know that you don't judge that way.
-AC
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Uh-huh. Do you have, say, evidence of these overwhelming results?Because I have numerous female friends that play the same kinds of games I do, and friends that have similar female friends, and so on. So either I know a bunch of freaks screwing with the metaphorical bell curve, or any studies you're alluding to aren't so concrete and conclusive.
That said, I did take off on a bit of a tangent. But it was fun.
one of the first finds after typing "male female game demographics"
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_/ai_n16141006
also, I listen to the IGN:TRL, 1up, and Joystiq podcasts, where this is talked about a lot, not as much as on Game Theory, but they haven't had a new episode in months.
Originally posted by inimalist
again, you are assuming that I think the mechanism behind WHY the demographics are as they are is something other than marketingmy post literally contained the simple phrase that girls and boys generally play different games
Im not having the argument you both obviously want to have because I agree, if I was saying something like "girls don't like games" or other such nonsense, I would be wrong
****ing christ
But the phrase 'girls and boys generally play different games' is a huge generalization that really isn't very true. There are some differences, yes. Especially among those who are new to gaming or only stick to one type of games - because there ARE certain types of games that are only marketed towards women who do not play games. And the problem is that "women who hardly play games" is the only female demographic that is marketed towards at all with video games. This thus skews ideas a lot about who likes what.
But by and large? Girls who play video games (who are actually gamers, not just someone who plays the Sims or Bejeweled or just picked up a Wii because they wanted Wii Fit) and guys who play video games will mostly play a lot of the same stuff. Gender isn't as relevant in this discussion as a lot of people try to make it out to be, except for the fact that girls make up a smaller percentage of gamers than guys do.
Originally posted by Peach
But the phrase 'girls and boys generally play different games' is a huge generalization that really isn't very true. There are some differences, yes. Especially among those who are new to gaming or only stick to one type of games - because there ARE certain types of games that are only marketed towards women who do not play games. And the problem is that "women who hardly play games" is the only female demographic that is marketed towards at all with video games. This thus skews ideas a lot about who likes what.But by and large? Girls who play video games (who are actually gamers, not just someone who plays the Sims or Bejeweled or just picked up a Wii because they wanted Wii Fit) and guys who play video games will mostly play a lot of the same stuff. Gender isn't as relevant in this discussion as a lot of people try to make it out to be, except for the fact that girls make up a smaller percentage of gamers than guys do.
you are now redefining the term (gamer girls vs just normal boys and girls) and nit picking word choice
I will take this as a concession of point and say thank you
Originally posted by Deja~vu
Okay I have a son that was addicted to these games and he lacked social skills because of it. Imagine that, me stealing him away, Ms social skills............
Your son has social problems then by nature. I play games religiously yet I have better "social skills" then my friends who play team sports daily. 😬