Originally posted by inimalist
you are now redefining the term (gamer girls vs just normal boys and girls) and nit picking word choiceI will take this as a concession of point and say thank you
I am not 'redefining' any terms (for the record I rather dislike the fact that girls are differentiated as gamers at all, my chest has nothing to do with holding a controller, thanks very much) at all. I'm simply trying to point out that there is a difference between people who play games - regardless of gender - and those who really don't at all - regardless of gender - and that marketing strategies focus on males for the former, and females for the latter.
Originally posted by Peach
I am not 'redefining' any terms (for the record I rather dislike the fact that girls are differentiated as gamers at all, my chest has nothing to do with holding a controller, thanks very much) at all. I'm simply trying to point out that there is a difference between people who play games - regardless of gender - and those who really don't at all - regardless of gender - and that marketing strategies focus on males for the former, and females for the latter.
ok, and I agree with you, but do you understand that this has no bearing on what I actually posted initially?
Originally posted by inimalist
one of the first finds after typing "male female game demographics"http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_/ai_n16141006
also, I listen to the IGN:TRL, 1up, and Joystiq podcasts, where this is talked about a lot, not as much as on Game Theory, but they haven't had a new episode in months.
Originally posted by inimalist
you are now redefining the term (gamer girls vs just normal boys and girls) and nit picking word choiceI will take this as a concession of point and say thank you
The fact you're looking for an out doesn't do much for your position, either.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
I find that most people who constantly play these games out of portion are more introverted...Or, maybe because of this they can become more introverted. Would be an interesting study.
To the whole social thing, I can only speak from experience, so here goes:
I've made no less than a dozen friends because of my interest in video games. Four of which are still my friends to this day. Met one in high school and we shared an interest in Goldeneye, and that sparked our friendship, had I not been a gamer I probably never would have spoken to him. Another three people in high school came over one day to play Mario Kart 64, and again, still friends to this day.
So no, if a kid has social problems it has shit to do with gaming and more likely bad parenting or some deeper problem that won't ever get noticed because everyone's wrongly and lazily blaming gaming.
Originally posted by inimalist
ok, and I agree with you, but do you understand that this has no bearing on what I actually posted initially?
If you just want to talk about demographics then yes, there are differences.
Demographics do not cover everyone, though 😛
Originally posted by Deja~vu
He'd sneak over his friends houses and play em 😠
So why not let him play them? They're not horrible things. Sure, they're not all for children, but that's where the parent comes in.
And hey, I'm an immensely shy, introverted person, and I have a number of great people I am very glad to have met and befriended that I'd have never done so if not for the fact that I like playing video games, so yeah.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
Who made you moderator? 🙄
Don't be stupid.
Originally posted by Peach
I am not 'redefining' any terms (for the record I rather dislike the fact that girls are differentiated as gamers at all, my chest has nothing to do with holding a controller, thanks very much) at all. I'm simply trying to point out that there is a difference between people who play games - regardless of gender - and those who really don't at all - regardless of gender - and that marketing strategies focus on males for the former, and females for the latter.
Well, becaus it is a valid group to discuss stuff about. If you define gamers as those that play a select group of games you see as "serious", then obviously everyone falling into that will be in that category, that's self defeating. When you look at generally women that play games and compare it to men, you'll see a difference. If you only look at "casual" gamers and people that play games but wouldn't be seen as gamers, you will likely also find that there is a difference between the gender...
I don't think inimalist in any way meant to imply that women can't play and enjoy the same games as men, he just meant there is an obvious difference in the statistics of what they play.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
He'd sneak over his friends houses and play em 😠
Do you realize you just defeated your own argument?
It actually sounds like your keeping him at home away from his friends because of your idiotic prejudice against video games caused social problems, as opposed to him going over to a friends house and playing games with him, thus having a social experience.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Thank you for that article. Because reading down, it says that women are playing the same games, which is exactly my point.
from the article:
Those who have been paying attention know that it's not that there are a paltry few female gamers, they're just playing different kinds of games. Instead of war-themed shooters or sports games, many women are following their gaming bliss in so-called "casual" games, which include card and puzzle games like the classic "Tetris."
For instance, Electronic Arts' casual game site Pogo.com draws 11 million unique users per month. Fifty-five percent of those are women. By my math -- which admittedly isn't too good -- that's a lot of women.
And that's just the free part of the site. On the subscription side, 75 percent of the more than 1 million subscribers are women over the age of 35.
In the gaming population as a whole, some 43 percent of those playing games are women, and women gamers over the age of 18 outnumber boys ages 6 to 17, according to the Entertainment Software Association.
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Other kinds of games have made some inroads into attracting female players. For instance, "The Sims" games can claim a significant female following. Outside the game, the obsession has led to communities of game fans, and many who host fan sites are women.
Massive multiplayer games, which bring thousands of people together for a simultaneous gaming experience, inspire the same dedication in both genders. According to research being conducted by Stanford doctoral student Nick Yee's The Daedalus Project, while just 16 percent of "World of Warcraft" players are female, they play just as much as their male counterparts -- an average of 22.7 hours per week.
maybe you should post which parts confirm your hypothesis?
Originally posted by General Kaliero
The fact you're looking for an out doesn't do much for your position, either.
an out for what? I'm not even making the argument you want to argue against