Originally posted by K1ll3r
Well, I for one am just clearing up the fact that Illidan didn't recieve any Warlock abilities or spells.So does that *every* mean you think he got some?
Yeah, he received some. Soul draining, immolating people, using demonic form(a sign of a powerful warlock). I thought that should be pretty obvious.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
It was turned into a demonic totem, then used, demonic energy was channeled 'through' it, he consumed the energies being channeled through it. Show me proof that Gul'Dans power is in the skull, spirit != power, the spirit can communicate with the bearer of the skull, and that is all.So Illidan consumes the energy going through it?
So a fat guy is more durable then a normal sized guy?
Show Illidan resisting any kind of Illusion. It clearly isn't in his skill set.
Using that logic, Illidan cannot kill anyone, it isn't within his power set.
Because, several of them say things like: My body! I can't control my body!. My tail feels like its about to rip off!
They are flailing about because Sephiroth is making them flail about for his own amusement.
No it was used as a demonic totem, theres no mention of demonic energy being in it at the time, furthermore the only power that could be in it, is Guldans, alongside his spirit also confirmed to be inside. All of which Illidan consumed.
A fat guy probably is more durable than a normal guy, but thats besides the point, Illidan is not fat....
Show illidan resisting illusion? I dont need to, Sephiroths illusions are so pathetic even I could work them out....why would Illidan who is millions times my intellect not be able to?
wtf...cant kill anyone? thats not going by any logic....none at all...
So? their not controlling their bodies, thats the fact of it, their bodies are floating in the air, although their arms and legs are flailing about all over the place
thats a guess....
Originally posted by Burning thought
No it was used as a demonic totem, theres no mention of demonic energy being in it at the time, furthermore the only power that could be in it, is Guldans, alongside his spirit also confirmed to be inside. All of which Illidan consumed.
There is also no mention of Gul'Dans power being in it at the time. The only plausible reason as to why he turned half demon is because of the DEMONIC ENERGY not Gul'Dans power.
Originally posted by Burning thought
A fat guy probably is more durable than a normal guy, but thats besides the point, Illidan is not fat....
Bull. Stab a fat guy in the face, stab a normal guy in the face.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Show illidan resisting illusion? I dont need to, Sephiroths illusions are so pathetic even I could work them out....why would Illidan who is millions times my intellect not be able to?
Show me evidence of you resisting Sephiroths illusion. No look, unless you can prove Illidan can resist Sephiroths illusions then he can't.
Originally posted by Burning thought
wtf...cant kill anyone? thats not going by any logic....none at all...
Going by your logic, we can't put 2 + 2 together, we can only have 2 and 2, not 4. Therefore, you have no evidence of Illidan killing anyone so he can't. (Which is obviously wrong, ergo your logic is wrong)
Originally posted by Burning thought
So? their not controlling their bodies, thats the fact of it, their bodies are floating in the air, [b]although their arms and legs are flailing about all over the place[/B]
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+human+body&meta=&aq=f&oq=
The human body is the entire physical and mental structure of a human organism.
Anatomical specimens, Face, Feet, Hands, Legs, Skin, etc.
Originally posted by Burning thought
thats a guess....
So is the power of Gul'dan is in his skull.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Yeah, he received some. Soul draining, immolating people, using demonic form(a sign of a powerful warlock). I thought that should be pretty obvious.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
There is also no mention of Gul'Dans power being in it at the time. The only plausible reason as to why he turned half demon is because of the DEMONIC ENERGY not Gul'Dans power.Bull. Stab a fat guy in the face, stab a normal guy in the face.
Show me evidence of you resisting Sephiroths illusion. No look, unless you can prove Illidan can resist Sephiroths illusions then he can't.
Going by your logic, we can't put 2 + 2 together, we can only have 2 and 2, not 4. Therefore, you have no evidence of Illidan killing anyone so he can't. (Which is obviously wrong, ergo your logic is wrong)
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+human+body&meta=&aq=f&oq=
The human body is the entire physical and mental structure of a human organism.
Anatomical specimens, Face, Feet, Hands, Legs, Skin, etc.
So is the power of Gul'dan is in his skull.
Fair enough.
Because thats a given, the only power to ever be in that skull would be Guldans, because its Guldans skull, thats why its used as a Demonic totem.
Although punch a fat guy and he will be less likely ot be harmed than a normal guy although this is a stupid argument, Illidan is neither fat, nor normal, he is a massively built guy half demon.
The only aspect illusions effect is the mind and the beings intelligence, youve yet to show a good illusion that would fool Illidan, fact...
Thats not my logic, try again to understand what I said.
Well obviously Sephiroth is lifting it all at once....because he would have to, that does not mean he is moving each arm/leg etc by himself...
Not really no
Originally posted by Burning thought
Because thats a given, the only power to ever be in that skull would be Guldans, because its Guldans skull, thats why its used as a Demonic totem.Although punch a fat guy and he will be less likely ot be harmed than a normal guy although this is a stupid argument, Illidan is neither fat, nor normal, he is a massively built guy half demon.
The only aspect illusions effect is the mind and the beings intelligence, youve yet to show a good illusion that would fool Illidan, fact...
Thats not my logic, try again to understand what I said.
Well obviously Sephiroth is lifting it all at once....because he would have to, that does not mean he is moving each arm/leg etc by himself...
Not really no
Nowhere does anything say Gul'Dans power is in the skull.
No. Have you ever been in a fight? He can still be stabbed and he hasn't shown any real feats of durability (for his bones etc).
Yes, that is what your logic is like, he is shown to teleport 3 other people against thier will, yet you say: "He can only teleport 3 other people and never himself". Which doesn't make much sense.
What the hell, even when Cloud and co realised it was an illusion they couldn't just walk where they wanted, they still saw the illusion and couldn't get out of it until Sephiroth wanted them out of it. Illidan would be fooled by any illusion Sephiroth done, why would he suspect anything he sees as an illusion? Oh thats right, he wouldn't.
Well if he isn't moving them, who is?
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Nowhere does anything say Gul'Dans power is in the skull.No. Have you ever been in a fight? He can still be stabbed and he hasn't shown any real feats of durability (for his bones etc).
Yes, that is what your logic is like, he is shown to teleport 3 other people against thier will, yet you say: "He can only teleport 3 other people and never himself". Which doesn't make much sense.
What the hell, even when Cloud and co realised it was an illusion they couldn't just walk where they wanted, they still saw the illusion and couldn't get out of it until Sephiroth wanted them out of it. Illidan would be fooled by any illusion Sephiroth done, why would he suspect anything he sees as an illusion? Oh thats right, he wouldn't.
Well if he isn't moving them, who is?
The nature of the power of the Skull is more or less irrelevant. Although I think Gul'dan's skull being chosen by demons wasn't an accident. Being the skull of the most powerful mortal warlock to ever live and all that.
Yea, but they realised it was "a dream or an illusion". I think Illidan would know something is amiss when Sephiroth would suddenly turn into Kil'jaeden. On the other hand, Illidan wasn't exactly mentally sound during his last years... he might just attack Kil'jaeden.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
The nature of the power of the Skull is more or less irrelevant. Although I think Gul'dan's skull being chosen by demons wasn't an accident. Being the skull of the most powerful mortal warlock to ever live and all that.Yea, but they realised it was "a dream or an illusion". I think Illidan would know something is amiss when Sephiroth would suddenly turn into Kil'jaeden. On the other hand, Illidan wasn't exactly mentally sound during his last years... he might just attack Kil'jaeden.
Okay.
First: If you walked into your toilet, except you walked into a town 30 miles away wouldn't you think something is amiss?
Second: Sephiroth wasn't trying to decieve them, he was trying to show Cloud something. However it does show he is capable of producing a realistic illusion.
Why would he have to 'suddenly' turn into Kil'Jaeden, he could have Kil'Jaeden come from behind Illidan and fade himself out (an illusion that Sephiroth isn't even there). Then while Illidan fights \ reasons with no-one, Sephiroth stabs him in the back of the head.
Your assuming first that Illidan would be fooled again, also where did Sephiroth make an illusion where he was not there? all the illusions I have seen have him there in some form, e.g. Tifa in the second one and Sephiroth himself in the other. Also even if Illidan had taken a huge hit to the head and for some reason became simple minded enough to be fooled by Sephiroths feeble illusions then you would have to prove Sephiroth can make Illidan belive he is hitting physical objects otherwise if he is fighting or moving through the illusion and he slips through one of the images, he would know their fake.
Sephiroth was never in any Illusion. He may have been apart of the illusion but was never physically there.
No, you are in denial here, Illidan has never been shown to break through any illusions. Why are you calling his illusions feeble? He recreated an entire town that was on fire! Also, they couldn't get out of the illusion even though they knew it was one.
YOU would have to prove Illidan wouldn't be fooled.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I think Illidan would know something is amiss when Sephiroth would suddenly turn into Kil'jaeden
How powerful an illusion are we talking here?
Kil'Jaeden is the size of a mountain, in flames and with a voice that echo valleys. Also every character in Warcraft emit a certain degree of power as an aura, readable by other magicians. Few magicians on Azeroth read said auras as well as Illidan, thanks to Sargeras. Unless Sephiroth somehow succeed in increasing his own power in the illusion so much that he equal that of Kil'Jaeden, Illidan will be able to tell right away.
I agree with you. I don't see Illidan capable of being tricked with illusions. At least not from amateur hour.
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
How powerful an illusion are we talking here?Kil'Jaeden is the size of a mountain, in flames and with a voice that echo valleys. Also every character in Warcraft emit a certain degree of power as an aura, readable by other magicians. Few magicians on Azeroth read said auras as well as Illidan, thanks to Sargeras. Unless Sephiroth somehow succeed in increasing his own power in the illusion so much that he equal that of Kil'Jaeden, Illidan will be able to tell right away.
I agree with you. I don't see Illidan capable of being tricked with illusions. At least not from amateur hour.
Bah, he uses the image of Kil'Jaeden in Illidans head to create the illusion of Kil'Jaeden appearing, Geez. Anything that Illidan remembers or knows of Kil'Jaeden would be there.
Sephiroth is incredibly powerful right off the bat anyway, he soaked in an incredibly huge mako crystal not to mention he was in the lifestream absorbing the knowledge of the ancients (Apart of the source of magic in FF VII).
You guys are missing the point, Sephiroth could create an Illusion of literally anything, tricking Illidan long enough to slice him into 10 pieces.
Not to mention Sephiroth has better reflexes and speed with his weapons then Illidan does.
1. Illidan warded Sargeras out of his head. Simple illusions, outside or inside his head is so beneath Illidan. Illidan is also far from stupid, and it should be included that he has gone in defiance towards Kil'Jaeden more than once. Bring in illusions on Krasus level and we can talk. Until then, Sephiroth will have to think of another plan.
2. Irrelevant facts, save for the incredibly powerful part, which can be said about Illidan as well.
3. What illusion is not created out of literally anything? What illusion is created out of anything anyway? In warcraft, nothing is required other than the hands of the magcian.
4. You know this how?
1. What? When? Illidan has run from Kil'Jaeden and that is all, he is hell scared of him. What Illusions has Krasus done?
2. This shows how little you know, soaking in a Mako crystal will increase everything about you, especially your magical capabilities. Plus having the knowledge of the ancients makes it so Sephiroth no longer needs materia to get the effects.
3. What? I mean anything, he could do any Illusion, what would stop Illidan from believing an Illusion where his adversary stabs himself in the face killing himself.
4. Well, Sephiroth is able to deflect bullets with his sword and strike 4-5 times in several different directions in a second, can Illidan match that?