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Intangibility - FFVII.
Teleportation - FFVII.
Massive Speeds - FFVII AC.
Supernova - Illusion of a sun exploding. FFVII.
Massive Strength - FFVII: CC/FFVII/FFVII:AC.
Heartless Angel - FFVII.
Incredible Skill with a Sword - FFVII: CC/FFVII/FFVII:AC.
Effortlessly Deflects bullets - FFVII: AC/FFVII: CC.
Regeneration - FFVII: CC/FFVII/FFVII:AC.
Psychokinesis - FFVII
Telekinesis - FFVII/FFVII:AC.
Note: The actual known speed and strength of Sephiroth is unknown, as during the fight with cloud it is said in the Ultimania Omega that he was holding back and not trying.
Speed
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Sephiroths speed is immense(Full speed is unknown) along with his agility in combat.
Sephiroth can also teleport himself.
Strength
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I think it is pretty obvious Sephiroths strength is underrated a lot of the time, he EFFORTLESSLY cuts through 2 metre thick metal , he cuts entirely through them. The logistics of strength required to accomplish this is immense and he does it EFFORTLESSLY. The strength behind his swings is enough to cause a force that could cut through anything in its path (or at least 2 metre thick metal x 2).
Sephiroth's Sword - Masamune
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A lot of people who pitch Sephiroth against someone will say that Sephiroths sword would break on their skin, this is incorrect as his Sword is there by his Will. Pre-Nibelheim Sephiroth was able to cut through things just from the force of swinging his sword (he could be miles away from something and still cut it). In Advent Children you can see him create his sword, meaning it isn't just sharp metal it is an extension of his will.
Durability
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Sephiroth has survived massive direct Fire attacks and has come out of them with no damage done to him. Sephiroth has survived crash landing from space at the place now known as the northen crater\caves. Physical attacks on Sephiroth are near useless as the Jenova cells within him will unite when split apart, this means even when sliced through down the middle of his head, the cells will reunite. Sephiroth can turn himself Intangible so that nothing physically can hurt him. The remnants of Sephiroth are able to withstand huge explosive damage, as seen in AC.
Magical capabilities
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Sephiroth has access to everyones knowledge who has died, including the Ancients knowledge. (because of the lifestream) the Ancients created Materia and were the first ones to use it meaning Sephiroth has knowledge of all spells in FF VII. Sephiroth has shown instant cast capabilities in his Supernova and Heartless Angel spells. Using only one ability practically wiped out an entire race who created materia. Aside from the knowledge of all those dead before him he has the Negative Lifesteam. Held back Holy THE ultimate white magic. Sephiroth also wields Telekinetic powers the actual strength of this is unknown but with ease he pulled out the top of a building.
@Burning Thought
You have such a double standard when it comes to sources. So I will be the same, Illidan has never shown using any more then a handful of spells SHOW me where he uses any spells or anywhere it is STATED he can use them. Even something that says a sorceror is a Warlock and Mage put together. Prove that Illidan can do any of the things you have said just like you ask me to do.
No matter what I type you won't listen to reason.
Bibliography
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FFVII: Ultimania Omega
FFVII: Advent Children
FFVII: Crisis Core
FFVII: Advent Children FAQ with FF:VII Plot Analysis
Contrary to what you say these are sources and I have linked to them many times, it is up to you to read and\or disprove what I say. I took exact quotes from some of these
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Now with all this Sephiroth could easily slice through Illidan. Even if Illidan flew away at 20+ miles a second he could cast Heartless Angel then Supernova effectively destroying Illidan. Illidan could try slicing him but Illidan is nowhere near as good as Sephiroth in melee combat.
Anything that Illidan has cast hasn't seemed as damaging as lots of things Sephiroth has survived. Sephiroth is Pre-Nib Sephiroth + Jenova. This is stated in the Ultimania Omega.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
dSephiroth
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Intangibility - FFVII.
Teleportation - FFVII.
Massive Speeds - FFVII AC.
Supernova - Illusion of a sun exploding. FFVII.
Massive Strength - FFVII: CC/FFVII/FFVII:AC.
Heartless Angel - FFVII.
Incredible Skill with a Sword - FFVII: CC/FFVII/FFVII:AC.
Effortlessly Deflects bullets - FFVII: AC/FFVII: CC.
Regeneration - FFVII: CC/FFVII/FFVII:AC.
Psychokinesis - FFVII
Telekinesis - FFVII/FFVII:AC.Note: The actual known speed and strength of Sephiroth is unknown, as during the fight with cloud it is said in the Ultimania Omega that he was holding back and not trying.
Speed
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Sephiroths speed is immense(Full speed is unknown) along with his agility in combat.Sephiroth can also teleport himself.
Strength
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I think it is pretty obvious Sephiroths strength is underrated a lot of the time, he EFFORTLESSLY cuts through 2 metre thick metal , he cuts entirely through them. The logistics of strength required to accomplish this is immense and he does it EFFORTLESSLY. The strength behind his swings is enough to cause a force that could cut through anything in its path (or at least 2 metre thick metal x 2).Sephiroth's Sword - Masamune
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A lot of people who pitch Sephiroth against someone will say that Sephiroths sword would break on their skin, this is incorrect as his Sword is there by his Will. Pre-Nibelheim Sephiroth was able to cut through things just from the force of swinging his sword (he could be miles away from something and still cut it). In Advent Children you can see him create his sword, meaning it isn't just sharp metal it is an extension of his will.Durability
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Sephiroth has survived massive direct Fire attacks and has come out of them with no damage done to him. Sephiroth has survived crash landing from space at the place now known as the northen crater\caves. Physical attacks on Sephiroth are near useless as the Jenova cells within him will unite when split apart, this means even when sliced through down the middle of his head, the cells will reunite. Sephiroth can turn himself Intangible so that nothing physically can hurt him. The remnants of Sephiroth are able to withstand huge explosive damage, as seen in AC.Magical capabilities
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Sephiroth has access to everyones knowledge who has died, including the Ancients knowledge. (because of the lifestream) the Ancients created Materia and were the first ones to use it meaning Sephiroth has knowledge of all spells in FF VII. Sephiroth has shown instant cast capabilities in his Supernova and Heartless Angel spells. Using only one ability practically wiped out an entire race who created materia. Aside from the knowledge of all those dead before him he has the Negative Lifesteam. Held back Holy THE ultimate white magic. Sephiroth also wields Telekinetic powers the actual strength of this is unknown but with ease he pulled out the top of a building.@Burning Thought
You have such a double standard when it comes to sources. So I will be the same, Illidan has never shown using any more then a handful of spells SHOW me where he uses any spells or anywhere it is STATED he can use them. Even something that says a sorceror is a Warlock and Mage put together. Prove that Illidan can do any of the things you have said just like you ask me to do.No matter what I type you won't listen to reason.
Bibliography
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FFVII: Ultimania Omega
FFVII: Advent Children
FFVII: Crisis Core
FFVII: Advent Children FAQ with FF:VII Plot Analysis
Contrary to what you say these are sources and I have linked to them many times, it is up to you to read and\or disprove what I say. I took exact quotes from some of these
------------------------Now with all this Sephiroth could easily slice through Illidan. Even if Illidan flew away at 20+ miles a second he could cast Heartless Angel then Supernova effectively destroying Illidan. Illidan could try slicing him but Illidan is nowhere near as good as Sephiroth in melee combat.
Anything that Illidan has cast hasn't seemed as damaging as lots of things Sephiroth has survived. Sephiroth is Pre-Nib Sephiroth + Jenova. This is stated in the Ultimania Omega.
Most of those powers can be ignored as something Illidan could easily bypass with a far quicker power of his own. heartless angel and Supernova are simply gameplay spells, especially heartless angel, both have very small grounds in any debate. Not that he could cast any of them, both are slower than Illidans spells.
note: then we cant assume anything and will have to take his highest feats in each area, which are below Illidan. (except maybe strength but ive not read the books)
Cutting through things can also be all down to the sharpness and power of his lifestream formed sword. Not his strength at all. Furthermore you would have to prove its strength and not a power that allows him to cause those blade beam things.
The only time I remember the remnants getting his by "huge" explosive damage is when they were pretty much dieing/dead at the end. When has Sephiroth himself actually taken any powerful hits?
having access to knowledge is not the same as being able to cast those spells themselves and no, heartless angel, the 100% gameplay spell is pretty much unusable in a debate but whats more its not instant cast, neither is Supernova.
Ive no double standard at all, can you point this out? ive shown you already Illidans spell mastery, he has all the power of the greatest warlock known=all warlock powers and was a master sorceror even in the eyes of the Elves=all mage spells, arcane, frost, fire elemnts etc.
His shadowmoon valley powers in the game would be enough to destroy sephiroth:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Illidan_Stormrage_%28tactics%29
he has there Soul devouring powers, fire, demon energy, summons etc and being within 15 yards of him will cause increasingly powerful shadow damage.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Most of those powers can be ignored as something Illidan could easily bypass with a far quicker power of his own. heartless angel and Supernova are simply gameplay spells, especially heartless angel, both have very small grounds in any debate. Not that he could cast any of them, both are slower than Illidans spells.note: then we cant assume anything and will have to take his highest feats in each area, which are below Illidan. (except maybe strength but ive not read the books)
Cutting through things can also be all down to the sharpness and power of his lifestream formed sword. Not his strength at all. Furthermore you would have to prove its strength and not a power that allows him to cause those blade beam things.
The only time I remember the remnants getting his by "huge" explosive damage is when they were pretty much dieing/dead at the end. When has Sephiroth himself actually taken any powerful hits?
having access to knowledge is not the same as being able to cast those spells themselves and no, heartless angel, the 100% gameplay spell is pretty much unusable in a debate but whats more its not instant cast, neither is Supernova.
Ive no double standard at all, can you point this out? ive shown you already Illidans spell mastery, he has all the power of the greatest warlock known=all warlock powers and was a master sorceror even in the eyes of the Elves=all mage spells, arcane, frost, fire elemnts etc.
His shadowmoon valley powers in the game would be enough to destroy sephiroth:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Illidan_Stormrage_%28tactics%29
he has there Soul devouring powers, fire, demon energy, summons etc and being within 15 yards of him will cause increasingly powerful shadow damage.
How could he bypass it with a quicker spell? What spell? Sephiroth could have sliced off his head before he could cast some spells and could easily take all of his spells. Whoa an aura that wouldn't phase Sephiroth and where Sephiroth would just kill him when he was that close (almost). Sephiroth can take a lot of the most powerful magic in FF VII. It hasn't come down to feats, you have yet to show me anything that Illidan could do to forestall a slice in the head brought on instantly from a teleport and a slice, watch fight with cloud in AC and you see him slice entire buildings quicker then you could see, it isn't cut in half then it is sliced in half no in between it is just super quick.
He casts Supernova instantly.
He casts Heartless Angel instantly. Do not argue against me with this there is no casting it just goes.
Why would *I* have to prove that it is Strength and not Power? Niether of us can prove either one but if you want to say it is power then fine Sephiroth just slices through Illidans head with his Will. Look at him hold againts Cloud slamming into him in the first part of the fight he stands erect and doesn't have any damage but the force from Cloud landing on his sword(when it hasn't formed yet) has made him bend the metal beneath him and he wasn't hurt by it at all, it didn't affect his posture and he flung Cloud a few miles into the air several times.
It is in the game, he can do it. He has shown he can do it so he can.
Illidan cannot hit Intangible targets. (Maybe with spells although they would go straight through Sephiroth)
Remnants of Sephiroth are a larvae form of Sephiroth and are Weaker.
They were dieing from the Aeris's spell (THE RAIN).
In Crisis Core he survives a huge explosion from Genesis.
He consumed a skull getting his knowledge, according to you knowledge isn't the same as being able to do a spell. On the page you linked I see he only has Shadow and Fire spells, possibly because of the corruption into a more Demonic form?
Quote from your Wiki source on the skull of gul'dan:
The Skull of Gul'dan (written as "skull of Gul'dan" in lore) was a powerful demonic artifact created from the skull of the orc sorcerer Gul'dan. Used for a plethora of demonic activity, from opening portals to corrupting the forests of Ashenvale, its powers were finally consumed by Illidan Stormrage. Although already consumed by Illidan, the skull still holds power and is in Illidan's possession.
This doesn't say anything about knowledge, says nothing about a Warlock(Except it was a skull of a Warlock) or someone who consumes it gains all abilities of a Warlock just that they can Corrupt forests and make portals. Again he is no longer an Elf he is like an advanced Satyr with demonic powers.
Stop argueing against me with no evidence. Sephiroth can use Heartless Angel and Supernova as he has used it.
fair enough.
LOLGAMEPLAY. Like seriously can I pull that out on you?
Seriously though Illidan could run up to Sephiroth and he would be dead.
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Okay new tactic, Sephiroth reads Illidans mind and then makes Illidan think that he is Kil'Jaeden and makes Illidan do his bidding. (This was the same kind of tactic used against the Anceints except it just made them think it was a friend of theirs then infected them.) When he is doing his bidding he slices his head off.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
How could he bypass it with a quicker spell? What spell? Sephiroth could have sliced off his head before he could cast some spells and could easily take all of his spells. Whoa an aura that wouldn't phase Sephiroth and where Sephiroth would just kill him when he was that close (almost). Sephiroth can take a lot of the most powerful magic in FF VII. It hasn't come down to feats, you have yet to show me anything that Illidan could do to forestall a slice in the head brought on instantly from a teleport and a slice, watch fight with cloud in AC and you see him slice entire buildings quicker then you could see, it isn't cut in half then it is sliced in half no in between it is just super quick.He casts Supernova instantly.
He casts Heartless Angel instantly. Do not argue against me with this there is no casting it just goes.Why would *I* have to prove that it is Strength and not Power? Niether of us can prove either one but if you want to say it is power then fine Sephiroth just slices through Illidans head with his Will. Look at him hold againts Cloud slamming into him in the first part of the fight he stands erect and doesn't have any damage but the force from Cloud landing on his sword(when it hasn't formed yet) has made him bend the metal beneath him and he wasn't hurt by it at all, it didn't affect his posture and he flung Cloud a few miles into the air several times.
It is in the game, he can do it. He has shown he can do it so he can.
Illidan cannot hit Intangible targets. (Maybe with spells although they would go straight through Sephiroth)
Remnants of Sephiroth are a larvae form of Sephiroth and are Weaker.
They were dieing from the Aeris's spell (THE RAIN).
In Crisis Core he survives a huge explosion from Genesis.He consumed a skull getting his knowledge, according to you knowledge isn't the same as being able to do a spell. On the page you linked I see he only has Shadow and Fire spells, possibly because of the corruption into a more Demonic form?
Quote from your Wiki source on the skull of gul'dan:
The Skull of Gul'dan (written as "skull of Gul'dan" in lore) was a powerful demonic artifact created from the skull of the orc sorcerer Gul'dan. Used for a plethora of demonic activity, from opening portals to corrupting the forests of Ashenvale, its powers were finally consumed by Illidan Stormrage. Although already consumed by Illidan, the skull still holds power and is in Illidan's possession.This doesn't say anything about knowledge, says nothing about a Warlock(Except it was a skull of a Warlock) or someone who consumes it gains all abilities of a Warlock just that they can Corrupt forests and make portals. Again he is no longer an Elf he is like an advanced Satyr with demonic powers.
Stop argueing against me with no evidence. Sephiroth can use Heartless Angel and Supernova as he has used it.
fair enough.
LOLGAMEPLAY. Like seriously can I pull that out on you?
Seriously though Illidan could run up to Sephiroth and he would be dead.
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Okay new tactic, Sephiroth reads Illidans mind and then makes Illidan think that he is Kil'Jaeden and makes Illidan do his bidding. (This was the same kind of tactic used against the Anceints except it just made them think it was a friend of theirs then infected them.) When he is doing his bidding he slices his head off.
Wrong.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
How could he bypass it with a quicker spell? What spell? Sephiroth could have sliced off his head before he could cast some spells and could easily take all of his spells. Whoa an aura that wouldn't phase Sephiroth and where Sephiroth would just kill him when he was that close (almost). Sephiroth can take a lot of the most powerful magic in FF VII. It hasn't come down to feats, you have yet to show me anything that Illidan could do to forestall a slice in the head brought on instantly from a teleport and a slice, watch fight with cloud in AC and you see him slice entire buildings quicker then you could see, it isn't cut in half then it is sliced in half no in between it is just super quick.He casts Supernova instantly.
He casts Heartless Angel instantly. Do not argue against me with this there is no casting it just goes.Why would *I* have to prove that it is Strength and not Power? Niether of us can prove either one but if you want to say it is power then fine Sephiroth just slices through Illidans head with his Will. Look at him hold againts Cloud slamming into him in the first part of the fight he stands erect and doesn't have any damage but the force from Cloud landing on his sword(when it hasn't formed yet) has made him bend the metal beneath him and he wasn't hurt by it at all, it didn't affect his posture and he flung Cloud a few miles into the air several times.
It is in the game, he can do it. He has shown he can do it so he can.
Illidan cannot hit Intangible targets. (Maybe with spells although they would go straight through Sephiroth)
Remnants of Sephiroth are a larvae form of Sephiroth and are Weaker.
They were dieing from the Aeris's spell (THE RAIN).
In Crisis Core he survives a huge explosion from Genesis.He consumed a skull getting his knowledge, according to you knowledge isn't the same as being able to do a spell. On the page you linked I see he only has Shadow and Fire spells, possibly because of the corruption into a more Demonic form?
Quote from your Wiki source on the skull of gul'dan:
The Skull of Gul'dan (written as "skull of Gul'dan" in lore) was a powerful demonic artifact created from the skull of the orc sorcerer Gul'dan. Used for a plethora of demonic activity, from opening portals to corrupting the forests of Ashenvale, its powers were finally consumed by Illidan Stormrage. Although already consumed by Illidan, the skull still holds power and is in Illidan's possession.This doesn't say anything about knowledge, says nothing about a Warlock(Except it was a skull of a Warlock) or someone who consumes it gains all abilities of a Warlock just that they can Corrupt forests and make portals. Again he is no longer an Elf he is like an advanced Satyr with demonic powers.
Stop argueing against me with no evidence. Sephiroth can use Heartless Angel and Supernova as he has used it.
fair enough.
LOLGAMEPLAY. Like seriously can I pull that out on you?
Seriously though Illidan could run up to Sephiroth and he would be dead.
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Okay new tactic, Sephiroth reads Illidans mind and then makes Illidan think that he is Kil'Jaeden and makes Illidan do his bidding. (This was the same kind of tactic used against the Anceints except it just made them think it was a friend of theirs then infected them.) When he is doing his bidding he slices his head off.
No he couldnt have, not even close, apart from the fact he is much faster than Sephiroth by feats, Illidans spells unlike Sephiroths are mostly instant, he could use a simple spell block or an eye beam.
Wouldnt phase? show me Sephiroths durability feats
I disagree, ive had this debate before and when the fanboy posts the video of each respective move I cna usually count a few seconds before its activated but as i said, both are featless gameplay powers with zero out of gameplay mechanic.
You would have to prove its strength because its your statement. Not ot mention slicing with swords is still a sword sharpness feat, not strength.
Whats in the game?
Illidan has hundreds of spells and can take souls, instangbility or not, also the only time ive seen Sephiroth go intangible is when he moves extremely slowly through the floor.
You would have to prove each one has less durability by Sephiroths own feats, and thats not what ive read, ive read the remnants are exactley as their name implies, poritions of Sephiroth, one of which (Kadaj? or?) are his strength.
Show me the crisis core explosion
You just stated the quote, saying he gained the power from the Skull of one of the most powerful warlocks. Thats all the evidence I need....
Ive posted several pieces of evidence and youve even quoted a piece of it, stop using inconclusive FAQs made by people who dont have any idea, and youve shown very little evidence as it is, you just stated about 20 things in this post alone without evidence, all ime doing is highlighting this and using evidence ive already shown.
gameplay abilities are usuable, and I 😆 at you for being so so shortsighted, Sephiroth has never had Supernova outside gameplay events and I dont think he has even had heartless angel so dont even go there....you just lost a lot of credability.
No Illidan wouldnt run, he would fly from the sky at hundreds and hundreds of mph before Sephiroth could od anything and end up a smear on the ground from the force.
First, that wouldnt work because Illidan can see magic, Sephiroth has none the way Warcraft sees it and Kiljaeden overflows with magic, furthermore you would have to prove Sephiroth could actually make such a good deception form of Kiljaeden, considering hes tiny and not half as overbearing as the demon lord.
1. Illidan received a great boost in powers from consuming the Skull of Gul'Dan, not just ability to make portals and corrupt forests. Have you played Warcraft 3?
2. Warcraft spells have a greater effect against intangible targets. Since Sephiroth is greatly slowed down when using intangibility, it would be a lose-lose move for Sephiroth.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No he couldnt have, not even close, apart from the fact he is much faster than Sephiroth by feats, Illidans spells unlike Sephiroths are mostly instant, he could use a simple spell block or an eye beam.Wouldnt phase? show me Sephiroths durability [b]feats
I disagree, ive had this debate before and when the fanboy posts the video of each respective move I cna usually count a few seconds before its activated but as i said, both are featless gameplay powers with zero out of gameplay mechanic.
You would have to prove its strength because its your statement. Not ot mention slicing with swords is still a sword sharpness feat, not strength.
Whats in the game?
Illidan has hundreds of spells and can take souls, instangbility or not, also the only time ive seen Sephiroth go intangible is when he moves extremely slowly through the floor.
You would have to prove each one has less durability by Sephiroths own feats, and thats not what ive read, ive read the remnants are exactley as their name implies, poritions of Sephiroth, one of which (Kadaj? or?) are his strength.Show me the crisis core explosion
You just stated the quote, saying he gained the power from the Skull of one of the most powerful warlocks. Thats all the evidence I need....
Ive posted several pieces of evidence and youve even quoted a piece of it, stop using inconclusive FAQs made by people who dont have any idea, and youve shown very little evidence as it is, you just stated about 20 things in this post alone without evidence, all ime doing is highlighting this and using evidence ive already shown.
gameplay abilities are usuable, and I 😆 at you for being so so shortsighted, Sephiroth has never had Supernova outside gameplay events and I dont think he has even had heartless angel so dont even go there....you just lost a lot of credability.
No Illidan wouldnt run, he would fly from the sky at hundreds and hundreds of mph before Sephiroth could od anything and end up a smear on the ground from the force.
First, that wouldnt work because Illidan can see magic, Sephiroth has none the way Warcraft sees it and Kiljaeden overflows with magic, furthermore you would have to prove Sephiroth could actually make such a good deception form of Kiljaeden, considering hes tiny and not half as overbearing as the demon lord. [/B]
Illidan is faster then teleportation now? No he isn't. Yes Sephiroth could easily react to the speed at which Illidan could fly. why? before he gained the Neg lifestream and before he quit SOLDIER he was referred to as the BEST FIRST CLASS SOLDIER, now First Class SOLDIER was the best of SOLDIER and only the Best of ShinRa would get into SOLDIER. SOLDIERs below Sephiroth could deflect bullets going 1.5 Miles per second with ease. This is shown because A) Zack is slower then Sephiroth and deflects bullets with ease. B) Cloud is slower then Sephiroth and deflects bullets with ease. Zack going hardout on Sephiroth and Sephiroth was easily blocking his sword and overpowering him same as he was with Cloud. These two are seen deflecting multiple bullets while also fighting off someone, do you even understand what is required to be able to do that? AND Sephiroth EASILY overpowers them.
Show me Illidans durability feats.
Sephiroths durability feats I have already stated:
He has crashed into a planet from space and survived. (didn't only survive this he then went on and nearly wiped out an entire civilisation who were also master spellcasters...). Pre-Nib Sephiroth survives massive explosions and he doesn't only survive them he goes through them unphased (no damage at all). He stands in fire without it phasing him at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZaSipHuO4
Advent Children will show you the rest.
What the hell are you talking about? Ofcourse they have outside of gameplay mechanic :
Heartless Angel: Target will be near death.
Supernova: Makes the target believe that thier sun is exploding so much that they believe themselves burning up as the sun explodes.
Yeah, they are portions of Sephiroth and so they are weaker then him how hard is that to understand?
So you are saying it takes no strength to slice through a building if your sword is super sharp?
Those FAQs are english translations of Official books so you don't have to learn Japanese and buy the books yourself, do you want me to quote Japanese books for you?
Oh my god: After the insidious warlock Gul'dan died, his skull was turned into a channeling totem for demonic energy Additionally, it is implied several times that the Skull has corrupting properties on its wielder as the voice of Gul'dan slowly tempts him over time. Illidan Stormrage who, upon absorbing its power, became half night elf and half demon. WHAT does this skull have to do with his knowing of every mage spell and every warlock spell?
YOU have posted TWO sources one a trailer and one a wowwiki link plus games. I have posted links to TWO translations of Official Japanese books on FF: VII and have used the games.
I wanted to point out what you said again:
First, that wouldnt work because Illidan can see magic, Sephiroth has none the way Warcraft sees it and Kiljaeden overflows with magic, furthermore you would have to prove Sephiroth could actually make such a good deception form of Kiljaeden, considering hes tiny and not half as overbearing as the demon lord.
Sephiroth would make Illidans MIND see Kil'Jaeden talking to him and telling him to do whatever using Illidans MEMORY of Kil'Jaeden to create the illusion.
Now that you are being a hardcore douche I will also be one: In that trailer were you say Illidan is going 20 miles a second how can you see where he is in relation to the clouds, from the trailer and the perspective the clouds look like the are just above him (maybe 500 metres...although I would say even less) HOW can you prove that the clouds (or above the clouds) is 20 miles or even 1 mile? I could with the same authority as you say that the distance is 20 metres.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
1. Illidan received a great boost in powers from consuming the Skull of Gul'Dan, not just ability to make portals and corrupt forests. Have you played Warcraft 3?2. Warcraft spells have a greater effect against intangible targets. Since Sephiroth is greatly slowed down when using intangibility, it would be a lose-lose move for Sephiroth.
1. I used the same source as him, so yeah. I am not disputing he got a boost in power im disputing that he had every Warlock ability. What abilities did it give him, I thought it mostly just corrupted him to be more demonic.
2. Where has a Warcraft spell ever hit an intangible target. (NOTE: Intangible not a Spirit target.)
I will do up a full analysis in essay format if you would like on everything Sephiroth has done what he can do with all the sources cited like properly and in an formal format.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Illidan is faster then teleportation now? No he isn't. Yes Sephiroth could easily react to the speed at which Illidan could fly. why? before he gained the Neg lifestream and before he quit SOLDIER he was referred to as the BEST FIRST CLASS SOLDIER, now First Class SOLDIER was the best of SOLDIER and only the Best of ShinRa would get into SOLDIER. SOLDIERs below Sephiroth could deflect bullets going 1.5 Miles per second with ease. This is shown because A) Zack is slower then Sephiroth and deflects bullets with ease. B) Cloud is slower then Sephiroth and deflects bullets with ease. Zack going hardout on Sephiroth and Sephiroth was easily blocking his sword and overpowering him same as he was with Cloud. These two are seen deflecting multiple bullets while also fighting off someone, do you even understand what is required to be able to do that? AND Sephiroth EASILY overpowers them.Show me Illidans durability feats.
Sephiroths durability feats I have already stated:
He has crashed into a planet from space and survived. (didn't only survive this he then went on and nearly wiped out an entire civilisation who were also master spellcasters...). Pre-Nib Sephiroth survives massive explosions and he doesn't only survive them he goes through them unphased (no damage at all). He stands in fire without it phasing him at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZaSipHuO4
Advent Children will show you the rest.What the hell are you talking about? Ofcourse they have outside of gameplay mechanic :
Heartless Angel: Target will be near death.
Supernova: Makes the target believe that thier sun is exploding so much that they believe themselves burning up as the sun explodes.Yeah, they are portions of Sephiroth and so they are weaker then him how hard is that to understand?
So you are saying it takes no strength to slice through a building if your sword is super sharp?
Those FAQs are english translations of Official books so you don't have to learn Japanese and buy the books yourself, do you want me to quote Japanese books for you?
Oh my god: After the insidious warlock Gul'dan died, his skull was turned into a channeling totem for demonic energy Additionally, it is implied several times that the Skull has corrupting properties on its wielder as the voice of Gul'dan slowly tempts him over time. Illidan Stormrage who, upon absorbing its power, became half night elf and half demon. WHAT does this skull have to do with his knowing of every mage spell and every warlock spell?
YOU have posted TWO sources one a trailer and one a wowwiki link plus games. I have posted links to TWO translations of Official Japanese books on FF: VII and have used the games.
I wanted to point out what you said again:
First, that wouldnt work because Illidan can see magic, Sephiroth has none the way Warcraft sees it and Kiljaeden overflows with magic, furthermore you would have to prove Sephiroth could actually make such a good deception form of Kiljaeden, considering hes tiny and not half as overbearing as the demon lord.
Sephiroth would make Illidans MIND see Kil'Jaeden talking to him and telling him to do whatever using Illidans MEMORY of Kil'Jaeden to create the illusion.
Now that you are being a hardcore douche I will also be one: In that trailer were you say Illidan is going 20 miles a second how can you see where he is in relation to the clouds, from the trailer and the perspective the clouds look like the are just above him (maybe 500 metres...although I would say even less) HOW can you prove that the clouds (or above the clouds) is 20 miles or even 1 mile? I could with the same authority as you say that the distance is 20 metres.
1. I used the same source as him, so yeah. I am not disputing he got a boost in power im disputing that he had every Warlock ability. What abilities did it give him, I thought it mostly just corrupted him to be more demonic.
2. Where has a Warcraft spell ever hit an intangible target. (NOTE: Intangible not a Spirit target.)
I will do up a full analysis in essay format if you would like on everything Sephiroth has done what he can do with all the sources cited like properly and in an formal format.
Sure is, you would have to prove that Sephiroths teleportation allows him to keep up with Illidans speed, moving at his incredible speed that he is, Sephiroth would never keep up in teleportation. You would now have to show me the evidence of Zack blocking bullets and then show me Sephiroth overpowering him, you would also have to prove Zack was moving at his fastest speed. Also reaction speed is not the samne as movement speed, Illidan would be moving at faster than bulletspeed, because a bullet cannot break through the Clouds of Earth if you fired up at such a quick speed.
Illidan has none afaik. Thing is nothing Sephiroth can do will touch Illidan.
Show me Sephiroth doing that, ive not seen it, although whats intrieging is that hes not shown any magic resistance that ive seen either which is what Illidan will be using.
Target will be near death? thats featless, thats a no limits fallacy AND its as i said, has no canon backing.
Show me the official source that states that Supernova does that please, ive not seen it.
Individually each remnant is weaker than him, sure, but the Remanant who embodies Sephiroths strength would be as "strong" as him physically.
Certainly not, it would take little to no strength at all, its like saying Jedi are as strong as those blast doors just because their light sabers can slice through them.
Its just an FAQ, the way it speaks is as if their a couple of forum debators just like you are one, trying to make sense of it, thats not official.
The Skull has everything to do with him knowing Guldans Warlock powers because thats the power of Guldan, and as it clearly states, Illidan absorbed that power. The fact it turned him into a demon does not mean he doesnt gain any Warlock powers from the power from a Warlock 🙄
Yes but half of your evidence is not useful for Sephiroth, youve shown me a few powers such as mimic that he may have, but youve not actually proven the more important information such as what powers hes actually shown, durability etc, youve simply stated, youve not shown.
As you said, illusion, Illidan will not be fooled by such an illusion because as i said, Kiljaeden overflows with magic, you cant prove that Sephiroth can make an illusion of Kiljaedens magic aura as well. Besides ive not seen evidence that Sephiroth could do this so convincingly not that it would help him in the fight.
We can be sure because we can see the Clouds far far up in the background when Illidan is clutching a skull. not to mention, there is no point in Shadowmoon valley that is only 20 meters from the Cloud cover.
Teleportation is faster then light. i.e Light isn't instant, teleportation is.
Sephiroth could slice through Illidan like he slices through buildings. Sephiroths sword is not a lightsaber.
Prove to me the clouds are more then one mile away, it looks like he is on a mountain that is really really high and close to the clouds. Did the creators say that he was 20 miles below the clouds in that trailer because it sure as hell doesn't look like 20 miles.
Jenova crashed into the planet on a meteor, it is one of the recurring themes of FF VII, Sephiroth is Sephiroth plus Jenova. Jenova rode a meteor into Earth (or Gaia).
It isn't magical resistance, it is just a feat that shows how tough his skin is, he can stand in fire without it bothering him means basically he can't be burnt. So either his skin is super tough or he regenerates faster then it can burn him. But since he shows no signs of pain we assume his skin is just that tough.
None however, represents his durability. (Remnants) We see Kadaj outmatched by Cloud but Sephiroth outmatches Cloud. So Kadaj is not as good as Sephiroth. Same with Loz and Yazoo. They are weaker in every way, in sword technique, strength, speed, durability etc.
Illidan wouldn't even realise it was an Illusion, it would be taken from his memory SO EVERYTHING THAT MAKES UP KIL'JAEDEN (for Illidan) would be there. Sephiroth could even create an Illusion of himself that fights Illidan, he could make himself lose and as the killing blow or spell hits Sephiroth(Illusion), he(Non-Illusion Seph) would stab Illidan through the face.
If Supernova isn't an Illusion (which makes sense as it causes confusion) then it destroys and recreates a solar system. You can choose. Also Supernova causes: 93.75% of your maximum health in damage.
Nothing has said that Illidan would gain warlock powers with the Skull of Gul'dan it just says he has a boost in power and becomes more demonic. The boost of power in the game shows his normal attacks become Chaos and he does more damage. The skull contains the spirit of Gul'Dan
I show the exact same amount of evidence as you. I will continue to argue the exact same way as you do because there is no point argueing with full evidence and effort when the person you argue against completly ignores all sources you post.
In Warcraft 3 there is no place that a spell hits an intangible target.
In AC Cloud is told that he fights like the SOLDIER he once claimed to be, that SOLDIER he claimed to be was Zack. Cloud can block and dodge bullets, so can Zack. Sephiroth speedblitzs Zack because: 1. He is the best First Class Soldier. 2. There is a cutscene where Sephiroth speedblitzes zack in combat.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Teleportation is faster then light. i.e Light isn't instant, teleportation is.Sephiroth could slice through Illidan like he slices through buildings. Sephiroths sword is not a lightsaber.
Prove to me the clouds are more then one mile away, it looks like he is on a mountain that is really really high and close to the clouds. Did the creators say that he was 20 miles below the clouds in that trailer because it sure as hell doesn't look like 20 miles.
Jenova crashed into the planet on a meteor, it is one of the recurring themes of FF VII, Sephiroth is Sephiroth plus Jenova. Jenova rode a meteor into Earth (or Gaia).
It isn't magical resistance, it is just a feat that shows how tough his skin is, he can stand in fire without it bothering him means basically he can't be burnt. So either his skin is super tough or he regenerates faster then it can burn him. But since he shows no signs of pain we assume his skin is just that tough.
None however, represents his durability. (Remnants) We see Kadaj outmatched by Cloud but Sephiroth outmatches Cloud. So Kadaj is not as good as Sephiroth. Same with Loz and Yazoo. They are weaker in every way, in sword technique, strength, speed, durability etc.
Illidan wouldn't even realise it was an Illusion, it would be taken from his memory SO EVERYTHING THAT MAKES UP KIL'JAEDEN (for Illidan) would be there. Sephiroth could even create an Illusion of himself that fights Illidan, he could make himself lose and as the killing blow or spell hits Sephiroth(Illusion), he(Non-Illusion Seph) would stab Illidan through the face.
If Supernova isn't an Illusion (which makes sense as it causes confusion) then it destroys and recreates a solar system. You can choose. Also Supernova causes: 93.75% of your maximum health in damage.
Nothing has said that Illidan would gain warlock powers with the Skull of Gul'dan it just says he has a boost in power and becomes more demonic. The boost of power in the game shows his normal attacks become Chaos and he does more damage. The skull contains the spirit of Gul'Dan
I show the exact same amount of evidence as you. I will continue to argue the exact same way as you do because there is no point argueing with full evidence and effort when the person you argue against completly ignores all sources you post.
In Warcraft 3 there is no place that a spell hits an intangible target.
In AC Cloud is told that he fights like the SOLDIER he once claimed to be, that SOLDIER he claimed to be was Zack. Cloud can block and dodge bullets, so can Zack. Sephiroth speedblitzs Zack because: 1. He is the best First Class Soldier. 2. There is a cutscene where Sephiroth speedblitzes zack in combat.
Can you show me that Sephiroths teleportation is faster than light?
No its not, its a blade formed of the lifestream that apprently that can dissole through objects like meteor.
The Clouds are above him, ive already shown you the trailer, and looks like he is on a mountain? wtf....first the only Mountain in shadowmoon is pretty much a Volcano so no, it looks nothing like that and second how could you possibly think hes standing on anything? all we see is a pile of skulls, do you think theres just been an enormous battle across the tip of a mountain? your thinking illogically and inventing things.
Sephiroth being the form of Jenova does not mean he can survive crashing into the planet, not to mention if she used a meteor. Also according to you Jenova cells reform, so do you know jenova was actually whole after she crashed?
We cant assume that, we can only assume he resistant to fire, thats all we can assume.
nothing repersents his durability, its pretty much featless. Obviously not because your source clearly states Loz represents the remnant of Sephiroths strength, so they would be equel in their representive areas.
No i dont have to choose anything, if Supernova is just a gameplay move that has no reach into canon then it cannot actually be used in the debate, we know for a fact its not canon that it blows up the solarsystem, so that means its featless. Its assumed its an illusion, however we dont know the effect of the illusion, it may just be a fun little game mechanic, since thats all it can be.
Illidan gains the power of the skull, the power of the skull=Guldans, Guldan=master Warlock, theres no other way around it.
No youve shown me some random bits of evidence such as the origin of the remnants, youve not shown me information that could actually help Sephiroth.
A ghost is instangible.
Although I would like to see this video of the speed blitz of Sephiroth into Zack, as well as Zack/Cloud deflecting bullets, ive seen the size of Clouds sword, he has an obvious advantage in bullet reflecting.
Can you show me that light is faster then teleportation? No? therefore moving instantly from a place to another place is faster then 299 792 458 m / s because this isn't instant, it is still a speed. If you were to choose (to travel to a place 500 billion lightyears away which would you choose light or teleportation? obviously you would die from the wait using light speed but from instant teleportation you would lose an instant of your life.
When has his blade ever disolved anything? It was formed from the Negative Lifestrean into a metal blade, the only reason I stated this was because some people stated it would break, it wouldn't break as he could reinforce it as it broke or create another as it broke.
Everything is just a gameplay move in a game, does that make everything featless?
Also, apparently I can't use AC Sephiroth because movie != game and the poster didn't specify a Sephiroth so I can only choose a game version of him.
Okay he is resistant to fire.
Sephiroth (even in game) is Pre-Nib Sephiroth + Jenova(yes the same one that rode a meteor into the planet) the fact is Jenova survived the meteor colliding with the planet.
You can't say the spell doesn't exist because it does. SO you do have to choose something. Are you saying the fact that it causes confusion on party members doesn't mean anything?
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Can you show me that light is faster then teleportation? No? therefore moving instantly from a place to another place is faster then 299 792 458 m / s because this isn't instant, it is still a speed. If you were to choose (to travel to a place 500 billion lightyears away which would you choose light or teleportation? obviously you would die from the wait using light speed but from instant teleportation you would lose an instant of your life.When has his blade ever disolved anything? It was formed from the Negative Lifestrean into a metal blade, the only reason I stated this was because some people stated it would break, it wouldn't break as he could reinforce it as it broke or create another as it broke.
Everything is just a gameplay move in a game, does that make everything featless?
Also, apparently I can't use AC Sephiroth because movie != game and the poster didn't specify a Sephiroth so I can only choose a game version of him.
Okay he is resistant to fire.
Sephiroth (even in game) is Pre-Nib Sephiroth + Jenova(yes the same one that rode a meteor into the planet) the fact is Jenova survived the meteor colliding with the planet.
You can't say the spell doesn't exist because it does. SO you do have to choose something. Are you saying the fact that it causes confusion on party members doesn't mean anything?
Thing is teleportation is not usually instant, for example Kain can teleport, but its far from "instant", also depending on distances it may take longer to teleport from one place to another. Light on the other hand is constantly moving, if a being of lightspeed was moving, the smallest amount of lag on Sephiroth appearing after teleporting could feel like an age to that being. Also where does it even say Sephiroths teleporting is literally instant? sounds like hyperbole.
No, not everything, most powers have strong description and documentation on what they actually do or cinematics where what they do can be seen. Otherwise its pretty much featless.
Yes but that doesnt mean much when you dont know if she survived because she reformed yet was splattered when she landed.
What spell? sorry you lost me in that last part.