yeh BS, Sephiroth is not close to as fast as Illidan by feats and teleportation does not work the way you seem to think it does, teleporting with your sword inside someone who is moving at those speeds? rubbish...
Unlike Sephiroth Illidan can actually do spells and use powers quickly, Sephiroth is just a fast swordsman basically....problem is, Illidan is a faster one.
Originally posted by K1ll3rwhy don't you? I'm in fact dying to hear if he even can, let alone the type he uses.
Why don't you enlighten everyone on how Sephiroths teleportation works?Illidan cannot move at those speeds, trailer != canon just like a movie != canon unless specified by the maker of the thread.
BT is correct in the sense, you don't seem to understand how teleportation works.
How does teleportation work then? Obviously you guys have been studying at like a top secret government Teleportation testing lab to know exactly how it works, especially in a game.
I have, Sephiroth wants to teleport a Jenova cell somewhere or someone containing Jenova cells and they go from where they are, to where he wants them.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
How does teleportation work then? Obviously you guys have been studying at like a top secret government Teleportation testing lab to know exactly how it works, especially in a game.I have, Sephiroth wants to teleport a Jenova cell somewhere or someone containing Jenova cells and they go from where they are, to where he wants them.
Teleportation works by transporting your cells, material body etc etc through a variety of diffrent ways, magic, molecule seperation/tranportation etc. Thing is, teleportation takes about a second for the being to react, teleport and then whatever time it takes in-between to port to the area, unless you can prove he can teleport to a location when Illidan is moving at such ridiculous speeds and defeat him then its a worthless tactic, he would end up teleporting meters, if not tens of meters behind illidan.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Why don't you enlighten everyone on how Sephiroths teleportation works?Illidan cannot move at those speeds, trailer != canon just like a movie != canon unless specified by the maker of the thread.
IMe not talking about Sephiroths teleportation which ive never seen, ime talking about teleportation in general, nobody who has teleport can react to any other being just because teleport is fairly quick, doesnt mean that a being who can physically move faster cannot catch up.
Erm sorry but no, its the trailer of the game...its as canon as anything else...nice try tho 🙄
So? Teleportation in FF:VII doesn't work how you want it to, only how we can see it work.
It doesn't matter if you are talking in general im talking in the way Sephiroth teleports.
It is a cinematic trailer of a game, the same medium in which Advent Children is done in. It is because of the medium Advent Children is done in is why not allowed.
Quote from rules: only feats seen in the actual video games are considered canon.
That trailer is not in the video game as it isn't a cutscene, but it doesn't matter because even if he could fly up that fast it wouldn't make a difference.
Illidans sword skills do not match Sephiroths in the slightest, and his magical capabilities are not as great as you seem to think they are (He canonically is not able to cast every warlock and mage spell for example).
*sigh* I think I am addicted to argueing with you 'cause I can't stop.
yes and he has never used it like you belive he can.
And hes never teleported so his weapon is inside someone, thats not what teleportion is.
No its not, AC is a seperate piece of media, what your suggesting is that all cutscenes in games should be ignored, which ofcourse is ridiculous.
Itsfrom the same media.
tbh ive not seen Sephiroth do anything superbly impressive with hissword, and who are you to determine what he can cast, Blizzard call him a master magic user AND taken on the powers of a master Warlock. Thinking he cannot cast the basic spells that any Warcraft Mage/Warlock class has access to is foolish.
So you are suggesting that if someone 'consumes' any skull they gain the powers of the owner? No, that is not true the ONLY reason it gives Illidan powers is because it was used as a demonic energy totem AND it has Gul'dans spirit that corrupts people THAT IS ALL.
How has he teleported then? If you teleport one foot away from a person and in line with them, but before you teleported you had your sword arm pointing your sword out what would happen?
No, I am saying cinematic game trailers aren't canon. Besides he doesn't fly at 20 miles a second in it, I would call it a super jump. Anyway how does this help? Yay he can Jump and Flap his wings and end up above the clouds.
Bah, even if he could cast them (Which he can't! He has his own set of uber spells, Immolation, Mana Burn and his WoW abilities.) how would they even help him?
So slicing through the Junon cannon is not impressive? Slicing through buildings is not impressive? He is the best First class SOLDIER(The best fighters in the FFVII world) who use Swords as weapons, surely he kind of knows how to use a sword. Illidan has no feats with his blades, he just swipes away and blocks with them.
Illidan wouldn't survive one summon of Bahamut ZERO, yeah it would take 2 seconds to cast and 38 seconds to take effect, but Im pretty sure Sephiroth could survive long enough.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Bahamut/Summon_Sequences#Bahamut_ZERO
Not any skull dear lad, the Skull of Guldan is pretty darn specific, the only powers that skull could possibly have is Guldans because its his skull, and Illidan consumed them.
It would not work like that, theres always a pair of movements, Sephiroths teleportation and the guy he is trying to follow, besides I dont even have to debate this area, you have to prove first Hitler can calculate when he has to teleport to make sure he keeps up with Illidans incredible speeds.
Well then you would be wrong, its part of the game....
Almost any of them would stop or destroy Sephiroth who is mostly durability featless.
You were talking about skill, thats not skill......and wtf, just swipes away and blocks? tbh thats all ive seen Sephiroth do, a few slices and blocks lol.....show me him doing some "uber skilz"
nah not really, one hit and he would die so no, hes not got a chance and you owuld have ot be assuming and using a stretch of the imagination to think he can even move while casting it.
Haha, he is the best SOLDIER who only ever use swords, he must have some kind of skill?
No you have the Skull of Guldan all wrong, IT GRANTED HIM DEMONIC POWERS BECAUSE IT WAS USED AS A DEMONIC CHANNELING TOTEM, the part you are misinterpreting is that Guldans spirit is residing in the skull and corrupts those that use it. (He also shared the knowledge of that place that one time).
What part of the game? That is the only time I have ever seen him move at those speeds, and even then he is using his legs and wings to propel himself some unknown distance (probably 10 metres). Lets say he could jump and flap going 20 miles a second how would that help him when he would think he is versing Kil'Jaeden or even himself or a million Sephiroths or the sun is exploding or Sephiroth t'ks his face in half. If he can lift 8 people several metres in the air and control all thier movements with tk then I am sure he can snap Illidans face in half.
Illidan shoots his eyebeam: Sephiroth tks Illidans face off.
Illidan Flys at Sephiroth at 20 miles a second: Sephiroth teleports 500 miles up and casts bahamut ZERO and creates an Illusion that thier are 20 million level 80 deathknights attacking Illidan.
Illidan uses any Warlock ability: Sephiroth tks Illidans face off.
Illidan uses any other ability: Sephiroth tks Illidans face off.
Maybe...maybe, but not that weve seen tbh.....
Ive not confused it at all.....youve just outlined how its the power of Guldan, the fact it was used for a demonic totem does not make a diffrence on the fact that it was Guldans power in the skull, and hes gained its power.
The cinematic part of it....and its canon, official canon, your assuming and overhyping Sephiroths/jenovas illusion skill too much. Oh please, he lifted 8 people moth of which could move their arms and such, that does not mean he has the force to break thick bone or blood, especially when hes facing a magically enhanced being.
All of those sad little assumptions mean nothing, hes never done half of the things your assuming he can do nor is it implied he has any of those powers.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Maybe...maybe, but not that weve seen tbh.....Ive not confused it at all.....youve just outlined how its the power of Guldan, the fact it was used for a demonic totem does not make a diffrence on the fact that it was Guldans power in the skull, and hes gained its power.
The cinematic part of it....and its canon, official canon, your assuming and overhyping Sephiroths/jenovas illusion skill too much. Oh please, he lifted 8 people moth of which could move their arms and such, that does not mean he has the force to break thick bone or blood, especially when hes facing a magically enhanced being.
All of those sad little assumptions mean nothing, hes never done half of the things your assuming he can do nor is it implied he has any of those powers.
Skill with a sword: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZaSipHuO4
Watch that fight.
Skull of Gul'dan, using your sources:
After the insidious warlock Gul'dan died, his skull was turned into a channeling totem for demonic energy.
The skull appeared to hold some shard of Gul'dan's soul within, enabling the dead warlock to communicate with Ner'zhul.
it is implied several times that the Skull has corrupting properties on its wielder as the voice of Gul'dan slowly tempts him over time.[2]
[The Skull of Gul'dan] metamorphosed Illidan in[to] a powerful demon
he shattered the demonic seal and used the Skull's powers for his own
Show me where it was Gul'Dans power that he consumes? Everything points to him consuming the demonic energy within it. Why would he turn into a demon if he just go the powers of Gul'Dan? You are still confusing the 'Shard of Gul'Dans soul'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN8CiSR_Muk&NR=1
5:20
He is picking up 8 people with his telekinesis, each Weighing between 111 - 162 pounds each. Lets go with 120 for each one just to have a nice number. That is 960 pounds not including equipment (435 kilograms). WHILE also controlling their limbs so he also has a lot of control (Cid: My body I can't control my body). Using the same force required to lift 960 pounds you don't think he could break Illidans bones?
Sephiroth creating Illusions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Z0Q3RneIc
4:39 watch it all.
Watch the next part in the series and you will see Sephiroth doing another Illusion.
Teleportation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC41Sr6zpxY&feature=related
4:32
He has Telekinesis, He can create Illusions, He can read the memories of others, Teleport and he can cast Bahamut ZERO, what powers did I state that he doesn't have?
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
The Skull of Gul'dan was called a "powerful demonic artifact" and Illidan consumed the majority of its powers. Illidan gained a very visible increase in power after consuming it. What's to argue about, really?
That he didn't gain every single warlock ability as BT seems to think.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Skill with a sword: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZaSipHuO4Watch that fight.
Skull of Gul'dan, using your sources:
After the insidious warlock Gul'dan died, [b]his skull was turned into a channeling totem for demonic energy
.The skull appeared to hold some shard of Gul'dan's soul within, enabling the dead warlock to communicate with Ner'zhul.
it is implied several times that the Skull has corrupting properties on its wielder as the voice of Gul'dan slowly tempts him over time.[2]
[The Skull of Gul'dan] metamorphosed Illidan in[to] a powerful demon
he shattered the demonic seal and used the Skull's powers for his own
Show me where it was Gul'Dans power that he consumes? Everything points to him consuming the demonic energy within it. Why would he turn into a demon if he just go the powers of Gul'Dan? You are still confusing the 'Shard of Gul'Dans soul'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN8CiSR_Muk&NR=1
5:20
He is picking up 8 people with his telekinesis, each Weighing between 111 - 162 pounds each. Lets go with 120 for each one just to have a nice number. That is 960 pounds not including equipment (435 kilograms). WHILE also controlling their limbs so he also has a lot of control (Cid: My body I can't control my body). Using the same force required to lift 960 pounds you don't think he could break Illidans bones?
Sephiroth creating Illusions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Z0Q3RneIc
4:39 watch it all.Watch the next part in the series and you will see Sephiroth doing another Illusion.
Teleportation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC41Sr6zpxY&feature=related
4:32He has Telekinesis, He can create Illusions, He can read the memories of others, Teleport and he can cast Bahamut ZERO, what powers did I state that he doesn't have?
That he didn't gain every single warlock ability as BT seems to think. [/B]
The sources do not contradict me at all, they point out that Guldans power was inside the skull, the fact it had demonic influence as well as was simply used as a totem of power does not help your argument at all nor disable the fact that it was Guldans skull with his soul and power inside.
No, he could not break Illidans bones, and your assuming he can create that kind of force on one being....
lmao at that illusion, first Cloud, not the smartest block knew it was one immedialtey, all Sephiroth did was create an illusional landscape, not to mention he had to be part of it and was still excisting so it seems his illusion powers are not much at all. Illidon would see through the illusion imedialtey and find Sephiroth.
Teleportation? that is perhaps the slowest teleporation I have ever seen, if its even teleportaton at all, since he seems to have to fly off teh screen first...
Well first show me him summoning Bahumaht Zero and I was refering to the "breaking bones" nonsense, hes never done it and picking someone up is easier than smashing their bones...especially a being as large and dense as Illidan. Infact I would like you to show me Sephiroth picking up something heavier than Cloud and the gang before I assume he can pick up Illidan, since he is far far larger and his body is more complex.
Originally posted by Burning thought
The sources do not contradict me at all, they point out that Guldans power was inside the skull, the fact it had demonic influence as well as was simply [b]used as a totem of power does not help your argument at all nor disable the fact that it was Guldans skull with his soul and power inside. [/B]
They never point out Gul'Dans power is in the skull, only his soul and only to corrupt the holder of the skull, show me anywhere where it even implies that Gul'Dans power is in his skull. Why would he turn into a half demon if it had Gul'Dans power in it? Gul'Dan wasn't a demon, he was an orc warlock.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No, he could not break Illidans bones, and your assuming he can create that kind of force on one being....
Logically it would take less concentration to create a force on one being then it would be to spread it out across 8 while controlling thier movements. You would have to prove Illidans bones can take that force.
Originally posted by Burning thought
lmao at that illusion, first Cloud, not the smartest block knew it was one immedialtey, all Sephiroth did was create an illusional landscape, not to mention he had to be part of it and was still excisting so it seems his illusion powers are not much at all. Illidon would see through the illusion imedialtey and find Sephiroth.
They only realised that it was an Illusion is because Sephiroth wanted them to know thats all it was (He was showing Cloud what really happened in Nibelheim). Otherwise he wouldn't have used a town that was nowhere near thier location as the illusion.
He is never apart of it, he himself is an illusion in there, the only REAL people is the players party.
The next part(I said to look at it) showed him sending an illusion to the person holding the black materia and since he didn't want them to know it was an illusion, they didn't.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Teleportation? that is perhaps the slowest teleporation I have ever seen, if its even teleportaton at all, since he seems to have to fly off teh screen first...
Who says he has to? Are you saying in a fight with Illidan he would have to fly off the screen first? What kind of logic is that and what would that mean? In what way is it the slowest?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Well first show me him summoning Bahumaht Zero and I was refering to the "breaking bones" nonsense, hes never done it and picking someone up is easier than smashing their bones...especially a being as large and dense as Illidan. Infact I would like you to show me Sephiroth picking up something heavier than Cloud and the gang before I assume he can pick up Illidan, since he is far far larger and his body is more complex.
First you show me how Illidan has all mage and warlock abilities. What? Obviously it would take more concentration to lift up multiple people and control all thier movements then to lift up one person and control theirs or break their bones. He is large, but how is he any more denser then a human? So his body is heavier then 960 Pounds and he has more then 33 Limbs? Wrong.
No, how would breaking someones bones be harder then lifting 8 people up and controlling their movements? All he would have to do is use the same force (and less concentration) then he did with that example and he could snap Illidans neck. No, first you would have to prove Illidans bones durability could withstand the force and if Illidan is heavier then 960 pounds.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
They never point out Gul'Dans power is in the skull, only his soul and only to corrupt the holder of the skull, show me anywhere where it even implies that Gul'Dans power is in his skull. Why would he turn into a half demon if it had Gul'Dans power in it? Gul'Dan wasn't a demon, he was an orc warlock.Logically it would take less concentration to create a force on one being then it would be to spread it out across 8 while controlling thier movements. You would have to prove Illidans bones can take that force.
They only realised that it was an Illusion is because Sephiroth wanted them to know thats all it was (He was showing Cloud what really happened in Nibelheim). Otherwise he wouldn't have used a town that was nowhere near thier location as the illusion.
He is never apart of it, he himself is an illusion in there, the only REAL people is the players party.
The next part(I said to look at it) showed him sending an illusion to the person holding the black materia and since he didn't want them to know it was an illusion, they didn't.
Who says he has to? Are you saying in a fight with Illidan he would have to fly off the screen first? What kind of logic is that and what would that mean? In what way is it the slowest?
First you show me how Illidan has all mage and warlock abilities. What? Obviously it would take more concentration to lift up multiple people and control all thier movements then to lift up one person and control theirs or break their bones. He is large, but how is he any more denser then a human? So his body is heavier then 960 Pounds and he has more then 33 Limbs? Wrong.
No, how would breaking someones bones be harder then lifting 8 people up and controlling their movements? All he would have to do is use the same force (and less concentration) then he did with that example and he could snap Illidans neck. No, first you would have to prove Illidans bones durability could withstand the force and if Illidan is heavier then 960 pounds.
The only power that would be in the skull is Guldans, when does it say anywhere that more power is placed in the skull? it says quite clearly the skull has a shard of Guldans spirit in it, and it says clearly demons use it as a totem.....yet despite evidence your trying to claim it has none of Guldans power in it? or your claiming it has somehow gained random powers by itself?
No you would have to prove that Sephiroth can actually condense his power of TK into one area, or a smaller area than a whole body....hes never broken bone at all..normal human bone is 8x stronger than concrete:
http://www.essortment.com/all/boneshumanskel_nnh.htm
So, effective is this design structure that bone is eight times stronger than reinforced concrete.
, now logically Illidan being larger and stronger than humans AND being enhanced by demonic powers is going to be far far denser than that and far harder to damage, especially when moving around at thousands of mph.
Now your just assuming, show me proof Sephiroth wanted them to know, or show me proof of him actually decieving his foes, because ive not seen any yet, ive only seen Cloud knowing imediatley an illusion.
No ime saying he will have to fly upwards if its teleport at all, and its slow because it takes at least 10 seconds for him to phase in from the first teleport, in which case Illidan would easily slice him into bits.
Ive done so....Blizzard have stated he gains the power of the skull (Warlock) and that he is amaster sorceror even in the eyes of the elves (mage powers). How is he more denser than a human? have you even seen Illidan? hes huge in comparison to a human....
No to gain the ability your trying to give him, he would have to concentrate his TK force into a smaller area (illidans neck in your example ) which he has not shown and be able to break something perhaps over 10x stronger than reinforced concrete in the form of a huge demonic elf flying at thousands of mph....
Originally posted by Burning thought
The only power that would be in the skull is Guldans, when does it say anywhere that more power is placed in the skull?
Show me anywhere stating Gul'Dans power would be\was in his skull. When the skull was turned into a demonic energy channeling totem, demonic energy channeled through it (This is what Illidan consumed).
Originally posted by Burning thought
it says quite clearly the skull has a shard of Guldans spirit in it
Yes, allowing the dead warlock to communicate, nothing more.
Originally posted by Burning thought
and it says clearly demons use it as a totem.....yet despite evidence your trying to claim it has none of Guldans power in it? or your claiming it has somehow gained random powers by itself?
No, please get your facts straight, it clearly says: his skull was turned into a channeling totem for demonic energy.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No you would have to prove that Sephiroth can actually condense his power of TK into one area, or a smaller area than a whole body....hes never broken bone at all..normal human bone is 8x stronger than concrete:
So you are saying his TK is limited to rules and not just his thoughts?
If he can spread his TK out, why can't he condense it?
Originally posted by Burning thought
, now logically Illidan being larger and stronger than humans.
Show me him being stronger than a regular human.
Also how is Larger == Tougher true?
Originally posted by Burning thought
AND being enhanced by demonic powers is going to be far far denser than that and far harder to damage, especially when moving around at thousands of mph.
How does gaining demonic powers increase ones durability?
Show me him moving at thousands of mph.
Originally posted by Burning thought
, Now your just assuming, show me proof Sephiroth wanted them to know,
No, your assuming without any kind of context that Sephiroth wanted to decieve Cloud and co. Sephiroth wanted to show Cloud what really happened, Sephiroth wanted Cloud to know that he was just Sephiroths puppet.
Originally posted by Burning thought
or show me proof of him actually decieving his foes, because ive not seen any yet, ive only seen Cloud knowing imediatley an illusion.
I already did(I said watch the next part), but here is the specific link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOitEm9V0J4
4:00 - 5:42.
In that you also see Sephiroth teleporting Cloud, Tifa and Nanaki.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No ime saying he will have to fly upwards if its teleport at all, and its slow because it takes at least 10 seconds for him to phase in from the first teleport, in which case Illidan would easily slice him into bits.
Why would he have to fly upwards? Check him out teleporting 3 completely different people to a different place in the above video and explain why he couldn't do that to himself.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Ive done so....Blizzard have stated he gains the power of the skull (Warlock) and that he is amaster sorceror even in the eyes of the elves (mage powers). How is he more denser than a human? have you even seen Illidan? hes huge in comparison to a human....
Show me the evidence that the power of the skull is gul'dans warlock powers. Being huge != Being tough.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No to gain the ability your trying to give him, he would have to concentrate his TK force into a smaller area (illidans neck in your example ) which he has not shown and be able to break something perhaps over 10x stronger than reinforced concrete in the form of a huge demonic elf flying at thousands of mph....
Spreading TK out into 8 different bodies and controlling 33 different limbs is a greater feat then simply snapping a neck.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Show me anywhere stating Gul'Dans power would be\was in his skull. When the skull was turned into a demonic energy channeling totem, demonic energy channeled through it (This is what Illidan consumed).Yes, allowing the dead warlock to communicate, nothing more.
No, please get your facts straight, it clearly says: his skull was [b]turned
into a channeling totem for demonic energy.So you are saying his TK is limited to rules and not just his thoughts?
If he can spread his TK out, why can't he condense it?Show me him being stronger than a regular human.
Also how is Larger == Tougher true?
How does gaining demonic powers increase ones durability?
Show me him moving at thousands of mph.
No, your assuming without any kind of context that Sephiroth wanted to decieve Cloud and co. Sephiroth wanted to show Cloud what really happened, Sephiroth wanted Cloud to know that he was just Sephiroths puppet.
I already did(I said watch the next part), but here is the specific link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOitEm9V0J4
4:00 - 5:42.
In that you also see Sephiroth teleporting Cloud, Tifa and Nanaki.
Why would he have to fly upwards? Check him out teleporting 3 completely different people to a different place in the above video and explain why he couldn't do that to himself.
Show me the evidence that the power of the skull is gul'dans warlock powers. Being huge != Being tough.
Spreading TK out into 8 different bodies and controlling 33 different limbs is a greater feat then simply snapping a neck. [/B]
NO it was used as a demonic totem, that does not say anywhere that demonic magic was put into the skull, the only possible power that could be in the soul is Guldans, it even points out some of his spirit was in the skull.
It channels demonic energy does not mean that the demonic energy is being put into it, or that it gains that energy, it means the energy is going through it, thus the "channeling" part...learn to read the evidence please.
Larger=tougher when both materials are simliar, a solid steel ball the size of my thumb is a lot weaker and easier to break typically than a solid steel ball the size of a planet.
Then show me Sephiroth decieving someone to prove he can decieve.....ime not going to run around following your vague guesswork.
Thats not proof at all, all he did was fool some big dufus, once agian not one of the more intelligent beings in fiction by transforming into some girl, thats still not any great deception at all....tricking a big dufus with the form of a young girl does not= decieving a mastermind elf of huge intellect with the form of a vast and enormous demon.
lol I dont have to explain anything, if hes not done it to himself then thats a shame....its obvioulsy not within his power set.
Who says Sephiroth is controlling them limbs? they jsut seem to be flailing about to me, your making up rubbish again, all Sephiroth is doing is lifting 8 bodies, one of which is some kind of sad looking dog reject slightly smaller than the others.
Originally posted by Burning thought
NO it was used as a demonic totem, that does not say anywhere that demonic magic was put into the skull, the only possible power that could be in the soul is Guldans, it even points out some of his spirit was in the skull.
It was turned into a demonic totem, then used, demonic energy was channeled 'through' it, he consumed the energies being channeled through it. Show me proof that Gul'Dans power is in the skull, spirit != power, the spirit can communicate with the bearer of the skull, and that is all.
Originally posted by Burning thought
It channels demonic energy does not mean that the demonic energy is being put into it, or that it gains that energy, it means the energy is going through it, thus the "channeling" part...learn to read the evidence please.
So Illidan consumes the energy going through it?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Larger=tougher when both materials are simliar, a solid steel ball the size of my thumb is a lot weaker and easier to break typically than a solid steel ball the size of a planet.
So a fat guy is more durable then a normal sized guy?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Then show me Sephiroth decieving someone to prove he can decieve.....ime not going to run around following your vague guesswork.Thats not proof at all, all he did was fool some big dufus, once agian not one of the more intelligent beings in fiction by transforming into some girl, thats still not any great deception at all....tricking a big dufus with the form of a young girl does not= decieving a mastermind elf of huge intellect with the form of a vast and enormous demon.
Show Illidan resisting any kind of Illusion. It clearly isn't in his skill set.
Originally posted by Burning thought
lol I dont have to explain anything, if hes not done it to himself then thats a shame....its obvioulsy not within his power set.
Using that logic, Illidan cannot kill anyone, it isn't within his power set.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Who says Sephiroth is controlling them limbs? they jsut seem to be flailing about to me, your making up rubbish again, all Sephiroth is doing is lifting 8 bodies, one of which is some kind of sad looking dog reject slightly smaller than the others.
Because, several of them say things like: My body! I can't control my body!. My tail feels like its about to rip off!
They are flailing about because Sephiroth is making them flail about for his own amusement.