err excuse me, what evidence suggests something other than the Neg lifestream makes him top? he has zero feats to put him above durability, speed, physically etc etc than other characters such as Chaos, and Omega, its obvious you are the one who has no idea over the character.
Yeh and the creators are correct, with the Neg lifestream he has a trump over them...as I said....without it, he would be a pathetic whelp in the face of Chaos or the weapons.
The negative lifestream is just a fraction of his power, champ. I know you've never set eyes upon a FF VII title, but ignorance is not a good defense.
Sephiroth has shown more physical power than any other character has displayed, he's spoken of by any character who mentions him as being the most powerful thing they've ever seen, his feats, which already trump any feat shown by any other character in the compilation, are all of him using no effort, and the creators have already flat out said there is nothing more powerful than him and nothing above him, and that they'd never make anyone above him. He's the most powerful physically, mentally, magically, and in swordsmanship. The NL is just icing on the cake.
Please play at least on FF VII title before you look silly again.
This may shock you, but Illidan isn't from FF7. You can claim that Sephiroth is the most powerful character(not by feats, though) in FF7 all you want.
Anyway, I can't really see Illidan winning more than 2/10. He's outmatched in speed, strength, agility and mobility and probably even fighting skills. Yea, Blades of Azzinoth would be more than a match for Sephiroth's sword but the wielder wouldn't. The only way Illidan can get a win is through magic.
This may shock you, but Illidan isn't from FF7. You can claim that Sephiroth is the most powerful character(not by feats, though) in FF7 all you want.
It still amazes me how no one ever seems to read more than a line or two from my posts mentioning Sephiroth's power. I never said Illidan was in VII so Sephiroth owns him because he > all in VII. If you were paying closer attention you'd see that my point was that if Sephiroth is more powerful than beings that wipe out all life on the planet or have access to the lifestream as all of it is being absorbed then he's not going down to Illidan.
This is for those who will debate, so not you FC
Speed: Illidan turns him into a sheep and cuts him in half, easily. Sephiroth has not shown feats much faster than Illidan, in the opening cinematic of TBC Illidan moves from the ground level of shadowmoon valley above the Clouds, anyone whos played the game knows the distance is quite extensive, take into account above Cloud level in the real world is in miles and Illidan knocks through those Clouds in less than a second, he is faster than Sephiroth.
Strength: ive seen none from Sephiroth and I cannot remember any from Illidan although judging simply by physical mass Illidan would win.
power: easily Illidan, he was a master magic user in the eyes of the Elves before his current enhancements. Take into account the Elves thrived since their excistence around the source of infnite magical energy. He has been enhanced by then by Sargeras who would wipe out FF accidently and Kiljaeden who would prob destroy it easily as well. not ot mention taking the power of one of the greatest Orc warlocks in the skull of Guldan.
Skill: tbh I wouldnt even give this to Sephiroth without discussion, from shown feats he has shown he is far more skilled but thats without taking into account Illidan is perhaps hundreds of years old and is immortal, the only reason I dont give this immeidaltey to him is because he spent 10k years in imprisonment but I think its safe to say he isnt a kid with a sword here, hes going to be especially deadly with his weapons.
Sephiroth is immune to poly morph. You're so fond of using gameplay mechanics as evidence so this holds true. And Illidan is a big lumbering oaf, Sephiroth has shown us movement too fast to be tracked and teleportation.
Sephiroth has sliced skyscrapers in half and has had his physical strength greatly enhanced even before Nibelheim. When Illidan can cut things with enough power to cause steel and concrete to burst into flames, then we'll talk.
Sephiroth has access to all magic in the FF VII world, silly. He wins the magic contest easier than Arnold beats Chris Farley in body building.
Sephiroth is one of the greatest swordsman in fiction, Illidan stands no chance in swordplay.
I will educate certain people in this thread about the abilities proved in canon that Sephiroth has and what he can do.
Now granted Sephiroth doesn't have many 'feats' however his implied strength, speed etc is HUGE. The following few paragraphs etc will inform you a bit more about his awesome power.
http://forums.thelifestream.net/advent-children/'there-is-nothing-stronger-than-sephiroth-nothing-above-him'-is-this-real/15/
Summary of quote:
In the Japanese audio commentary(sp?) it is stated that "In VII, a stronger enemy than Sephiroth can't be made".
So, here's an update on my search, guys. It's taken a good while, but I finally found a Japanese site with a claim that the staff commentary features a quote to the effect we were looking for:About a quarter from the bottom of the page, there's this:
<Snipped, Japanese characters aren't supported on this forum>
That part in the direct quote brackets basically reads "In VII, a stronger enemy than Sephiroth can't be made," with the staff of AC credited for the quote.
That webpage is basically a summary and review of the movie, with a few quotes from the AC commentary itself sprinkled throughout. I'm assuming this statement about Sephiroth is meant to be a direct quote as well.
In any case, even if it's a paraphrasing put into quotes, this is still an actual Japanese source using <Japanese Characters> (kyouteki) -- specifically meaning "stronger/more formidable enemy" -- rather than just <Japanese Characters> (ijou; "above"😉 as was the case with the other Japanese website linked earlier.
In other words, this gives a specific context to "above" -- strength -- and coming from a Japanese source, concerns about misinterpretation of "above" are certainly diminished.
So, with that discovered, ximaus and I both believe that the Nomura quote exists. The claim that Nomura said there can't be a stronger enemy than Sephiroth in FFVII is apparently true.
If you would like to disprove this go ahead and watch the commentary of both english and japanese version of AC, then come back and say "Oh yeah thats right.".
Okay, so from this we know that there can't be a stronger enemy than Sephiroth in FFVII is true. Therefore: Any strength seen in any enemy in the FF VII world is in fact weaker then Sephiroth, think about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1m79XasUd0
Watch this ^ Sephiroth is stronger then the guy with two swords. Sephiroth in fact moves faster then anything I have ever seen in WoW, Sephiroth would not be hit by anything that Illidan could do, even Polymorph. (and if Polymorph is able to be used, why can't Transform materia be used on Illidan so that he turns into toad?).
Also to the people that say materia takes a super long time to do, in AC Bahumet is summoned with a throw of a hand, Therefore the cast time for Transform would be instant. (Also in the game when someone casts magic 'time' is frozen).
Sephiroth has also shown that he can fly in AC and the original game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbwiDIy-m2Y&feature=PlayList&p=5EDE0A7C0F8A7994&playnext=1&index=58
(@ a certain person.) At about 3:50 you can see the building fall, with Sephiroth floating below it. Sephiroth kinda just stays there talking, Sephiroth then looks forward and the bit of the building falls, Sephiroth is not suprised at all...but then again he rarely is. This part of the building was not once touched by Cloud or Sephiroth, so you can come to your own conclusion. However to me it looks as if Sephiroth done it intentionally.
Youtube Video Shows a weaker Sephiroth cutting through tougher materials then what Illidan is made of. (Yes it is a training simulation. But look at the AC vid again.)
How Sephiroth wins:
Before Illidan can even think about doing anything at all, Sephiroth has already sliced him in half. Thanks for playing.
How Sephiroth wins 2:
Sephiroth plays around with Illidan for a while before bending Illidans will so that he is then controlled by Sephiroth.
How Sephiroth wins 3:
Uses a certain materia combination to come back to life and heal to full whenever he dies. (Gameplay)
Random tidbit from FF VII Ultimania (Official Source - unofficially translated):
http://au.faqs.ign.com/articles/698/698416p1.html
It's mentioned that after Sephiroth jumped into the Lifestream back in
Nibelheim, his body dissolved, but because of his powerful will , he reformed it at the Northern Crater, where his life energy and Jenova's head were washed to.
Originally posted by Shaggs
Illidan is BLIND and still fights better with blades than most other warriors. No longer hindered by what he sees, he could literally hear Sephiroth's "super speed".
In fairness, Sephiroth is a terrible fighter. He's a pathetic swordsman who just has insane physical stats. If all swordsmen in existence were equal physically he'd be very weak.
Originally posted by K1ll3rOkay, so from this we know that there can't be a stronger enemy than Sephiroth in FFVII is true. Therefore: Any strength seen in any enemy in the FF VII world is in fact weaker then Sephiroth, think about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1m79XasUd0
Watch this ^ Sephiroth is stronger then the guy with two swords. Sephiroth in fact moves faster then anything I have ever seen in WoW, Sephiroth would not be hit by anything that Illidan could do, even Polymorph. (and if Polymorph is able to be used, why can't Transform materia be used on Illidan so that he turns into toad?).
Also to the people that say materia takes a super long time to do, in AC Bahumet is summoned with a throw of a hand, Therefore the cast time for Transform would be instant. (Also in the game when someone casts magic 'time' is frozen).
Being stronger than an opponent does not make you stronger in every area. If you belive that just because he is "stronger" than Chaos that he is also faster, more destructive etc despite no feats being shown and nothing being implied that he is more powerful in every attribute then please explain your logic.
Polymorph isnt a targeted spell, its like TK, it just affects the target, like almost all the stronger Warcraft spells. Because first Illidan has many resistances and spell shields to protect him almost all of which are created instantly, and the Polymorph spell itself is faster than FF spells from what ive seen.
No i disagree, he takes a good few seconds to be summoned just like in the games and dont assume just because summoning a weak dragon is seemingly more impressive than other lesser materia that they all take less time than that would, the fact remains is that in AC, all times he uses materia he has a fairly long chargup. Sephiroth using any kind of spell will kill him because A: Illidan would have instant spell locks and even if these do not work on FF materia uses the same way mana magic users are, we have B: Illidans spell casting and Warcraft spells in general are all so much faster.
Dont forget Illidan would have access to all the Warlock spells as well, since he consumed the powers of Guldan through his skull, Guldan was one of the most powerful Warlocks in Warcraft.
And I disagree with the speed, Illidan passing over at least 5 miles in a second is far quicker than Sephiroth....
Originally posted by Burning thought
Being stronger than an opponent does not make you stronger in every area. If you belive that just because he is "stronger" than Chaos that he is also faster, more destructive etc despite no feats being shown and nothing being implied that he is more powerful in every attribute then please explain your logic.Polymorph isnt a targeted spell, its like TK, it just affects the target, like almost all the stronger Warcraft spells. Because first Illidan has many resistances and spell shields to protect him almost all of which are created instantly, and the Polymorph spell itself is faster than FF spells from what ive seen.
No i disagree, he takes a good few seconds to be summoned just like in the games and dont assume just because summoning a weak dragon is seemingly more impressive than other lesser materia that they all take less time than that would, the fact remains is that in AC, all times he uses materia he has a fairly long chargup. Sephiroth using any kind of spell will kill him because A: Illidan would have instant spell locks and even if these do not work on FF materia uses the same way mana magic users are, we have B: Illidans spell casting and Warcraft spells in general are all so much faster.
Dont forget Illidan would have access to all the Warlock spells as well, since he consumed the powers of Guldan through his skull, Guldan was one of the most powerful Warlocks in Warcraft.
And I disagree with the speed, Illidan passing over at least 5 miles in a second is far quicker than Sephiroth....
Polymorph is a targeted spell, with a cast time. Besides Sephiroth is Immune all status effects.
I disagree again, Kadaj shot his arm forth and it was summoned, also that is not a weak dragon, in fact that dragon could defeat Illidan itself.
Illidan has access to the spells stated by Blizzard.
Illidan is not that fast, when has he ever past over at least 5 miles in a second? Also Sephiroth has reflexes so fast that he can deflect bullets off his sword, you cannot tell me that Illidan is this fast as he is NOT, if he was he would have had an attack speed of like 0.001 on his weapons, nowhere has any Blizzard employee or any story shown that he is even close to as fast as Sephiroth. Before Illidan could think or react Sephiroth could have sliced him into a million parts. Sephiroth was a first class SOLDIER he was not a retard in handling his sword.
When a player summons or casts magic in FFVII (or an enemy for that matter) 'time' stops, so take that how you will.
Sephiroth is 'above' all enemies in FFVII, maybe read what I post.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Polymorph is a targeted spell, with a cast time. Besides Sephiroth is Immune all status effects.I disagree again, Kadaj shot his arm forth and it was summoned, also that is not a weak dragon, in fact that dragon could defeat Illidan itself.
Illidan has access to the spells stated by Blizzard.
Illidan is not that fast, when has he ever past over at least 5 miles in a second? Also Sephiroth has reflexes so fast that he can deflect bullets off his sword, you cannot tell me that Illidan is this fast as he is NOT, if he was he would have had an attack speed of like 0.001 on his weapons, nowhere has any Blizzard employee or any story shown that he is even close to as fast as Sephiroth. Before Illidan could think or react Sephiroth could have sliced him into a million parts. Sephiroth was a first class SOLDIER he was not a retard in handling his sword.
When a player summons or casts magic in FFVII (or an enemy for that matter) 'time' stops, so take that how you will.
Sephiroth is 'above' all enemies in FFVII, maybe read what I post.
Immune only in gameplay 🙄 In that case Illidan cannot be cut because he never is in gameplay in the WoW, damage effects are not shown on the characters and hes also immune to stunning and spell locking! no....gameplay...
Well show me, ill pick it apart like I do any and all information, I remember it taking longer than that and you still did not answer my other questions of your assumptions.
Well....Illidan would have access to the powers given to him by Blizzard, their his creator afterall.... 😐
2.27, he flies from ground level through the Clouds....distance would be at least 5+ miles if youve seen WoW and Shadowmoon valley.
Show me Sephiroth dodging/deflecting bullets? oh and as the video shows, he is far quicker than a bullet.
erm an attack speed of 0.001? thats very funny, gameplay.....ofc then again are you assuming Sephiroth will stand and wait his turn? because you kno the gameplay of FF7 for one is turn based 🙂
Time does not stop, the game is just turn based...time for the enemies is pretty much always stopped until its their turn and vice versa...
Nothing in that video suggests he flew 5 miles in that time, there is no scale we're given, it was just a neat effect for a trailer.
Also, I love BT's glaring double standards when it comes to "just gameplay." If Sephiroth has to show something in a cutscene for it to be canon, then Kain doesn't have half the powers you claim he does, seeing as how many of them appear only in one game in game play.