Originally posted by Kinneary
The writers haven't said anything about Vulcan being closer to Earth. In fact, it's been stated multiple times that it's just a parallel universe, the same as the mirror universe. Everything's the same up until a certain point, and in the new movie the divergence point is Nero coming back in time. It's simply alternate realities, and in the new one they can travel much faster than in the prime reality.
i agree with this completely. nothing has been said about the initial changes to the prime universe - other than Nero's presents - therefore everything we're speculating now is exactly that - speculation.
I think Abrams expects us to read into it with our vivid imaginations so that he doesn't have to explain every tiny insignificant little detail to those us the new/old star trek fandom, instead we debate it.
Obviously they made the ships faster for dramatic effect, but that doesn't change the fact that in order to do so the ships would have to be faster, not the planets closer.
this i only partly agree with, i agree the ships were made to look faster for dramatic affect, but i don't think they were actually faster. Although browsing Memory Alpha just would suggest i'm wrong about the distance between Earth and Vulcan - perfectly accepted my defeat.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No no, go into detail. I'm interested in what you have to say.Because if you can connect quantum physics to the astrophysics world and explain how a planet is supposed to move AFTER another ship from the future enters the past and, thereby, creates a parallel universe, you, my friend, would not only explain how to avoid some time paradoxes, you would have also discovered the fabled Grand Unified Theory.
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If you have discovered it and you're holding out on us, that's really big d*ck move. 😠
however i'll still try and answer this question.
as you probably already know significant events that can occur will inevitably create multiple alternative universes that will change according to what happens - e.g. Driving a car down a road, coming up to a T junction whereby multiple events could happen, carry on, turn left, turn right, turn back, stop altogether, have a heart attack and die, turn left but get hit by a lorry coming the other way etc.
now from what i've read about quantum mechanics and time travel is this - no two atoms/molecules can exist in the same space at the same time without repercussions (nero doesn't exist in this time fram therefore it doesn't apply, spock does though). also that - backwards time traveling will alter the inevitable flow of time from the exact moment of time you entered the past regardless of what you do there. now i can't exactly quote equations or formula about the theory of this but i can relay the basis of what i've read and understood.
basic physics teaches - matter cannot be created or destroyed, simply relocated in a different form (dissolve, fuse, oxygenate etc.) or location.
those few things in mind, time traveling back to wherever with a massive ship - in nero's case - would not break this basic physics law, but some might suggest it does, but it does break the quantum physics law about two atoms coexisting. this in mind, the changes would occur from the exact moment he's seen by the USS Kelvin. This can be anything from significant changes to tiny changes. In this case something more happens altering the flow of time once more, in destroying the Kelvin, nero secures that this reality will be majorly different from our "prime" reality.
quantum mechanics suggests that any change to a reality can by anything from someone being a man as opposed to a women to anything as far fetched as time flow seemingly moving backwards for the traveler - thank you red dwarf. so it's not as far fetched as some might think that Vulcan could swing from it's initial orbit around it's star to a completely different solar system to start orbiting that star instead. although, following the events in star trek this might be considered somewhat far fetched.
