Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes weakness is more mental that can be overcome, plus supes has never used speed agaisnt BA or CM so under the full capcity rules he would...which IMO is enough to beast them in h2h bouts.
Superman is faster then cap and ba. But to the point that he can blitz them.
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Originally posted by I'm Bran
Lulz at the Galen trolling.Superman stops at Billy, and if he's extremely lucky... Adam.
Supes can clear this but he needs to be willing to kill, i do agree with galen its kinda a mental thing. If hes dipped and has more then a days rest then yes i think he can do it. And when i mean a rest i mean a days resting in the sun. Sunn dipping is cheating really. Your giving superman a amp guys . But if you want to compare a amped supes to the marvels then i suggest we take a amped marvel. say DOV captian marvel. Or lets say the new marvel shazam combo.
Just tired of the one sidedness here. Lets pit supes up against someone in his back yard. lets set the situation up totally to his advantage. Lets give him a sundipped and pit him p against a peer hero while hes sundipped and give this oponent nothing. Come folks.
captian marvel has beat supes on several occasions and it goes both ways.
BA and supes have never beat each other.
Originally posted by zeel
Supes can clear this but he needs to be willing to kill
You think he can clear the gauntlet?? Or clear it with a sundip?
Originally posted by zeel
Just tired of the one sidedness here. Lets pit supes up against someone in his back yard. lets set the situation up totally to his advantage. Lets give him a sundipped and pit him p against a peer hero while hes sundipped and give this oponent nothing. Come folks.
Uh, what?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
How do u figure, picky favorites now or something. I said my opinion on the topic, and when u asked to stop I did. The guy wants to take shots at me for no good reason....in my book thats trolling.
this:
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Your'e like Raoul......combat speed is what's needed.
oh, and before i forget...
Originally posted by Badabing
facepalm
For the record, Superman has plenty of crazy victories without needing the added power boost of a sundip. The man is "Slugfest King" for a reason.
1. Martian Manhunter- Tough fight, but the OP screwed J'onn over. He needs most of his powerset to beat Kal. Without his shifting and other powers, he can't win.
2. Wonder Woman- Same problem. She can't go toes with him, but her sheer skill makes it a good match, but a bit one sided.
3. Captain Marvel- Classic fight. Many people say the magic thing is the clincher, but they would need to also remember that Superman has a tendency to just power through things. Good fight all the same.
4. Black Adam- Same as above, but BA has the flaw of being a hothead. More ruthless, but not as tactical as Superman, though his trick of spamming the Shazam bolt is a doozy. Superman can beat him, but he'll be a bit busted up.
5. Kurse- Hard to call. Kurse is a slug, but given the punishment this guy took, Superman may have to wear him down. He's not going to touch Superman, but unless Superman has some iron, this could take awhile.
6. War Hulk- No version of Hulk can beat Superman. Not if Superman actually uses his powers.
7. Thanos- A brick easily on par with Superman, but this is Superman's arena. And once again, speed kills. Technically, Thanos can levitate, so flight should be ok.
8. Onslaught's physical form- The OP strikes again! 😛 Onslaught did not demonstrate anywhere near the power to fight Superman in fisticuffs.
9. Mindless Hulk- Epic lulz at anyone who thinks a totally brain-dead Hulk has more of a chance than the rest of this gauntlet.
I said earlier he can clear it. None of these guys are beyond his ability to beat. A day of rest will help him heal pretty fast. He might stop at Adam, but if he gets past there, he's clearing it. The rest of the gauntlet is simply too damn slow. Incidently, no exotic powers? Does that mean he can't use enhanced senses or perception? Or vibrate to intangibility?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
For the record, Superman has plenty of crazy victories without needing the added power boost of a sundip. The man is "Slugfest King" for a reason.1. Martian Manhunter- Tough fight, but the OP screwed J'onn over. He needs most of his powerset to beat Kal. Without his shifting and other powers, he can't win.
2. Wonder Woman- Same problem. She can't go toes with him, but her sheer skill makes it a good match, but a bit one sided.
3. Captain Marvel- Classic fight. Many people say the magic thing is the clincher, but they would need to also remember that Superman has a tendency to just power through things. Good fight all the same.
4. Black Adam- Same as above, but BA has the flaw of being a hothead. More ruthless, but not as tactical as Superman, though his trick of spamming the Shazam bolt is a doozy. Superman can beat him, but he'll be a bit busted up.
5. Kurse- Hard to call. Kurse is a slug, but given the punishment this guy took, Superman may have to wear him down. He's not going to touch Superman, but unless Superman has some iron, this could take awhile.
6. War Hulk- No version of Hulk can beat Superman. Not if Superman actually uses his powers.
7. Thanos- A brick easily on par with Superman, but this is Superman's arena. And once again, speed kills. Technically, Thanos can levitate, so flight should be ok.
8. Onslaught's physical form- The OP strikes again! 😛 Onslaught did not demonstrate anywhere near the power to fight Superman in fisticuffs.
9. Mindless Hulk- Epic lulz at anyone who thinks a totally brain-dead Hulk has more of a chance than the rest of this gauntlet.Incidently, no exotic powers? Does that mean he can't use enhanced senses or perception? Or vibrate to intangibility?
1. Martian Manhunter - Superman wins this but is pushed.
2. Wonder Woman - Superman barely wins this but does due to superior power.
3. Captain Marvel - Captain Marvel loses because of durability issues.
4. Black Adam - loses because of durability issues as well.
5. Kurse - This is where Superman takes a dive, he just doesn't have the power to deal with Kurse, Superman has the speed to avoid being hit by Kurse, but many others have as slow as Kurse have hit him in the past.
6. War Hulk - See Kurse
7. Thanos - Thanos just slaughters him.
8. Onslaught's physical form - See Thanos
9. Mindless Hulk - See Kurse
Originally posted by zeel
You guys do realize that if superman and captian marvel switched spots in the world of D.C. OK now they both kept their abilities nothing was changed. That crossover would have went diffrent. D.C will not ever alow anyone to beat supes in a crossover and thats the way it is.
The only time I remember this not being the case is the JLA/Witchblade crossover where the Witchblade power thrashed Supes to within an inch of his life in about 2 seconds and 3 panels, and Supes went to hospital.
Originally posted by Raoul
i keep wondering whether kurse should be higher on the list...
Probably so. Then again, 5-9 should be re-arranged entirely if we're going by weakest to strongest. I like the way things have turned out in terms of responses, though; some posters have said he clears it (or at least has a good shot), while others have said Kurse, Black Adam, or Captain Marvel can stop him. Makes for good debates for the most part, IMO.
Originally posted by Harbinger
Probably so. Then again, 5-9 should be re-arranged entirely if we're going by weakest to strongest. I like the way things have turned out in terms of responses, though; some posters have said he clears it (or at least has a good shot), while others have said Kurse, Black Adam, or Captain Marvel can stop him. Makes for good debates for the most part, IMO.
yeah, 11 pages isn't bad...
Originally posted by Raoul
i keep wondering whether kurse should be higher on the list...
IMO, Kurse is right where he should be. I'd change 7, 8, and 9 to:
7. Onslaught
8. Thanos
9. Mindless Hulk
And Raoul, I wonder if you'll agree with something. To me, when Supes blitzes, his punches don't pack the same power behind them. I think that's why when he generally wants to do some major damage, he goes into 'brick mode' so to speak. I see it as the difference between a bunch of jabs, and a haymaker.
And:
Is the kinda stuff I'm talking about. I'm sure if I looked harder, I could find other examples. What I'm trying to say is that anyone who says Supes clears this because of his speed, is a bit off. And hell, some of the guys on this list - Kurse and up - would end up doing to Supes what Konvikt did to Flash when Flash blitzed him (Trinity #3, I think).
Martian Manhunter definitely goes down. He doesn't have the speed or strength or durability to hang with Superman for very long.
Wonder Woman goes down too, but this is a better fight at least because of her handspeed.
Captain Marvel could stop him. Comparable strength and speed. And as far as durability-wise goes, him getting the shit beaten out of him by DOV Spectre always stands out in my mind. He can hang with Supes and this can go either way.
Black Adam is another story, IMO. Same as Billy but absolutely ruthless. Supes can pull a few, but I wouldn't give him a majority.
He's not beating Kurse. Let's use the JLA/Avengers stuff to illustrate that point: in it, Superman is clearly stronger than Thor. Not by an overwhelming lot, but enough to catch his hammer (straining to do it) and hold it there. Very impressive. But Kurse is four times stronger than Thor. With absolutely insane durability and stamina. A few hits is going to royally f*ck Supes up.
War Hulk is basically the same story in a different package. Enough strength to easily stop Juggernaut and toss him hundreds of yards, as well as lift a pyramid one-handed. Plus, people forget this - but Hulk has superspeed, too. On par with Spiderman, according to the official handbook of the MU. And that's amped by the Celestial tech he's wearing.
Thanos owns his ass, hard. This is the guy who nearlly killed SS by punching him six times. SS has, at least, the same level of durability as Supes. Thanos does have decent handspeed (moreso than Konvikt or Eiling or Lobo, etc.) He's also got an incredible knowledge of combat techniques and a lot of battle experience himself. And his durability is superior to Superman's. Enough to shrug off Mjolnir throws and walk through Odin's amped blasts.
He's got a chance against Onslaught, but it isn't much of one. That's really all I have to say about this one.
Mindless Hulk, yeah, no way. This guy caused Thor to get knocked on his ass just from the shockwave of his punches. His strength >>> Superman's. Ditto with durability, healing factor, etc. Picture a tank on steroids and you have Mindless Hulk.
Originally posted by Enyalus
And Raoul, I wonder if you'll agree with something. To me, when Supes blitzes, his punches don't pack the same power behind them. I think that's why when he generally wants to do some major damage, he goes into 'brick mode' so to speak. I see it as the difference between a bunch of jabs, and a haymaker.And:
Is the kinda stuff I'm talking about. I'm sure if I looked harder, I could find other examples. What I'm trying to say is that anyone who says Supes clears this because of his speed, is a bit off. And hell, some of the guys on this list - Kurse and up - would end up doing to Supes what Konvikt did to Flash when Flash blitzed him (Trinity #3, I think).
i actually don't agree, but i could see why you feel that way.
the way i see it is that superman generally only blitzes people that he can't put down with one or two punches.
i mean, you could even argue that his blitz had weakened doomsday's durability if you wanted, imo...
i also think that there's a BIG element of dramatic effect involved when writing the story. a big haymaker is always going to look that much more badass than a blurry blitz followed by the enemy falling over.
as far as the list goes, i just don't see mindless hulk being that high when you have kurse who, from what i read, can only be hurt by iron...
Originally posted by Enyalus
IMO, Kurse is right where he should be. I'd change 7, 8, and 9 to:7. Onslaught
8. Thanos
9. Mindless HulkAnd Raoul, I wonder if you'll agree with something. To me, when Supes blitzes, his punches don't pack the same power behind them. I think that's why when he generally wants to do some major damage, he goes into 'brick mode' so to speak. I see it as the difference between a bunch of jabs, and a haymaker.
Is the kinda stuff I'm talking about. I'm sure if I looked harder, I could find other examples. What I'm trying to say is that anyone who says Supes clears this because of his speed, is a bit off. And hell, some of the guys on this list - Kurse and up - would end up doing to Supes what Konvikt did to Flash when Flash blitzed him (Trinity #3, I think).
Martian Manhunter definitely goes down. He doesn't have the speed or strength or durability to hang with Superman for very long.
Wonder Woman goes down too, but this is a better fight at least because of her handspeed.
Captain Marvel could stop him. Comparable strength and speed. And as far as durability-wise goes, him getting the shit beaten out of him by DOV Spectre always stands out in my mind. He can hang with Supes and this can go either way.
Black Adam is another story, IMO. Same as Billy but absolutely ruthless. Supes can pull a few, but I wouldn't give him a majority.
He's not beating Kurse. Let's use the JLA/Avengers stuff to illustrate that point: in it, Superman is clearly stronger than Thor. Not by an overwhelming lot, but enough to catch his hammer (straining to do it) and hold it there. Very impressive. But Kurse is four times stronger than Thor. With absolutely insane durability and stamina. A few hits is going to royally f*ck Supes up.
War Hulk is basically the same story in a different package. Enough strength to easily stop Juggernaut and toss him hundreds of yards, as well as lift a pyramid one-handed. Plus, people forget this - but Hulk has superspeed, too. On par with Spiderman, according to the official handbook of the MU. And that's amped by the Celestial tech he's wearing.
Thanos owns his ass, hard. This is the guy who nearlly killed SS by punching him six times. SS has, at least, the same level of durability as Supes. Thanos does have decent handspeed (moreso than Konvikt or Eiling or Lobo, etc.) He's also got an incredible knowledge of combat techniques and a lot of battle experience himself. And his durability is superior to Superman's. Enough to shrug off Mjolnir throws and walk through Odin's amped blasts.
He's got a chance against Onslaught, but it isn't much of one. That's really all I have to say about this one.
Mindless Hulk, yeah, no way. This guy caused Thor to get knocked on his ass just from the shockwave of his punches. His strength >>> Superman's. Ditto with durability, healing factor, etc. Picture a tank on steroids and you have Mindless Hulk.
I think Galen is right, blitzing doesn't reduce the power of Superman's punches. in fact, the added velocity probably makes them hit harder.
So many things wrong with this post. 🙄
Martian can win, but not in a slugfest. He needs his molecular manipulation, among other things, to win.
Handspeed? she's not equal to Superman in that, it's her sheer skill that gives her an edge.
DOV is not valid as a feat for Captain Marvel, given that he was massively amped by the Rock of Eternity. Also, Superman is flat out a much better fighter. Magic aside, Superman has dynamic strength and as he said to Thor, "The dials go up to 11!" 😛
I agree that Adam might stop him, but mainly because he might be tired from fighting Billy. In a straight fight, Superman can pull it out.
He can't go toes with Kurse. if he uses his speed to dodge blows and hammer Kurse, he can win it. But if he has to stand there and take the hits, he's probably screwed.
STOP. War Hulk did not stop Juggs with strength. It was the Celestial tech, and 2nd, I believe Juggernaut was losing power due to Cyttorak. Spiderman level superspeed? 😂 Against someone who hits Mach combat speed, that's nothing. Against the insane combat speed of Superman, garbage.
"Thanos owns his ass, hard. This is the guy who nearlly killed SS by punching him six times. SS has, at least, the same level of durability as Supes. Thanos does have decent handspeed (moreso than Konvikt or Eiling or Lobo, etc.) He's also got an incredible knowledge of combat techniques and a lot of battle experience himself. And his durability is superior to Superman's. Enough to shrug off Mjolnir throws and walk through Odin's amped blasts."
Outright exagerations and bald-faced lies. Superman's pure durability is greater than Surfer's. He's tanked Omega Beams, Doomsday's assaults, an onslaught of Gog's, having his heart torn out, and freaking ENTROPY. Decent handspeed? Prove it. 😐 Also, stopping a blitz from Flash>>>any speed feat in Thanos's career. And Eiling&Lobo both not only have considerable superspeed, but superior durability to either Superman or Thanos. Thanos did not shrug off Mjolnir except for a clone. And he did not walk through Odin's blasts. He got his ass knocked down. 👇
Without his Psi powers, Onslaught's physical prowess is questionable at best.
Mindless Huc? 🙄 No feats on par with Superman. And Thor jobs like crazy to Hulk most of the time.
Originally posted by EnyalusYou think he can clear the gauntlet?? Or clear it with a sundip?
Uh, what? [/B]
if he clears this he better be sundipped. He is not clearing this un dipped with one days rest. he wont make it past CM unless hes properly rested. He wont make it past BA unless hes willing to kill him. BA hits harder then cap due to the fact he dont hold punches. Supes better be willing to kill him.
And as far as thanos goes. I dont care how strong supes is. Its not enough. Supes only chance here is to be sundipped and go for a K.O. thanos is just to smart for to fall to a slugger like supes.
