Sweet, didn't know he could fight that fast....although Supes is equally fast to Jay as well. Guess Supes has better MA talent and striking power still and durability.
Edit: Woops didn't notice he and jay were fighting at the speed of lighting which would mean they were fighting at 93,000 miles per second...probably the fasted quantified combat speed I've seen. Although supes was still fast enough to fight at 4 different points of the globe under a minute...still seems faster IMO.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Martian can win, but not in a slugfest. He needs his molecular manipulation, among other things, to win.
Duh? That's what I said.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Handspeed? she's not equal to Superman in that, it's her sheer skill that gives her an edge.
According to a JLA issue she does.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
DOV is not valid as a feat for Captain Marvel, given that he was massively amped by the Rock of Eternity.
🙄 Try again. Before he got the amp from other mages, he was still holding his own.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Magic aside, Superman has dynamic strength and as he said to Thor, "The dials go up to 11!" 😛
YAY!! ....Whoopty shit.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I agree that Adam might stop him, but mainly because he might be tired from fighting Billy. In a straight fight, Superman can pull it out.
Doubtful. But possible.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He can't go toes with Kurse. if he uses his speed to dodge blows and hammer Kurse, he can win it. But if he has to stand there and take the hits, he's probably screwed.
And while he's running around punching Kurse, Kurse is going to stomp the ground, hit Superman's jaw so hard its going to break, and then beat on his ass hard until he's nothing but a bloody pulp.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
STOP. War Hulk did not stop Juggs with strength. It was the Celestial tech,
Again - Duh? The celestial tech amps Hulk's strength. I never insinuated otherwise.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Outright exagerations and bald-faced lies.
No.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Superman's pure durability is greater than Surfer's.
No.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's tanked Omega Beams, Doomsday's assaults, an onslaught of Gog's, having his heart torn out, and freaking ENTROPY.
1. He's protected by the Source.
2. You mean getting wrecked three times? Sure thing.
3. You mean getting wrecked? Sure thing.
4. You mean getting saved by DS's boomtube? Sure thing.
Who's the one telling 'bold faced lies'?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest[/b]
Decent handspeed? [b]Prove it. 😐
Thanos Quest, Marvel Comics Presents 109 & 110, and Cosmic Powers.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Also, stopping a blitz from Flash>>>any speed feat in Thanos's career.
Ducking a bullrush from Silver Surfer who was traveling at 31.5 million times the speed of light > stopping a blitz from Flash.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Thanos did not shrug off Mjolnir except for a clone.
Don't get all your info from KMC. You're wrong.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And he did not walk through Odin's blasts.
Yes he did. It's in the respect thread - look for it.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Mindless Huc? 🙄 No feats on par with Superman. And Thor jobs like crazy to Hulk most of the time.
What the **** you are talking about? Did you even read the Onslaught saga? Thor and Hulk were on the same side. Mindless Hulk's blows against Onslaught's form were causing shockwave powerful enough to knock Thor on his ass. Mindless Hulk is a complete beast with, apparently, celestial level strength. Picture Superman in a slugfest with HP DD, without being able to fly, without his energy weapons, and without his HV.
Got that visual? Good. That's what Superman would be like fighting Mindless Hulk in this thread with the OP's stipulations.
No way in hell Superman clears this gauntlet.
Wow, so many faults with Eny post yet again...but anyhow thats beside the point. Since supes is barred from any exotic powers I still fail to see why he couldnt use his superior MA talent,striking power.durability and super speed to clear this gauntlet. Only real problems being BA and kurse whom i think he would edge out...LMAO at celestial strength Hulk lol.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Except that Superman doesn't have superior striking power or durability when compared to a lot of these guys. And some of them he doesn't have superior speed, either.Do you live under a bridge, Galen?
How do you figure, supes has ultalized speed in combat...most everyone here hasn't. By that sheer virtue no one on thos gauntlet except maybe BA and WW would be able to touch him...and supes level strikes have a tendecy to KO more often then not. He clears it easily...although kurse and BA would be the biggest issue.
CM and BA are roughly Superman's equal in strength. And 5-9 are stronger than him. Thus, they'd have superior striking power. Also - Thanos is actually immune to pressure point strikes, so I really fail to see what superior MA will grant him against most of these guys - guys like Kurse, who don't have pressure points at all.
Durablity, I'm not even going to touch. Suffice to say, none of these guys get one-shotted by Konvikt or get dropped by Doomsday or manhandled by The General or get blasted into the ground by Wonder Woman.
Enyalus, your trollish, one-sided, out of context, reported posts end now. You're either relying on a single scan to derive your opinions or just extremely biased. I don't know what comics you've read but 90% of what you post goes against what was written and shown. Warnings will be coming swiftly if this doesn't change. You'd be wise not to show up in the reports for a long while.
Originally posted by EnyalusDuh? That's what I said.
"According to a JLA issue she does. "
🙄 Try again. Before he got the amp from other mages, he was still holding his own.
"YAY!! ....Whoopty shit."
Doubtful. But possible.
"And while he's running around punching Kurse, Kurse is going to stomp the ground, hit Superman's jaw so hard its going to break, and then beat on his ass hard until he's nothing but a bloody pulp."
Again - Duh? The celestial tech amps Hulk's strength. I never insinuated otherwise.
No.
No.
"1. He's protected by the Source.
2. You mean getting wrecked three times? Sure thing.
3. You mean getting wrecked? Sure thing.
4. You mean getting saved by DS's boomtube? Sure thing.Who's the one telling 'bold faced lies'?"
Thanos Quest, Marvel Comics Presents 109 & 110, and Cosmic Powers.
"Ducking a bullrush from Silver Surfer who was traveling at 31.5 million times the speed of light > stopping a blitz from Flash."
"Don't get all your info from KMC. You're wrong."
"Yes he did. It's in the respect thread - look for it."
I read the fight, he was standing, but let's not exagerate. It's obvious Odin had him dead to rights.
What the **** you are talking about? Did you even read the Onslaught saga? Thor and Hulk were on the same side. Mindless Hulk's blows against Onslaught's form were causing shockwave powerful enough to knock Thor on his ass. Mindless Hulk is a complete beast with, apparently, celestial level strength. Picture Superman in a slugfest with HP DD, without being able to fly, without his energy weapons, and without his HV.
Got that visual? Good. That's what Superman would be like fighting Mindless Hulk in this thread with the OP's stipulations.
No way in hell Superman clears this gauntlet. [/B]
"According to a JLA issue she does. "
Disputed by his hundreds of superior speed feats. I concede that she may appear faster due to skill, but not in terms of pure speed. Besides, let's see Wondy rebuild a city in 2 panels.
🙄 Try again. Before he got the amp from other mages, he was still holding his own.
I do not dispute his high end durability, just that Superman has better feats.
"YAY!! ....Whoopty shit."
*sigh* You claim Huc has infinite strength, no arguements. But nobody believes it for Superman despite a wealth of evidence.
"And while he's running around punching Kurse, Kurse is going to stomp the ground, hit Superman's jaw so hard its going to break, and then beat on his ass hard until he's nothing but a bloody pulp."
missed the point, eh? HOW DOES HE HIT HIM? Thor is a slug. Superman is not.
"Yes he did. It's in the respect thread - look for it."
"1. He's protected by the Source.
2. You mean getting wrecked three times? Sure thing.
3. You mean getting wrecked? Sure thing.
4. You mean getting saved by DS's boomtube? Sure thing.
Who's the one telling 'bold faced lies'?" 1. Despite my own personal attempts to prove it, along with others, there is no source protection for Superman. srug
2. Find someone who can do better. 😐 No, seriously. Doomsday is a monster. The fact that he did as well as he did is a credit. And you seem to think very little of DD&Shaggy Man. Both of whom would mow down this gauntlet quite easily.
3. DUDE, he got ganked by an unlimited supply of Gogs. Give the man his due. 😒 He was having a heart attack and being poisoned by K-nite, and he still did pretty well in a hopeless fight.
4. Wrong instance. This was when he got hit by the Aegis, not Imperiex. Nice try. 😉
"Thanos Quest, Marvel Comics Presents 109 & 110, and Cosmic Powers."
Feats? Because Thanos is called a slug here for a reason.
"Ducking a bullrush from Silver Surfer who was traveling at 31.5 million times the speed of light > stopping a blitz from Flash." Scans? And Flash can screw with physics in a way that Surfer can't, so his blitzes are much more dangerous.
"Don't get all your info from KMC. You're wrong."
A forcefield is not shrugging it off. and He went flying from it once.
"Yes he did. It's in the respect thread - look for it."
I read the fight, he was standing, but let's not exagerate. It's obvious Odin had him dead to rights.
"What the **** you are talking about? Did you even read the Onslaught saga? Thor and Hulk were on the same side. Mindless Hulk's blows against Onslaught's form were causing shockwave powerful enough to knock Thor on his ass. Mindless Hulk is a complete beast with, apparently, celestial level strength. Picture Superman in a slugfest with HP DD, without being able to fly, without his energy weapons, and without his HV.
Got that visual? Good. That's what Superman would be like fighting Mindless Hulk in this thread with the OP's stipulations."
Celestial level strength? hysterical2 That's hilarious. When Hulk starts throwing planets, let me know. Onslaught wanted his shell broken. 2nd, Onslaught MINUS HIS PSI-POWERS, aka the bulk of his abilities, according to the OP, is an unknown, and almost assuredly nowhere near Superman's match.
Thor was knocked on his ass, so what? That's a non-feat. People have been knocked on their ass before. Batman knocked Solomon Grundy on his ass before, does that mean he's stronger than Grundy? 🙄
Just stop. Doomsday is in a whole other league. Mindless Hulk cannot ressurect from death. He cannot adapt to energy weapons. He cannot create energy canceling attacks, or adapt to energies on the fly. He cannot blitz people like Darkseid, Superman, etc. Not to mention, once again, SPEED KILLS.
Game, set, and match, troll. 😎
Originally posted by Enyalus
CM and BA are roughly Superman's equal in strength. And 5-9 are stronger than him. Thus, they'd have superior striking power. Also - Thanos is actually immune to pressure point strikes, so I really fail to see what superior MA will grant him against most of these guys - guys like Kurse, who don't have pressure points at all.Durablity, I'm not even going to touch. Suffice to say, none of these guys get one-shotted by Konvikt or get dropped by Doomsday or manhandled by The General or get blasted into the ground by Wonder Woman.
Almost all of this is completly false or strongly out of context....seriously I wish I had enough hours in the day to deal with ur garbage.
Originally posted by Enyalus
IMO, Kurse is right where he should be. I'd change 7, 8, and 9 to:7. Onslaught
8. Thanos
9. Mindless HulkAnd Raoul, I wonder if you'll agree with something. To me, when Supes blitzes, his punches don't pack the same power behind them. I think that's why when he generally wants to do some major damage, he goes into 'brick mode' so to speak. I see it as the difference between a bunch of jabs, and a haymaker.
And:
Is the kinda stuff I'm talking about. I'm sure if I looked harder, I could find other examples. What I'm trying to say is that anyone who says Supes clears this because of his speed, is a bit off. And hell, some of the guys on this list - Kurse and up - would end up doing to Supes what Konvikt did to Flash when Flash blitzed him (Trinity #3, I think).
Martian Manhunter definitely goes down. He doesn't have the speed or strength or durability to hang with Superman for very long.
Wonder Woman goes down too, but this is a better fight at least because of her handspeed.
Captain Marvel could stop him. Comparable strength and speed. And as far as durability-wise goes, him getting the shit beaten out of him by DOV Spectre always stands out in my mind. He can hang with Supes and this can go either way.
Black Adam is another story, IMO. Same as Billy but absolutely ruthless. Supes can pull a few, but I wouldn't give him a majority.
He's not beating Kurse. Let's use the JLA/Avengers stuff to illustrate that point: in it, Superman is clearly stronger than Thor. Not by an overwhelming lot, but enough to catch his hammer (straining to do it) and hold it there. Very impressive. But Kurse is four times stronger than Thor. With absolutely insane durability and stamina. A few hits is going to royally f*ck Supes up.
War Hulk is basically the same story in a different package. Enough strength to easily stop Juggernaut and toss him hundreds of yards, as well as lift a pyramid one-handed. Plus, people forget this - but Hulk has superspeed, too. On par with Spiderman, according to the official handbook of the MU. And that's amped by the Celestial tech he's wearing.
Thanos owns his ass, hard. This is the guy who nearlly killed SS by punching him six times. SS has, at least, the same level of durability as Supes. Thanos does have decent handspeed (moreso than Konvikt or Eiling or Lobo, etc.) He's also got an incredible knowledge of combat techniques and a lot of battle experience himself. And his durability is superior to Superman's. Enough to shrug off Mjolnir throws and walk through Odin's amped blasts.
He's got a chance against Onslaught, but it isn't much of one. That's really all I have to say about this one.
Mindless Hulk, yeah, no way. This guy caused Thor to get knocked on his ass just from the shockwave of his punches. His strength >>> Superman's. Ditto with durability, healing factor, etc. Picture a tank on steroids and you have Mindless Hulk.
To me this is the best post on the forum and if you want more examples of superman blitz punches compared to his more slower and harder punches look at his fight with equus. His blitz punches did minimum damage but when he went for haymaker it ripped him up.
Re: Superman Runs a Slugfest Gauntlet
Originally posted by Harbinger
No weapons or exotic powers allowed here. When Supes faces non-flyers, he cannot fly, but can do so against anyone else.He gets a day of rest in between fights. How does he fare?
1. Martian Manhunter
2. Wonder Woman
3. Captain Marvel
4. Black Adam
[b]5. Kurse
6. War Hulk
7. Thanos
8. Onslaught's physical form
9. Mindless Hulk [/B]
No way in hell does superman get past Kurse. Kurse was originally twice as strong as classic Thor, and was then doubled in power AGAIN by the beyonder. Even with the belt of strength, Thor is only half as strong as Kurse is. If we take the Thor vs. Superman fight as canon, Superman is stronger than thor, but not THAT much stronger. He gets owned here. Badly.
Kurse is also running around in a sentient suit of enchanted armor with spikes and crap all over it. Superman tries to punch that, he breaks his hand.
After going through MM, WW, Captain Marvel AND Black Adam before hitting Kurse, he dies. period.
As for 6.) War Hulk (well...any version of hulk, really) has a healing factor that makes wolverine's look like a joke. without some rather exotic use of speed and/or bfr (which are banned from this fight) he loses here, too. There's no way to put that version of hulk down just by punching it.
7.) Can naturally amp his strength and durability to levels Odin was having trouble contending with. He's also a much better fighter. extremely unlikely he gets anywhere here, either.
8.) should be self explanatory, though it's hard to imagine a fight here without use of "exotic" powers since onslaught wasn't a brawler. It was a psionic/magnetic entity with nigh unbreakable armor. It took Mjolnir to crack it, and a COMPLETELY unleashed hulk to break it. Superman isn't on that level, especially after (through some miracle) getting through 1-7.
9.) is misplaced in the list. mindless hulk is strong but has no intelligence or fighting skills to speak of. I'd put it much lower, since anyone with sufficient fighting skill might be able to find a way to dodge it until it wears out, or use techniques that turn it' strength against it.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, the narrative just says they move like the lightning bolts on their chests. There is a difference between "like" the lightning bolts and "as fast as" the lightning bolts.
It's a reference of speed which is the point, and considering the characters history and context of the narrative and especially the"seeing people as statues"comment...even if it isn't exactly the speed of lighting they are still fighting at a comparable speed which is still very impressive.
