Superman Runs a Slugfest Gauntlet

Originally posted by Enyalus
Bottom line: It's not combat. Wonder Woman has deflected both Superman's HV and Amazo's HV easily. She's blocked bullet-like stingers, about 1500 in a second according to Flash. She's stopped Flash before. She's tagged Zoom with her lasso while he was moving, when she was blind, etc.

It isn't complete fantasy to say that Diana's combat speed is superior, even when her overall speed isn't. Especially when its stated on panel, twice.

It's not combat, sure, but it's still applicable to combat. You'd have to be an idiot to think/say otherwise. Or perhaps, you are suggesting that for whatever reason, he wouldn't be able to apply that kind of speed when facing an opponent ?

Superman has proven that he is faster than his heat vision. Here's one instance, where Flash accelerates faster than Superman's heat vision, yet a page later Superman is catching up and going head to head with him.

Flash is faster than Wonder Woman. Zoom is faster than Wonder Woman. Proven for both. In the instance you are talking about, Zoom was blitzing the shit out of her the whole issue, and Wonder Woman only managed to catch him with the lasso due to him being off-balance after she throws stones and him (not to mention the PIS nature of all of this).

As for Diana being faster than Superman, this pretty much sums it up:

She isn't faster. You're reffering to the Amazo and recent conversation instances, right ? Well, those are written by the same writer. After the Amazo one, he was called on this idiocy in a discussion, which resulted in the atrocity you just witnessed.

Originally posted by Enyalus
When has she needed to do such a thing when she can, in fact, simply deflect it? C'mon.

That's the thing she deflects things that's her style however it doesn't change the fact that Supes has moved faster in combat situations. It doesn't change the fact that raising your wrists to deflect projectiles isn't as impressive as outracing said projectiles or simply moving your molecules so fast you vibrate through projectiles.

If you want to say she has better hand speed Supes has disassembled Henshaw with his handspeed -ripped up a cyborg with kryptonian physiology just by moving his hands at super speed.

Further Supes has dealt with WW's hand speed and blocked her every strike in the process. When it comes to overall speed of movement Supes has her beat.

Originally posted by Raoul
he rebuilds the city. it's not flight speed. he's moving his hands fast enough to put concrete and steel together in seconds.

he's not flying at the buildings and hoping they magically repair themselves.

I agree with the superman building city feat but the darkseid is flight speed (even though that was a nice feat). Whos to say that wonder woman couldnt replicate that same feat, its easy to say that a person couldnt do something but you at least have to have some kind of evidence saying other wise. The woman did fly around the world along with superman and flash.

Her reflexes is better, her respect thread along with on panel proof proves this.

By the way, merry christmas to you all, saying it early because I wont be on on christmas day and rauol youre wrong for posting that pic on my last comment. 😆

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/7051/superman183rx.jpg

Hang on. Wouldn't the trail from the beams and afterimages make this a FTL blitz? It may also be proof that Darkseid can react at FTL. Given that he can control the beams and also how closely they follow Superman.

bumped for consideration.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with the superman building city feat but the darkseid is flight speed (even though that was a nice feat). Whos to say that wonder woman couldnt replicate that same feat, its easy to say that a person couldnt do something but you at least have to have some kind of evidence saying other wise. The woman did fly around the world along with superman and flash.

just don't call it flight speed, when it's not.

Her reflexes is better, her respect thread along with on panel proof proves this.

Originally posted by Philosophía
It's not combat, sure, but it's still applicable to combat. You'd have to be an idiot to think/say otherwise. Or perhaps, you are suggesting that for whatever reason, he wouldn't be able to apply that kind of speed when facing an opponent ?

Superman has proven that he is faster than his heat vision. Here's one instance, where Flash accelerates faster than Superman's heat vision, yet a page later Superman is catching up and going head to head with him.

Flash is faster than Wonder Woman. Zoom is faster than Wonder Woman. Proven for both. In the instance you are talking about, Zoom was blitzing the shit out of her the whole issue, and Wonder Woman only managed to catch him with the lasso due to him being off-balance after she throws stones and him (not to mention the PIS nature of all of this).

As for Diana being faster than Superman, this pretty much sums it up:

She isn't faster. You're reffering to the Amazo and recent conversation instances, right ? Well, those are written by the same writer. After the Amazo one, he was called on this idiocy in a discussion, which resulted in the atrocity you just witnessed.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
bumped for consideration.

No, it doesn't mean he's FTL. Nor would the OB be FTL, unless you've got some proof I don't know about?

As for the Diana's reflexes being faster than Supes, I don't even care. It was one small part of my post. Focused on by...I don't even remember at this point.

http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/?action=view&current=JLA43pg09.jpg

http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/?action=view&current=JLA43pg09.jpg

http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/?action=view&current=JLA40pg11.jpg

You see how easy that was.

You only posted two scans.

In the first she's just flying around....

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You only posted two scans.

In the first she's just flying around....

The 1st one she was flying around with the flash, the other ones is her moving her arms at speeds that I have yet to see superman punch at.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7786/08222005050314pm5fl.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/530/supermancatchingbullets2ww.jpg

I guess it's too much to look at the first post, first page, of the Superman respect thread.

Originally posted by Juntai
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7786/08222005050314pm5fl.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/530/supermancatchingbullets2ww.jpg

I guess it's too much to look at the first post, first page, of the Superman respect thread.

Alternate reality = fail.

Especially when that's the same alternate reality arc where Superman shatters Diana's bracers with a punch.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Alternate reality = fail.

Especially when that's the same alternate reality arc where Superman shatters Diana's bracers with a punch.

First scan might not be fully valid.

He still caught bullets just as fast in the second scan.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Alternate reality = fail.

Especially when that's the same alternate reality arc where Superman shatters Diana's bracers with a punch.

Luckily, there's two examples there, in case the first one is too much of a stretch for you.
🙄

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
First scan might not be fully valid.

He still caught bullets just as fast in the second scan.

Alternate Realities scans are suspect plain and simple.

I don't get this... How did the argument turn into Superman vs WW combat speed competition. I know most except Galen and TP have said supes gets stopped and doesn't clear it but really this is now the topic at hand page after page

Originally posted by Allankles
That's the thing she deflects things that's her style however it doesn't change the fact that Supes has moved faster in combat situations. It doesn't change the fact that raising your wrists to deflect projectiles isn't as impressive as outracing said projectiles or simply moving your molecules so fast you vibrate through projectiles.

If you want to say she has better hand speed Supes has disassembled Henshaw with his handspeed -ripped up a cyborg with kryptonian physiology just by moving his hands at super speed.

Further Supes has dealt with WW's hand speed and blocked her every strike in the process. When it comes to overall speed of movement Supes has her beat.

Originally posted by Juntai
Like I said, they were just pulled from the first post of the Superman respect thread. I barely even looked at them.

Luckily, there's two examples there, in case the first one is too much of a stretch for you.
🙄

😄 My bad. I took one look at the first scan and posted my reply. Figured the second was from the same thing.

Sorry 'bout that.

Right because we know catching bullets is so beyond the scope of his power that its completle obscure to even suggest such a thing......

Originally posted by fangirl101
That's simply not true. Superman has never blocked every strike of Wonder Woman's. Wondy has blocked DS's omegas where as Superman has never been that fast to do so. Ever.

How is Superman gonna block 'em when he doesn't have any dandy bracers?? He stopped them with his heat vision and that should be even more difficult.