Superman Runs a Slugfest Gauntlet

I honestly feel their combat speed is pretty even and tough to call. Nobody can really quantify there different speed feats. What I will say from what I've read in comics it seems WW has more combat feats then superman does. Just purely combat feats. While supes has some of those and a lot of flght feats. The scans in questions are tough to call for superman. While they could be combat feats straight by the book they aren't combat feats yet could be used in combat. So, that is tough. Point is though Supes never makes it past BA or Kurse let alone Thanos imo

Originally posted by The Great Galen
It's a reference of speed which is the point, and considering the characters history and context of the narrative and especially the"seeing people as statues"comment...even if it isn't exactly the speed of lighting they are still fighting at a comparable speed which is still very impressive.

The example I gave was also a reference of speed.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Bottom line: It's not combat. Wonder Woman has deflected both Superman's HV and Amazo's HV easily. She's blocked bullet-like stingers, about 1500 in a second according to Flash. She's stopped Flash before. She's tagged Zoom with her lasso while he was moving, when she was blind, etc.

It isn't complete fantasy to say that Diana's combat speed is superior, even when her overall speed isn't. Especially when its stated on panel, twice.

I don't see here outracing the OBs. And that's combat speed as it happened within combat range in combat. I don't see her moving her molecules so fast she turns invisible or vibrates through objects and energy attacks. Or move her hands so fast she disassembles Hank Henshaw. Supes is just plain faster.

Originally posted by carver9
Batdude post flight speed, that has nothing to do with his reflexes. I can see mimic from the exiles pulling that same feat, hell mimic outran cyclops optic blast.

YouTube video

i love this video.

It was stated on panel that Supes' speed is faster, but WW gets moves off quicker because of less lag time for thought. This is bogus because it was stated in Up, Up, and Away that Superman's mind works at the speed of light.

The whole basis for McDuffie's statement falls apart with that. Whenever there is a character conflict, the character's home book take precedent.

In conclusion, McDuffie is a tool. He understands Superman about like he understands Silver Surfer.

PS. Nothing in Supes and WW previous encounters has ever indicated that she can even match him in H2H speed, much less surpass.

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't see here outracing the OBs. And that's combat speed as it happened within combat range in combat. I don't see her moving her molecules so fast she turns invisible or vibrates through objects and energy attacks. Or move her hands so fast she disassembles Hank Henshaw. Supes is just plain faster.

She's deflected the OB right back at Darkseid before.

And her mother's vibrated between objects before. That's in the Wonder Woman respect thread. I don't know from what era it is though, or even the comic. Someone else posted it.

....Why are we on this topic again?

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
It was stated on panel that Supes' speed is faster, but WW gets moves off quicker because of less lag time for thought. This is bogus because it was stated in Up, Up, and Away that Superman's mind works at the speed of light.

...Seriously?

Again what does it matter. Supes can get beat by Marvel and BA for sure as it's already happened with Marvel. He gets stomped by Kurse and Thanos and the rest he could win.

Originally posted by Enyalus
She's deflected the OB right back at Darkseid before.

And her mother's vibrated between objects before. That's in the Wonder Woman respect thread. I don't know from what era it is though, or even the comic. Someone else posted it.

....Why are we on this topic again?

Deflecting one energy beam and outracing the OB are two different things.

Originally posted by Allankles
Deflecting one energy beam and outracing the OB are two different things.

When has she needed to do such a thing when she can, in fact, simply deflect it? C'mon.

Originally posted by Philosophía
How could I have been so wrong. I mean those .. those red lines .. they liek totally mean he just flew around the city and bam, everything was good as new.

Nut, that is flight speed, nothing more. Combat speed and flight speed is two different things and I already admitted that superman can fly faster then wonder woman (not by a huge gap though).

Originally posted by Philosophía
How could I have been so wrong. I mean those .. those red lines .. they liek totally mean he just flew around the city and bam, everything was good as new.

Now you know uhuh

Next time however, I'm bringing Bada.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Bottom line: It's not combat. Wonder Woman has deflected both Superman's HV and Amazo's HV easily. She's blocked bullet-like stingers, about 1500 in a second according to Flash. She's stopped Flash before. She's tagged Zoom with her lasso while he was moving, when she was blind, etc.

It isn't complete fantasy to say that Diana's combat speed is superior, even when her overall speed isn't. Especially when its stated on panel, twice.

Stated on-panel vs what's actually been shown on-panel.

The fact that anyone is arguing that the city feat isn't viable as an example of combat speed is retarded. 😬

I suppose then that it takes so much more concentration and skill to throw punches really really fast? durhmm

"Nut, that is flight speed, nothing more. Combat speed and flight speed is two different things and I already admitted that superman can fly faster then wonder woman (not by a huge gap though)."

............You are aware that Darkseid, as evidenced by the page, can completely control the nature, intensity and directions of his attacks? Do you not see the convoluted loops, turns, etc? And it was still chasing Superman even at the end of the beam trail.

Smells like combat speed to me. duryes

Originally posted by carver9
Nut, that is flight speed, nothing more. Combat speed and flight speed is two different things and I already admitted that superman can fly faster then wonder woman (not by a huge gap though).

Nope it's combat, and it isn't small gap in terms of flight...not even close lol.

Originally posted by carver9
Nut, that is flight speed, nothing more. Combat speed and flight speed is two different things and I already admitted that superman can fly faster then wonder woman (not by a huge gap though).

he rebuilds the city. it's not flight speed. he's moving his hands fast enough to put concrete and steel together in seconds.

he's not flying at the buildings and hoping they magically repair themselves.

I say again what does supes or WW combat speed have to do with this Gauntlet. It is because most have already concluded that Marvel can beat him so can BA so can the Hulks and certainly Thanos and Kurse can. Is that the reason we're now talking about WW vs. Superman in combat speed?

Nope, Supes clears the gauntlet and were simply clearing some misconceptions.

Originally posted by Raoul
he rebuilds the city. it's not flight speed. he's moving his hands fast enough to put concrete and steel together in seconds.

he's not flying at the buildings and hoping they magically repair themselves.

😐 😖 😂 crylaugh dur

I'm not sure whether to warn him for trolling and find him a help hotline. 😬

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/7051/superman183rx.jpg

Hang on. Wouldn't the trail from the beams and afterimages make this a FTL blitz? It may also be proof that Darkseid can react at FTL. Given that he can control the beams and also how closely they follow Superman.