Elektra vs Blade

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
How feasible and realistic a feat is doesn't dictate where or not it is PIS. Moving a planet is impossible regardless of how strong you are, yet Superman's done it. PIS is used to disregard characters jobbing against weaker characters (IE Dracula's bad showings against Blade), and examples that are contradictory to the normal portrayal of said character.

it was meant to show elektra was skilled in her aim

it is not a quantifiable strength feat by any means...unlike lifting something, we can't tell what strength is required to pull off that feat

Originally posted by Starscream M
the thing is, even if we accept that feat, it is more a skill feat than a strength feat

it was meant to show elektra was skilled in her aim

it is not a quantifiable strength feat by any means...unlike lifting something, we can't tell what strength is required to pull off that feat

So it is your contention that Elektra is so skilled that she knows the precise place on a hand gun, that if it properly will cause the shooters hand to fall off... and the precise place on kevlar that will allow a hand to pass through it unhindered... and the prices place on the chest under the kevlar that will allow a hand to pass through.

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She threw her sai with enough force to rip a mans hand off, and propel the severed hand through two layers of kevlar and his chest. It's pretty clearly an application of strength feat.

We know she throw her sai with enough strength to rip a mans hand off, and propel it, a blunt object through his chest, and that it was still air born when it exited his back. Can we quantify the exactly level of strength need for someone to do this? No, but we can estimate the lowest possible level of strength need, and alone is superior to any of Blade's strength feats.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
but we can estimate the lowest possible level of strength need

Originally posted by Starscream M
no we can't

Yes we can. We can estimate how strong you would need to throw something hard enough to rip someones hand off with a throwing weapon, and how strong you would need to be to throw a blunt object (ie a baseball) through a human body and combine the two. The kevlar part is a bit harder to classify but even without it, the feat is still a superior to all Blade's strength feats.

yeah well clearly this is WAY above peak human its plain superhuman

its like when classic kingpin crushed a guys skull with his hands or batman who punched thru metal or daredevil lifted 800 pounds like it wuz nothing. in DC & Marvel, many of em had superstrenght at one point
then they were all retconned

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Racist. uhuh

lol, what concerns me is the sheer defection to this hate and race card.
If everyone who argues against Blade is a Blade hater simply for arguing against Blade, what does that mean for Elektra?

If race influences opinions on the outcome of these fights for people when Blade's involved then does that mean that those who argue against Elektra are sexist or inherintly more inclined to argue against her based on that?

Door swings both ways, but they don't seem to get that.

Originally posted by Rhinoceros

He has shown that he can take a bullet, at the least.

and even in that example srank tried to find something wrong with it. There is nothing wrong with the Blade side the Wolverine side constantly keeps finding fault with EVERYTHING that Blade does.

As stated before I dont have a problem with Elektra being faster, stronger or more skilled. I dont have a problem with Elektra winning. What I cant stand is the constant over-analyzing and nitpicking with everything that Blade does.

Nobody is stating that Blade wins based only on the fact that hes a vamp.

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh, no. The point is that Cap didn't HAVE to use lethal force to get out of that situation TWICE.... If your argument is that Blade HAD to use lethal force to stand of chance of leaving, he's not as skilled... simple as that.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Um Blade wasnt going to use lethal force.... 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
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yeah..... I don't know about that, but that opinion of yours has nothing to do with my post. Thanks for proving you don't understand what you read.

Can anybody see the hypocrisy here? I responded to his post logically and he says that it has nothing to do with his post when it has everything to do with it. You can't win.

Anyway that fight doesnt prove that hes not as skilled it just proves that he made a bad decision.

Originally posted by jinzin

No, i'm reffering more to your, shit happens argument....
Apparently "shit happens"
Any time Blade gets into a fight with anyone that's worth a crap....

What like Morbius, Spitfire and vamped out Spiderman?

Originally posted by jinzin

So how is the possibility of Cap being superior to Elektra at all relivent to Blade?

Because somebody slightly inferior to Cap could have been takedn down by Cape killers especially when Cap had to resort using a gun and got wounded twice, thats situation has a small margin of error.

Elektra ftw. I have to say that I don't really read Elektra or Blade comics. But, I have seen some scans of Elektra/Blade's fight with Logan. And She did more than good. But from general knowledge of Blade. I wouldn't put him him on Wolverine's level. Then again, I think Logan is better than Elektra as well. But she did better than Blade did when fighting against Wolverine, imo.

Now that we are back on track, Blade wins.

A highly skilled superhuman vampire slayer with the experience to match.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Kneecaps aren't at eye-level, which is pretty much where Blade was aiming. 😬

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Are you serioulsy suggesting that he was going to attempt to kill SHIELD agents just because when he pulled out the gun it was at eye-level?

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

The Punisher doesn't have many reservations about killing. He usually gets into brawls when he doesn't have a choice. Blade doesn't like to kill people. He'll refrain from employing lethal force unless he doesn't have a choice.

The point is you stated that if somebody pulls a gun its a last resort and is an indication that the person with the gun would lose the fight.

Im pointing out to you that there are many circumstances where hes pulled a gun but still managed to stalemate or gain the advantage in the fight without the gun. The point is he pulled the gun to make his job easier but it doesnt mean he would have lost the fight.

Punisher doesnt always pulls his gun to use lethal force either eg when he was fighting MK.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

You see where this is going, right?

Calm down, you're not going anywhere. You're just making assumptions and assuming you're logic is sound.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and even in that example srank tried to find something wrong with it. There is nothing wrong with the Blade side the Wolverine side constantly keeps finding fault with EVERYTHING that Blade does.

Blade wears kevlar. Established fact. While wearing kevlar, Blade has been koed but a bullet to the chest. Also an established fact. I simply stated that based on the above statements and the fact that Blade never actually stated that he wasn't wearing kevlar (yes yes he implied it, I know), that it was possible that Blade was bluffing in order to convince Punisher. Would you prefer I just right it off as PIS like you guys do with Elektra's feats? Because given Blade's history I could easily do that and it wouldn't be a stretch... but you choose.

Blade wins. He's stronger.

biscuits

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Can anybody see the hypocrisy here? I responded to his post logically and he says that it has nothing to do with his post when it has everything to do with it. You can't win.

Anyway that fight doesnt prove that hes not as skilled it just proves that he made a bad decision.

What like Morbius, Spitfire and vamped out Spiderman?

Because somebody slightly inferior to Cap could have been takedn down by Cape killers especially when Cap had to resort using a gun and got wounded twice, thats situation has a small margin of error.

Like I said none of that jibberish had anything to do with my post, thanks for clarifying that it didn't. And once again I didn't say he did use lethal force, so you reiderating that he didn't is nothing more than a broken record...
I really don't know why you have issues following even the most simple of concepts but it truly is riciulous.....

You keep saying Blade got downed because he hesitated to use lethal force.... which would indicate that Blade could not have escaped without using lethal force... which if true, means Blade isn't as skilled as Cap... Takes more skill to handle eggs without breaking them.

It has nothing to do with hypocrisy, you just once again.... don't get it. 😬

If Blade cou;ld have as easily escaped the cape killers by just pounding into them... why didn't he?

And yes, the fight is an indication of his sklill level most certainly.... if Blade could have just as easily escaped just by fighting them off, why didn't he?

He has a losing record with Morbius, he LOST fighting a one armed Spitfire , and Vamped out Spiderman was a crazed lunatic who barely registered what was going on much less used his Spidersense.

What happened when Blade fought Spiderman who was in his right mind? He got owned.

Everytime he has to fight some non run of the mill type who isn't a vamp he tends to look bad. 😬

may maybe not, but someone slightly inferior to cap wouldn't go down near as easy either.

Originally posted by jinzin
Like I said none of that jibberish had anything to do with my post, thanks for clarifying that it didn't. And once again I didn't say he did use lethal force, so you reiderating that he didn't is nothing more than a broken record...
I really don't know why you have issues following even the most simple of concepts but it truly is riciulous.....

You keep saying Blade got downed because he hesitated to use lethal force.... which would indicate that Blade could not have escaped without using lethal force... which if true, means Blade isn't as skilled as Cap... Takes more skill to handle eggs without breaking them.

It has nothing to do with hypocrisy, you just once again.... don't get it. 😬

If Blade cou;ld have as easily escaped the cape killers by just pounding into them... why didn't he?

And yes, the fight is an indication of his sklill level most certainly.... if Blade could have just as easily escaped just by fighting them off, why didn't he?

He has a losing record with Morbius, he LOST fighting a one armed Spitfire , and Vamped out Spiderman was a crazed lunatic who barely registered what was going on much less used his Spidersense.

What happened when Blade fought Spiderman who was in his right mind? He got owned.

Everytime he has to fight some non run of the mill type who isn't a vamp he tends to look bad. 😬

may maybe not, but someone slightly inferior to cap wouldn't go down near as easy either.

Spitfire had shown she could use her bone-arm in combat, not only that the fight was a stalemate... ended with him kicking her and then grabbing her and drawing her close, which is when the fight ended.

vampiric spiderman admitted on panel he had his wits about him and was able to give detailed account of everything that happened between him going into the school and his meeting with blade.

BLade fought spiderman in his right mind when he was still written as a human, not only that spiderman threw the first punch, I would say spiderman dive-bombing an unexpected foe would hinder anyones ability.

blade going down in that fight is PIS, he has taken gun shots and been fine, hes fallen out of hellicarrier and been at the dead center of explosions, and yet a bullet against kevlar is able to KO him? That's obvious PIS.

this post is full of your bias, it's laughable.

Originally posted by Trackz
Spitfire had shown she could use her bone-arm in combat, not only that the fight was a stalemate... ended with him kicking her and then grabbing her and drawing her close, which is when the fight ended.

vampiric spiderman admitted on panel he had his wits about him and was able to give detailed account of everything that happened between him going into the school and his meeting with blade.

BLade fought spiderman in his right mind when he was still written as a human, not only that spiderman threw the first punch, I would say spiderman dive-bombing an unexpected foe would hinder anyones ability.

blade going down in that fight is PIS, he has taken gun shots and been fine, hes fallen out of hellicarrier and been at the dead center of explosions, and yet a bullet against kevlar is able to KO him? That's obvious PIS.

this post is full of your bias, it's laughable.

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Blade's "fight" with Spitfire ended at the end of the issue with him pinned to the ground and her ontop of him. I noticed how a lot of Blade's "stalemates" seem to end that way... strange huh? 🙄

And Spitfire was just trying to prove to Blade that she was incontrol, while he was trying to killer her... good show Blade, you are number one!!! 😱

Vampire Spider-man also needed Blade's assurance that he hadn't attacked anyone... yeah... he clearly was in complete control of his actions and aware of everything he did. 🙄

Blade fell out of a helicarrier? Are you talking about when he jumped out of plane, passed out form lack of oxygen and Ben had to save his ass before he hit the ground?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
While wearing kevlar, Blade has been koed but a bullet to the chest.

Originally posted by Starscream M
why do you keep bringing up PIS events? even a regular man wouldn't be KOed by a bullet while wearing kevlar

That's not entirely true. It depends on the range and caliber of the bullet but normal people can and have been koed by bullets while wearing kevlar. Blunt force trauma can stop the heart.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That's not entirely true. It depends on the range and caliber of the bullet but normal people can and have been koed by bullets while wearing kevlar. Blunt force trauma [b]can stop the heart. [/B]

anyways, blade isn't normal by any means...so that makes the event even more ridiculous, and no surprise of course you will use it 🙄

Originally posted by Starscream M
it would be very rare and pretty much only in cases where the person has some heart abnormality to begin with

anyways, blade isn't normal by any means...so that makes the event even more ridiculous, and no surprise of course you will use it 🙄

Not really. The impact of the bullet is still transferred to the person wearing the kevlar, and while the vests are designed to spread the impact over a larger area with impact plating, broken ribs and other injuries are still very common. Being koed - even if briefly - isn't that strange. Even while wearing kelvar it is still vastly preferable to avoid getting shot... and those reasons above are why.

And SHIELD doesn't use normal weaponry. The Capekillers armor boosted their stats, had brief flight capabilities and built in energy pulses that could knock down walls. They weren't using standard police issue weapons Master Bruce, they were using weapons designed to take down superheroes.