Elektra vs Blade

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade wears kevlar. Established fact. While wearing kevlar, Blade has been koed but a bullet to the chest. Also an established fact. I simply stated that based on the above statements and the fact that Blade never actually stated that he [b]wasn't wearing kevlar (yes yes he implied it, I know), that it was possible that Blade was bluffing in order to convince Punisher. Would you prefer I just right it off as PIS like you guys do with Elektra's feats? Because given Blade's history I could easily do that and it wouldn't be a stretch... but you choose. [/B]

Yeah you are taking the piss. Blade said that you think im wearing kevlar and you think im not half vampire. So does the fact that he said he wasnt half vampire mean he wasnt?

Furthermore you have heard the expression "You think im joking?"..and im pretty sure 90 percent of the time that means im NOT joking, but obvoulsy you forgot that so you could downplay Blades durability.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Would you prefer I just right it off as PIS like you guys do with Elektra's feats?

When did I do that? I might have done it at first with the first feat initially but I simply said that I thought it could be used as proof that shes more skillful and not stronger.

IMO you could use that feat to proves shes more skillful..

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah you are taking the piss. Blade said that you think im wearing kevlar and you think im not half vampire. So does the fact that he said he wasnt half vampire mean he wasnt?

Furthermore you have heard the expression "You think im joking?"..and im pretty sure 90 percent of the time that means im NOT joking, but obvoulsy you forgot that so you could downplay Blades durability.

When did I do that? I might have done it at first with the first feat initially but I simply said that I thought it could be used as proof that shes more skillful and not stronger.

IMO you could use that feat to proves shes more skillful..

Blade wears kevlar. He's been koed with bullets while wearing kevlar. Him being able to shrug off a point blank bullet to the back doesn't mesh with his history, it contradicts the majority of his displays. IMO Blade bluffing to Punisher in an attempt to convince Frank that he (Blade) is a vampire, is the only way to rationalise the feat without flat out writing it off as PIS. /shrug

That remark was more of a generalisation aimed at the Blade supporters as a whole (mostly trackz and Master Bruce), who write off everything Elektra does as PIS, ignore all the feats I bring up but think everything they mention is infallible and get mad when I call them on their twisted views of events. I'm not too concerned with proving Elektra is more skilled than Blade, I mean, that's like proving that Superman is stronger than Spider-man. It's such an obvious and glaring fact that I'd prefer to pretend that no one believes otherwise because it lowers my opinion of the human race. 🙁

Originally posted by jinzin
Like I said none of that jibberish had anything to do with my post, thanks for clarifying that it didn't. And once again I didn't say he did use lethal force, so you reiderating that he didn't is nothing more than a broken record...
I really don't know why you have issues following even the most simple of concepts but it truly is riciulous.....

*sigh* You said that if your argument is that he had to resort to lethal force....I even underlined it...I said he didnt.

Yes it was relevant to your post.

Originally posted by jinzin

You keep saying Blade got downed because he hesitated to use lethal force.... which would indicate that Blade could not have escaped without using lethal force... which if true, means Blade isn't as skilled as Cap... Takes more skill to handle eggs without breaking them.

1. Didnt say he got downed because he hesistated to use lethal force. I said he hesistated to use the gun.
2. No its just proves that Cap was more intelligent by not hesistating to warn them.

Originally posted by jinzin

It has nothing to do with hypocrisy, you just once again.... don't get it. 😬

Well considering you said that I said he hesistated to use lethal force..which I didnt say I think you have the problem. *shrug*

Originally posted by jinzin

If Blade cou;ld have as easily escaped the cape killers by just pounding into them... why didn't he?

I didnt say he could have easily escaped, its just not a foregone conclusion that because he pulled the gun he couldnt have escaped or won.

Originally posted by jinzin

And yes, the fight is an indication of his sklill level most certainly.... if Blade could have just as easily escaped just by fighting them off, why didn't he?

Just because he didnt do it, doesnt mean he couldnt. Considering that he was kicking their arses before hand its not a bad point to make.

Originally posted by jinzin

He has a losing record with Morbius,

He does?

Originally posted by jinzin

he LOST fighting a one armed Spitfire ,

He did?

Originally posted by jinzin

and Vamped out Spiderman was a crazed lunatic who barely registered what was going on much less used his Spidersense.

Um Spiderman remembered trying to leave the school, attacking Blade and getting shot in the kneecaps...yeah he rememebered quite alot. All he said was he went a little crazy, that doesnt mean he could barely register what was going on.

Originally posted by jinzin

What happened when Blade fought Spiderman who was in his right mind? He got owned.

When?

Originally posted by jinzin

may maybe not, but someone slightly inferior to cap wouldn't go down near as easy either.

Blade took down six caepekillers before he got Koed. You call that easy? See what I mean about downplaying feats?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade wears kevlar.

Not that time he wasnt.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

He's been koed with bullets while wearing kevlar.

and Wolverine has been koed by a bullet to the head before, so that means it should happen everytime? No it doesnt.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Him being able to shrug off a point blank bullet to the back doesn't mesh with his history, it contradicts the majority of his displays. IMO Blade bluffing to Punisher in an attempt to convince Frank that he (Blade) is a vampire, is the only way to rationalise the feat without flat out writing it off as PIS. /shrug

Well hes been shot in the leg with machine gunfire and kept going...so I dont know about that.

Again....

Furthermore you have heard the expression "You think im joking?"..and im pretty sure 90 percent of the time that means im NOT joking, but obvoulsy you forgot that so you could downplay Blades durability.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

I bring up but think everything they mention is infallible and get mad when I call them on their twisted views of events.

No you dont all you do is nitpick all the time. You take yourself far too serioulsy and I dont know what you did to earn your attitude. *shrug*

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

I'm not too concerned with proving Elektra is more skilled than Blade, I mean, that's like proving that Superman is stronger than Spider-man. It's such an obvious and glaring fact that I'd prefer to pretend that no one believes otherwise because it lowers my opinion of the human race. 🙁

Dont care its a debate, anyway MK and Bullseye have much better feats than Punisher, Punisher can still beat or stalemate them in h2h. So thats something to think about.

Didn't look to me like Blade took any of those Capekillers down. Sure he hit some of them... but I seriously doubt any of them went down for the 10 count.

Anyway, none of the Agents even drew their weapons until Blade drew his, and he was taken down almost instantaneously at that point. Did Blade draw his weapon because he couldn't beat them? Did he intend to use lethal force when he drew his weapon? Who cares, that's all speculation. What matters is that Blade was taken down, and he was taken down hard and fast. No top tier street should be taken down in such a manor by SHIELD Agents regardless of there attitude towards to the fight (as seen by Captain America on two occasion). Almost every single street level hero has a big moral dilemma with fighting Cops / Soldiers / SHIELD Agents, but how many of them get take down?

I want to add two things.

1. Blade don't always wear kevlar as he does not always carry guns.
2. That shot that the capekiller hit him with could not have been a regular bullet as Blade has been shot point blank with kevlar on and point blank without kevlar on and nothing happened.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Didn't look to me like Blade took any of those Capekillers down. Sure he hit some of them... but I seriously doubt any of them went down for the 10 count.

Anyway, none of the Agents even drew their weapons until Blade drew his, and he was taken down almost instantaneously at that point. Did Blade draw his weapon because he couldn't beat them? Did he intend to use lethal force when he drew his weapon? Who cares, that's all speculation. What matters is that Blade was taken down, and he was taken down hard and fast. No top tier street should be taken down in such a manor by SHIELD Agents regardless of there attitude towards to the fight (as seen by Captain America on two occasion). Almost every single street level hero has a big moral dilemma with fighting Cops / Soldiers / SHIELD Agents, but how many of them get take down?

and you're doing it again.......you just cant help it can you?

Blade one-shots Elektra.

*leaves*

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

And Spitfire was just trying to prove to Blade that she was incontrol, while he was trying to killer her... good show Blade, you are number one!!! 😱

She only gained the edge when he bent over to whisper in her ear? Just like Blade put a sword to her throat when she hesitated.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Not that time he wasnt.

Maybe.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and Wolverine has been koed by a bullet to the head before, so that means it should happen everytime? No it doesnt.

Bad example, that's out of line with the how Wolverine's healing factor is displayed the vast, vast majority of the time, where as Blade doesn't have any feats to suggest he can take a bullet to center mass with no effect. In this example Blade shrugging off a bullet from Punisher is comparable to your example, not Blade getting koed by a bullet.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well hes been shot in the leg with machine gunfire and kept going...so I dont know about that.

Who hasn't? Take bullets to the limbs is an entirely different matter then taking them to the center mass. There are vital organ where Punisher shot Blade, and a guy who's got stitches to deal with superficial gashes and had claw marks on his face of a full issue, wouldn't heal remotely fast enough to deal with such a wound.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Furthermore you have heard the expression "You think im joking?"..and im pretty sure 90 percent of the time that means im NOT joking, but obvoulsy you forgot that so you could downplay Blades durability.

I don't care that he said "You think I'm joking," (even though he didn't say that, he said "You think I'm crazy" but whatever), I think that everything was a bluff, a string of bullshit to convince Punisher that he was a vampire. He also implied that he could take a bullet to the face, and that he could killed Frank before he "even thought about pulling the trigger," and then he dared Frank to shoot him the face... anyone here think any of that was accurate?

If he wasn't wearing kevlar and he took a bullet to center mass, then we are left with a feat that is in the vast minority with how Blade is typically displayed. Like I said, we can either flat out write the feat off has PIS, or try to rationalise it, and the only way to rationalise it so it feats with how Blade is typically depicted is as a bluff. So once again, you have two options, take your pick.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No you dont all you do is nitpick all the time. You take yourself far too serioulsy and I dont know what you did to earn your attitude. *shrug*

Yeah I nitpick all the time. I don't think that knocking someone back three feat with a dagger is a class 20 feat of strength, that a brief spar with a nobody that was stated to be foreplay is an accurate display of skill, or that getting effortlessly stomped into the ground by Wolverine and pulling out a last minute Dues Ex Machina device that may or may not have worked is a stalemate. My bias knows no bounds! 🙄

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Dont care its a debate, anyway MK and Bullseye have much better feats than Punisher, Punisher can still beat or stalemate them in h2h. So thats something to think about.

I'm not sure I'd agree that Moonknight has better feats then Punisher, but anyway like I said, Punisher beats virtually everyone he comes across. People sell Frank short he is resourceful, ruthless, and most importantly he has demi-god like damage soak. Frank is a monster, he can take a beating better than virtually anyone and keep coming.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and you're doing it again.......you just cant help it can you?

Doing what again? Explaining the context of the situation? Guilty as charged I guess...

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Originally posted by snoopdogg
Are you aware that Spitfire attacked Blade? 😱

She only gained the edge when he bent over to whisper in her ear? Just like Blade put a sword to her throat when she hesitated.

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Its called being proactive. Blade had already attacked her once, staked her and expressed his desire to kill her... why would she let him do it again?

Blade never had his sword to her throat. He never hesitated. He never had the opportunity to hesitate. She disarmed him almost instantaneously once the "fight" started. After she disarmed him he kicked her and told her to back up and let him stake her... but he really wasn't in any position to make threats... he'd already been disarmed. As the end of the "fight" showed, she was just trying to best Blade so that she could prove she wasn't ruled by a bloodlust, like he thought... while he was actually trying to kill her.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Its called being proactive. Blade had already attacked her once, staked her and expressed his desire to kill her... why would she let him do it again?

Blade never had his sword to her throat. He never hesitated. He never had the opportunity to hesitate. She disarmed him almost instantaneously once the "fight" started. After she disarmed him he kicked her and told her to back up and let him stake her... but he really wasn't in any position to make threats... he'd already been disarmed. As the end of the "fight" showed, she was just trying to best Blade so that she could prove she wasn't ruled by a bloodlust, like he thought... while he was actually trying to kill her.

Blade had his sword to her throat in issue #7 when the Mindless ones attacked.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blade bent over and whispered in her ear! He could have staked her right then and there, he pulled a stake out of nowhere in issue #5 and staked her.

Blade had his sword to her throat in issue #7 when the Mindless ones attacked.

Both his hands were empty, he would have to pull out a stake... not something he could do a second time before Spitfire reacted. He already surprised her with that move once, it wouldn't happen now that she knows what Blade's motives are. Also we never saw Blade's other hand when he was walk over to Spitfire in issue 5, its likely he already had the stake in hand and was simply concealing it from view.

You mean after Spitfire had already beat him and let Blade up on her own volition after her point was made? 😕

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Both his hands were empty, he would have to pull out a stake... not something he could do a second time before Spitfire reacted. He already surprised her with that move once, it wouldn't happen now that she knows what Blade's motives are. Also we never saw Blade's other hand when he was walk over to Spitfire in issue 5, its likely he already had the stake in hand and was simply concealing it from view.

You mean after Spitfire had already beat him and let Blade up on her own volition after her point was made? 😕

The only reason Blade got into the position was because he casually bent over in her hear and offered her a propostion. Blade let his guard down to flirt with her, that's what he does and she capitilzed on that the same way Blade did when she hesitated. That's one mistake each, but at the end of the day Spitfire had a adamantium sword to her throat. 😬

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Doing what again? Explaining the context of the situation? Guilty as charged I guess...

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No your not for starters the fact that Blade sent the CKs flying with his blows is irrelevent you are being negative by adding that you dont think they were Koed for 10. Why isnt the fact they were getting hurt and floored with his punches good enough?

Its like another example.

Snoop: Dracula rocked Wolverine with a punch that stunned him and left him open to be controlled.
Srank: OH NOES WOLVERINE HIT HIM FIRST....WAHHHH!!!!!!

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Snoop: Dracula rocked Wolverine with a punch that stunned him and left him open to be controlled.
Srank: OH NOES WOLVERINE HIT HIM FIRST....WAHHHH!!!!!!

Originally posted by snoopdogg
You are f*cking hilarious! 😆 How did Blade hide the stake in his hand in a jet full of MI:13 agents?

No I bet he magic'd that sucker out of thin air!!!!!!

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Originally posted by snoopdogg
The only reason Blade got into the position was because he casually bent over in her hear and offered her a propostion. Blade let his guard down to flirt with her, that's what he does and she capitilzed on that the same way Blade did when she hesitated. That's one mistake each, but at the end of the day Spitfire had a adamantium sword to her throat. 😬

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Dude. It was another example of Blade make threats while he was in no postion to make threats. Spitfire disarmed Blade, so Blade... so Blade told her to surrender! Blade didn't hesitate, he had no options and Spitfire was toying with him... which is why he was so pissed off when she proved him wrong and let him off the ground.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No I bet he magic'd that sucker out of thin air!!!!!!

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Dude. It was another example of Blade make threats while he was in no postion to make threats. Spitfire disarmed Blade, so Blade... so Blade told her to surrender! Blade didn't hesitate, he had no options and Spitfire was toying with him... which is why he was so pissed off when she proved him wrong and let him off the ground.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No your not for starters the fact that Blade sent the CKs flying with his blows is irrelevent you are being negative by adding that you dont think they were Koed for 10. Why isnt the fact they were getting hurt and floored with his punches good enough?

Its like another example.

Snoop: Dracula rocked Wolverine with a punch that stunned him and left him open to be controlled.
Srank: OH NOES WOLVERINE HIT HIM FIRST....WAHHHH!!!!!!

He hit four or five unarmed SHIELD Agents while they were propelling down ropes or the moment they land... and the moment one of they drew a weapon he was taken down. Awesome! I changed my mind!!! Seriously... what are going on about?

Wolverine did hit him first.... 😕