Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You're doing it again they werent all propelling down ropes. See first of all you try to belittle by saying they werent Koed now you are trying to belittle it by saying they were ALL propelling down ropes.
Explaining the context of the situation to you again? Yes, I am. If you were more observant I wouldn't have to....
Like I said, as they were propelling down the ropes or immediately after they landed. He was attacking them the moment they hit the ground, none of them were ready for combat, the moment one of the drew his gun Blade went down. Against Cap they were all ready form the get go and they all had guns drawn, and Cap still took them down even though - like Blade - he didn't want to fight / hurt them.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You're not a genuis, you're good at finding fault and anybody can do that, its not good debating.
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Ummmm.... finding faults in the other persons argument is the entire purpose of debating. That's the whole point of a rebuttal. 😕
Seriously though, you are a real hoot. You criticize me for over analysing feats (lmao), while you do the exact same thing only to suit the other side of the argument. You are such a hypocrite its unbelievable.
Phantom Zone: "Stop having opinions and except what I say as fact! You think "this" is what happened? Well... "this" is what really happened!"
Oh and what's your other critic of me? That I think my points are right? Well of course I do... if I thought I was wrong... I wouldn't share my thoughts with you. 😆
You're real riot man. Always good for a laugh.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Like I said, Blade always has more weapons. Sh!t in the next issue he pulled a word sword out of there somewhere and in issue #5 he pulled that stake out of there. Plus, there is always the boot with the stake in it.
And like I said, maybe he does, but none or in a position to help him in that situation. In issue 7, I think he picked his own sword off the ground, its not like he pulled a Corsair.
He was left to his own devices on the hellicarrier, he would have had ample time to arm himself with his stake before he walked over to Spitfire, which is why we never saw his other hand on panel until he stabbed her... and I mentioned the boot stakes already.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Just trying to prove that just because Blade didn't slice her head off instead of punching her means nothing even though he had the chance. Just like in the Logan/Blade fight.
Except Wolverine wasn't trying to kill Blade, while Blade was trying to kill Spitfire. 😱
Originally posted by srankmissingninI think in issue #7 Blade has his sword in his hand all along. It's the only thing that makes sense and I've thought about it.
And like I said, maybe he does, but none or in a position to help him in that situation. In issue 7, I think he picked his own sword off the ground, its not like he pulled a Corsair.He was left to his own devices on the hellicarrier, he would have had ample time to arm himself with his stake before he walked over to Spitfire, which is why we never saw his other hand on panel until he stabbed her... and I mentioned the boot stakes already.
Except Wolverine wasn't trying to kill Blade, while Blade [b]was
trying to kill Spitfire. 😱 [/B]
Oh, that's right Logan isn't gonna try to kill a guy who just stuck a sword in his gut. My bad. 🤨
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Explaining the context of the situation to you again? Yes, I am. If you were more observant I wouldn't have to....Like I said, as they were propelling down the ropes [b] or immediately after they landed
. He was attacking them the moment they hit the ground, none of them were ready for combat, the moment one of the drew his gun Blade went down. Against Cap they were all ready form the get go and they all had guns drawn, and Cap still took them down even though - like Blade - he didn't want to fight / hurt them.[/B]
If you read the scans again there were at least two that were actually in the process of attacking him and where not on the ropes.
You are also assuming that the others got put down because they did have enough time after coming down the ropes. It might be true but it may not have been, Blade could have simply been too fast.
Oh and if you want to be like that I could argue that if Cap didnt have his shield the samething would have happened.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin...
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Ummmm.... finding faults in the other persons argument is the entire purpose of debating. That's the whole point of a rebuttal. 😕
Seriously though, you are a real hoot. You criticize me for over analysing feats (lmao), while you do the exact same thing only to suit the other side of the argument. You are such a hypocrite its unbelievable.
[b]Phantom Zone
: "Stop having opinions and except what I say as fact! You think "this" is what happened? Well... "this" is what really happened!"Oh and what's your other critic of me? That I think my points are right? Well of course I do... if I thought I was wrong... I wouldn't share my thoughts with you. 😆
You're real riot man. Always good for a laugh. [/B]
Stop being an idiot, ive already stated before that I dont mind you thinking Elektra wins. I even stated that one of your feats could be used as proof that she is more skilled.
When you always have something negative to say its not good debating, its just prejuidice (not neccsarily racist). Bitching about how Wolverine struck Drac first when he lost the fight is an example of just finding anything you can do to belittle the feat.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
When Blade staked her she started to burn up I think. Faiza had to use her powers to heal her to save her life. Or at least that's how I saw it.
Im kinda confused wasnt her hand boney before they fought?
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think in issue #7 Blade has his sword in his hand all along. It's the only thing that makes sense and I've thought about it.Oh, that's right Logan isn't gonna try to kill a guy who just stuck a sword in his gut. My bad. 🤨
At the end of issue six you can see Blade's remain sword clearly knocked out of his hand when she pins him. In issue seven he doesn't have it again until she gets off him, I figured snatched it off the ground.
Wolverine kills villains, he doesn't kill superheroes who are just fallowed orders from SHIELD.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
At the end of issue six you can see Blade's remain sword clearly knocked out of his hand when she pins him. In issue seven he doesn't have it again until she gets off him, I figured snatched it off the ground.Wolverine kills villains, he doesn't kill superheroes who are just fallowed orders from SHIELD.
Even f he did lose he didnt do badly. Spitfire could arguably take Captain America. Anyone got scans of the whole fight...its confusing.
Originally posted by srankmissingninBut if you look you can see Blade landing by his sword. I'm guessing he grabbed it. She was gonna bite him on the neck, pretty sure Blade wasn't afraid of being bit on the neck by a vampire.
At the end of issue six you can see Blade's remain sword clearly knocked out of his hand when she pins him. In issue seven he doesn't have it again until she gets off him, I figured snatched it off the ground.Wolverine kills villains, he doesn't kill superheroes who are just fallowed orders from SHIELD.
And Blade doesn't usually kill heroes either, most especially non vampiric ones.
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
If you read the scans again there were at least two that were actually in the process of attacking him and where not on the ropes.
Those two could have been the ones Blade attacked initially, getting up and reprising the attack and not new agents rushing into melee with out weapons drawn. /shrug
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You are also assuming that the others got put down because they did have enough time after coming down the ropes. It might be true but it may not have been, Blade could have simply been too fast.
Blade got on them before the could ready themselves or draw weapons. Its Blade being on them too fast reguadless, he just wasn't fast or skilled enough to keep it up past the initial burst and take them all down or escape like Cap did.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh and if you want to be like that I could argue that if Cap didnt have his shield the samething would have happened.
Captain America didn't have his shield in the second example I posted but despite being surround by Capekillers with guns trained on him, he somehow managed to get his shield before a single shot was fired.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Stop being an idiot, ive already stated before that I dont mind you thinking Elektra wins. I even stated that one of your feats could be used as proof that she is more skilled.
You say you don't mind me thinking Elektra wins... and then you get mad for me showing why. You start twisting shit around to suit your argument, and chew on my balls for doing the same thing. You are a hypocrite, no two buts about.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
When you always have something negative to say its not good debating, its just prejuidice (not neccsarily racist). Bitching about how Wolverine struck Drac first when he lost the fight is an example of just finding anything you can do to belittle the feat.
You only think its negative because it doesn't suit your argument. I'm not giving negative interpretations, I'm give accurate ones. You guys just start having conniptions every time I don't agree with your ridiculous recounts of what has happening. Knock Sage back three feet isn't a class 20 strength feat no matter how you look at it. Blade beating a random MA vampire in a brief spar that was stated as being foreplay isn't an accurate or relevant display of skill. Where are these negative comments? Correcting snoop and pointing out that Wolverine tagged Dracula before Dracula hit him? Is that one of my negative comments? Try again. 🙄
And FYI, I didn't "*****" about Dracula punching Wolverine. Wolverine hit him first, Dracula returned the favour and then mind controlled him. I've barely even comment on the fight. I'm not sure if you know what bitching means.
And racist? WTF dude? I couldn't possibly care less what colour a character is. That's a pretty baseless accusation. I don't think Blade wins because he hasn't done anything worth while that places him on the same level as the street level greats.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im kinda confused wasnt her hand boney before they fought?
He staked her then booked it, and they fought again for real later.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Are you serioulsy suggesting that he was going to attempt to kill SHIELD agents just because when he pulled out the gun it was at eye-level?
No, I'm not saying he'd actually go through with it, but that doesn't change the fact that he did threaten the SHIELD agents with lethal force. Blade and those SHIELD agents aren't friends, don't owe each other a damned thing, and were in the heat of a battle. Blade reached for his gun and said something like "Don't make me do this", implying that he was going to do something drastic out of desperation. The SHIELD agents aren't so stupid as to dismiss that as an idle threat, so they shot him rather than take the chance of him killing/injuring another SHIELD agent, or bluff his way to an escape.
Blade was surrounded and overwhelmed. He was either bluffing or seriously thinking of putting down a few SHIELD agents in order to get away.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The point is you stated that if somebody pulls a gun its a last resort and is an indication that the person with the gun would lose the fight.Punisher doesnt always pulls his gun to use lethal force either eg when he was fighting MK.
It's OFTEN the last resort for people who don't want to kill. Blade clearly didn't want to kill any Cape Killers, but he knew he was becoming overwhelmed, so he had no choice but to either kill or bluff his way out of there. I'm not saying he would have killed, but the fact that he went for the gun shows he wasn't confident enough in his own skills and power set to simply fight them off. So yes, he more than likely would've have lost that fight if he'd kept it up.
Shooting to kill is the Punisher's first resort (barring any special circumstances) because it suits his purpose best. He only brawls when he's disarmed and has no other choice. I only found one Punisher/Moon Knight fight after scanning the respect thread-- Castle was armed only with a knife when he and Moon Knight began to fight. When he did grab hold of a gun, he fired away at MK without second thoughts. So, unless you're describing another fight I could've missed, he did use lethal force against Moon Knight.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im pointing out to you that there are many circumstances where hes pulled a gun but still managed to stalemate or gain the advantage in the fight without the gun. The point is he pulled the gun to make his job easier but it doesnt mean he would have lost the fight.
So, your argument is that he was trying to make his job easier by pulling out the gun while he's surrounded by armed SHIELD agents in high-tech armor, but he wasn't going to use it because he didn't want to hurt them?
He acted out of desperation, plain and simple, whether he was actually going to kill them or not. Even if Blade simply wanted to incapacitate them with shots to the kneecaps and such, he still got beat to the draw.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Calm down, you're not going anywhere. You're just making assumptions and assuming you're logic is sound.
You were one of those stubborn force-the-square-peg-into-the-round-hole babies, weren't you?
Elektra for the majority.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*sigh* You said that if your argument is that he had to resort to lethal force....I even underlined it...I said he didnt.
Not it's not....
My argument has nothing to do with lethal force and the only one who brought this notion of "lethal force" up in the first place was your side Alf.
My observation is that IF YOUR/side's argument dictates that Blade needed to use lethal forcce to get out of the situation since it's YOU GUYS that brought it up, then he likely wasn't skilled enough to get out of the situation without it.....
Your response, "he wasn't using lethal force".... like I said, you couldn't catch a train of thought to save your life.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Didnt say he got downed because he hesistated to use lethal force. I said he hesistated to use the gun.
2. No its just proves that Cap was more intelligent by not hesistating to warn them.
And if he was hesitant to use the gun is it because he would have to use it to shoot to kill?
The simple fact of the matter is that Cap excelled TWICE against the same opponents under more dire circumstances. Blade went down the moment they drew their guns.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well considering you said that I said he hesistated to use lethal force..which I didnt say I think you have the problem. *shrug*
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I didnt say he could have easily escaped, its just not a foregone conclusion that because he pulled the gun he couldnt have escaped or won.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Just because he didnt do it, doesnt mean he couldnt. Considering that he was kicking their arses before hand its not a bad point to make.
Originally posted by Phantom Zoneyes and yes... And this is what I'm talking about, you attack Srank for "just arguing" and yet here you are using examples the context of which you haven't the first clue... You're definitely the pot today.
He does?He did?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneHe couldn't remember if he'd even hurt anyone and needed Blade to reassure him.. He couldn't remember something that pivitol to his character and you're trying to tell me the example matters.. it doesn't.
Um Spiderman remembered trying to leave the school, attacking Blade and getting shot in the kneecaps...yeah he rememebered quite alot. All he said was he went a little crazy, that doesnt mean he could barely register what was going on.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneMTU vol 2 don't remember which issue.
When?
Originally posted by Phantom ZonePut down? No... you see him drop one guy as he's descending down his rope, force two others away from him and kick one more before he gets shot in the chest... You can clearly see no bodies KOed lying around him in the panel he's kicking.... He didn't put anyone down... Yes... easily. even though that's not the correct interpetation of what I meant as usual. 😬
Blade took down six caepekillers before he got Koed. You call that easy? See what I mean about downplaying feats?
