Elektra vs Blade

Originally posted by Trackz
even spitfire admits at the end of the arc that blade could kill her if she went crazy...as for the instance when they stopped fighting...that was it they had stopped fighting, she was ready to make amends but what blade said to her pissed her off.

Originally posted by Trackz
he wasn't asking blade for assurance, he was already pretty sure of what happened, Blade was just making it positive for him as he recounted every detail of the story for him and recalled most of what was said

Originally posted by Trackz
if spiderman has been hit by plenty of people, (wolverine for example) I'm pretty sure wolverine doesn't strike as fast as a bullet, the close proximity between him and blade, coupled with blades accuracy made it apparent Blade beat spiderman straight up.

Okay, you've just lost any and all chance of being even remotely credible to me whatsoever..

Originally posted by Trackz
Blade retconned it because he hadn't read any blade comics and assumed that no writer had ever confirmed that morbius's bite had effected him...he was wrong, regardless, while itis fact now, it wasn't fact then.

Originally posted by Trackz
[B ]the explosion wasn't meant to kill varnae, if you cant see the force of the explosion blew out the widows and tore a postbox from the sidewalk and threw it into the street, the explosion was powerful.[/B]

Originally posted by Trackz
[B ]it proves how durable he is as a normal person wouldve broken bones, that and the fact blade has taken powerful gunshots to the chest before on kevlar armor and been fine (the same gun blew a whole through a vampire and dropped it) [/B]

As stated Capekillers were designed to take down supers. They took Blade down and failed with Cap.

Considering that you think Blade beat Spiderman straight up, I'm more than comfortable completely disregarding pretty much anything you say from here on out. So you can respond to this but I wouldn't hold my breath for a reply.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What the hell are you talking about she was talking to the Skrull.

How do you know it had the strength of Thing.

I meant she was not in anyway prepared for such a confrontation and had no idea what the skrull was packing. I say this because I was under the impression Blade was under going some sort of test by likely allies and he knew knives would be thrown at him as part of the test. I could be wrong as snoop pointed out. Maybe you would be so kind as to educate me on the circumstances of Blade's encounter.

2.check other post.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Theres nothing wrong with it neccesarily and the jinzin has used it earlier on in this thread eventhough he wont admit it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Um its been stated that Super Skrulls manifest one power at a time.

Also logically that doesnt even make any sense. What that proves is that at that moment the skrull had super strength. When Super Skrull mutates he only has the power that the mutation gives, thats like arguing that SS has human torches powers while not being on fire...he has to mutate first.

So no that feat is not better.

I thought they could have multiple powers at the same time. I didn't know otherwise.

The feat still stands as better because it was still essentially an Elektra clone at least when the knife was thrown.

Originally posted by Warrior18
I thought they could have multiple powers at the same time. I didn't know otherwise.

The feat still stands as better because it was still essentially an Elektra clone at least when the knife was thrown.

Originally posted by jinzin
they can.. and did during invasion repeatedly 😬

Those were my thoughts too. Phantom disagreed. 😗

Oh, Jinzin is back 🙂

Elektra caught the dagger between two fingers, behind her head without looking at the blade. That would require a much, MUCH higher level of coordination and dexterity then snatching two daggers in front of your body with both hands.

The feats you keep bring up that "rival" Elektra's are so pathetic. It's like I give you Pepsi, and you are like "Shit... I don't need that, I have my own Pepsi! Look its right here!"... and then you bust out a sad ass two liter bottle of RC Cola. 🙁

RC Cola > Pepsi

Psht! 🙄

Pepsi > Everything!!! thumbsup

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Elektra caught the dagger between two fingers, behind her head without looking at the blade. That would require a much, [B]MUCH higher level of coordination and dexterity then snatching two daggers in front of your body with both hands.

The feats you keep bring up that "rival" Elektra's are so pathetic. It's like I give you Pepsi, and you are like "Shit... I don't need that, I have my own Pepsi! Look its right here!"... and then you bust out a sad ass two liter bottle of RC Cola. 🙁 [/B]

😂

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
No, I'm not saying he'd actually go through with it, but that doesn't change the fact that he did threaten the SHIELD agents with lethal force. Blade and those SHIELD agents aren't friends, don't owe each other a damned thing, and were in the heat of a battle. Blade reached for his gun and said something like "Don't make me do this", implying that he was going to do something drastic out of desperation. The SHIELD agents aren't so stupid as to dismiss that as an idle threat, so they shot him rather than take the chance of him killing/injuring another SHIELD agent, or bluff his way to an escape.

Blade was surrounded and overwhelmed. He was either bluffing or seriously thinking of putting down a few SHIELD agents in order to get away.

Well im not denying he wasnt in any trouble im just saying its not a forgeone conlcusion he would have been captured.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

It's OFTEN the last resort for people who don't want to kill. Blade clearly didn't want to kill any Cape Killers, but he knew he was becoming overwhelmed, so he had no choice but to either kill or bluff his way out of there. I'm not saying he would have killed, but the fact that he went for the gun shows he wasn't confident enough in his own skills and power set to simply fight them off. So yes, he more than likely would've have lost that fight if he'd kept it up.

Well Captain America pulled a gun and he didnt lose the fight, so no not neccesarily. The difference is that he didnt hesistate to use it.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

Shooting to kill is the Punisher's first resort (barring any special circumstances) because it suits his purpose best. He only brawls when he's disarmed and has no other choice. I only found one Punisher/Moon Knight fight after scanning the respect thread-- Castle was armed only with a knife when he and Moon Knight began to fight. When he did grab hold of a gun, he fired away at MK without second thoughts. So, unless you're describing another fight I could've missed, he did use lethal force against Moon Knight.

I think we are talking about a different MK fight. Anyway the intent to kill is not relevant to my point. You are saying that just because Blade pulled the gun this is an indication that he would have lost the fight. Im telling you there are many examples were Punisher pulls a gun on an opponent but still wins the fight without the gun.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

So, your argument is that he was trying to make his job easier by pulling out the gun while he's surrounded by armed SHIELD agents in high-tech armor, but he wasn't going to use it because he didn't want to hurt them?

Er no, look what I said above...just because he pulled the gun doesnt mean he would have lost the fight.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

He acted out of desperation, plain and simple, whether he was actually going to kill them or not. Even if Blade simply wanted to incapacitate them with shots to the kneecaps and such, he still got beat to the draw.

So did Captain America, the difference is that Cap didnt hesistate. Also the CKs said that "Thats the difference between us and you" ie they dont hesistate. Now why do you uppose the writer decided to include that, you dont think its possible that he was providing an explanation.

Originally posted by jinzin
they can.. and did during invasion repeatedly 😬

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v160/estruwe/bp4-1.jpg

Not in this example, it also might depend on what power they have as far as I know Super Skrull does not have the Things strength unless he mutates.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Elektra caught the dagger between two fingers, behind her head without looking at the blade. That would require a much, [B]MUCH higher level of coordination and dexterity then snatching two daggers in front of your body with both hands.

The feats you keep bring up that "rival" Elektra's are so pathetic. It's like I give you Pepsi, and you are like "Shit... I don't need that, I have my own Pepsi! Look its right here!"... and then you bust out a sad ass two liter bottle of RC Cola. 🙁 [/B]

Ok I'll concede I thinky you're right, but thats not the case with all of the feats.

For example deflecting projectiles from a Dreadnoughrt android is probably better than deflecting and object from a human mercenary.

Also Blade uses handcuffs to and blocking the bath of a bullet with it, is more impressive than catching a dagger thrown by an assasin.

So no there not all worse. Even warrior18 stated that one of Blades feats was good.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Those two could have been the ones Blade attacked initially, getting up and reprising the attack and not new agents rushing into melee with out weapons drawn. /shrug

See what I mean? What about the others?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Blade got on them before the could ready themselves or draw weapons. Its Blade being on them too fast reguadless, he just wasn't fast or skilled enough to keep it up past the initial burst and take them all down or escape like Cap did.

No he got taken down because he hesistated.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Captain America didn't have his shield in the second example I posted but despite being surround by Capekillers with guns trained on him, he somehow managed to get his shield before a single shot was fired.

he got shot and stabbed after he got his shield, look at it again.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

You say you don't mind me thinking Elektra wins... and then you get mad for me showing why. You start twisting shit around to suit your argument, and chew on my balls for doing the same thing. You are a hypocrite, no two buts about.

Ive stated to you eallier in the thread I dont think you are always wrong, so I dont disagree with everything you say. Sometimes your interpretation is correct, your problem is that you think your interpretation is ALWAYS correct.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

You only think its negative because it doesn't suit your argument. I'm not giving negative interpretations, I'm give accurate ones. You guys just start having conniptions every time I don't agree with your ridiculous recounts of what has happening. Knock Sage back three feet isn't a class 20 strength feat no matter how you look at it. Blade beating a random MA vampire in a brief spar that was stated as being foreplay isn't an accurate or relevant display of skill. Where are these negative comments? Correcting snoop and pointing out that Wolverine tagged Dracula before Dracula hit him? Is that one of my negative comments? Try again. 🙄

Throwing a dagger at Sage isnt a class 20 feet but it could be described as an accurate feat.

Sparring with that skilled vampire could be similar to DD fighting Elektra.

The Dracula example is perfect example of you not comprehending when you are being negative. You didnt correct anything, the fact Wolverine hit him first is irrelevant...he lost.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

And FYI, I didn't "*****" about Dracula punching Wolverine. Wolverine hit him first, Dracula returned the favour and then mind controlled him. I've barely even comment on the fight. I'm not sure if you know what bitching means.

You're still not getting and you are probably getting pissed because you realise how irrelevant that statement was.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

And racist? WTF dude? I couldn't possibly care less what colour a character is. That's a pretty baseless accusation. I don't think Blade wins because he hasn't done anything worth while that places him on the same level as the street level greats.

Actually didnt say you were racist but you did say this in a Black Panther vs Mister Terrific thread.

Originally posted by Mindset
Why are you trying to get two black men to fight each other?

RACIST!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I really shouldn't... but... well... you set it up so perfectly...

"...Isn't that what black guys do?" 😕

😈

Oh, and Panther wins.

No doubt you'll say something stupid like "what did I say????"

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeblockinNS16.jpg

The above is more impressive than this:

http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/elektrarespectthread/Speed/?action=view&current=Elektra_Speed_v2_03_09.jpg

Blocking projectiles from a Dreadnought is more impressive than blocking bullets from some merceneary.

Hell the android even has its own profile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought_ (comics)

This feat is more impressive..
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladebreakincuffs.jpg

than this.
http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/elektrarespectthread/Strength/?action=view&current=Elektra_Strength_Elektra_v2_06_12.jpg

This feat is at least comparable

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladereflexes.jpg

to this

http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt14/elektrarespectthread/Strength/?action=view&current=Elektra_Strength_Elektra_v2_06_12.jpg

I cannot believe some people are arguing the Cape Killers took down Blade because they overwhelmed him. LOL!

Blade was fighting with his kid gloves on.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I cannot believe some people are arguing the Cape Killers took down Blade because they overwhelmed him. LOL!

Blade was fighting with his kid gloves on.

So was Captain America. And he owned them TWICE.

Blade was taken down like a chump.

Against Elektra, maybe the fight will end in a stalemate. In other words Elektra will slap him around for a bit then pin him to the ground with her weapons to his throat and then decide to let him go. Same as with Logan and Spitfire.

Of course I suspect you'll just say "I'm not gonna read this" same as you always do when you're proved wrong.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
So was Captain America. And he owned them TWICE.

Again Captain America didnt hesitate to use the gun, Blade did.

The Cape Killer then states "Thats the difference between you and us?" then shoots Blade, you dont think the writer was trying to indicate that the Cape killers were willing to be more vicous and took advantage of his hesitation ?

Originally posted by chilled monkey

Blade was taken down like a chump.

Excuse me, didnt you see him kicking and punching Cape killers and sending them reeling? Sending people reeling = taken down like a chump? Thats exactly why the Blade side complains.

Originally posted by chilled monkey

Against Elektra, maybe the fight will end in a stalemate. In other words Elektra will slap him around for a bit then pin him to the ground with her weapons to his throat and then decide to let him go. Same as with Logan and Spitfire.

You dont think that Blade whispering in Spitfires ear left him open? Didnt Blade say "not a good decision" in other words is not his fighting skill that got him punked it was the bad idea of whispering in her ear.

and oh yeah Blade has beaten Dracula, Wolverine got owned.

Originally posted by chilled monkey

Of course I suspect you'll just say "I'm not gonna read this" same as you always do when you're proved wrong.

Again as I stated earlier he did it because certain posters will find fault with every single feats and it gets to the point were its not even worth responding. 😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Excuse me, didnt you see him kicking and punching Cape killers and sending them reeling? Sending people reeling = taken down like a chump? Thats exactly why the Blade side complains.]

He fought for a single panel and was then dropped like a sack o' spuds. That's like a token effort. Cap beat those guys and escaped twice.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B]You dont think that Blade whispering in Spitfires ear left him open? Didnt Blade say "not a good decision" in other words is not his fighting skill that got him punked it was the bad idea of whispering in her ear.

and oh yeah Blade has beaten Dracula, Wolverine got owned.]

And Wolverine owned Blade.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B]Again as I stated earlier he did it because certain posters will find fault with every single feats and it gets to the point were its not even worth responding. 😐

If by that you mean said 'certain posters' will explain the actual context of those feats and will sensibly and logically point out why they don't compare to Elektra's feats, then yes, they will.

Basically it goes like this-

Pro-Elektra side posts/describes a feat of hers.

Pro-Blade side posts/describes a lesser feat from Blade.

Pro-Elektra side explains why the Blade feat is lesser than Elektra's.

Pro-Blade side complains about them 'finding fault' i.e. pointing out why Elektra's feats are superior, and then starts ignoring/dismissing what's been said because they've been proved wrong.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
He fought for a single panel and was then dropped like a sack o' spuds. That's like a token effort. Cap beat those guys and escaped twice.

Blade was fighting for about 7 panels......with all due respect do you think you're justified in saying negative things about the Blade side when you yourself didnt read the scans posted properly?

Also Cap used his shield in both cirumstances in the 2nd one he got shot and stabbed even with his shield, its not unreasonable to say he would have got captured without it.

Again Blade was holding back.

The Cape Killer then states "Thats the difference between you and us?" then shoots Blade, you dont think the writer was trying to indicate that the Cape killers were willing to be more vicous and took advantage of his hesitation ?

Originally posted by chilled monkey

And Wolverine owned Blade.

and Blade owned Dracula..it goes both ways, it could be argued that Blade had a bad day since they only fought once.

My point about the Spitfire fight still stands.

Originally posted by chilled monkey

If by that you mean said 'certain posters' will explain the actual context of those feats and will sensibly and logically point out why they don't compare to Elektra's feats, then yes, they will.

Basically it goes like this-

Pro-Elektra side posts/describes a feat of hers.

Pro-Blade side posts/describes a lesser feat from Blade.

Pro-Elektra side explains why the Blade feat is lesser than Elektra's.

Pro-Blade side complains about them 'finding fault' i.e. pointing out why Elektra's feats are superior, and then starts ignoring/dismissing what's been said because they've been proved wrong.

1.Well for starters you yourself came in here and said that Blade was fighting for one panel and got dropped, so with all due respect your in no poistion to judge. You have started doing exactly what I was talking about.

2. I would agree that Elektras feats are better in general but ive posted some feats which are just as good and also better than some of her feats. As I stated better feats do not neccesarily mean a character gets a win. Moon Knight and Bullseye have much better feats than Punisher, he has beaten Bullseye twice and stalemated Moon Knight every time.

Since Elektras feats are not massively better I dont think its conclusive that she wins.

3. Not all the explanation by the Elektra side have been logical here are just two examples:
a) Stating that Wolverine hit Dracula first when Wolverine lost to Dracula is irrelvant and nitpicking.
b) http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladekillinvamps2.jpg

You know that one of the posters was arguing that Blade only got shot once in the leg? Hell Blade cant even got shot twice in the leg without somebody arguing about it.