Juggernaut at his most powerful should be able to break adamantium. Adamantium is unbreakable by purely physical means, but there's more than one example of it being broken down by mystical or energy based means.
Magneto tore all of the adamantium off of wolverine's bones using magnetic force.
S'ym broke off one of wolverine's claws with his fist, and used it as a toothpick in limbo.
Thor dented cap's shield (which isn't adamantium, but should be more durable) by punching it, and king thor simply blasted a big chunk of it into atoms.
Juggernaut at his most powerful has the full (or at least a very large chunk of) power of Cyttorak. that's enough magical energy to break down adamantium's bonds, IMO- since the power of cyttorak outranks all three examples above.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Juggernaut at his most powerful should be able to break adamantium. Adamantium is unbreakable by purely physical means, but there's more than one example of it being broken down by mystical or energy based means.Magneto tore all of the adamantium off of wolverine's bones using magnetic force.
S'ym broke off one of wolverine's claws with his fist, and used it as a toothpick in limbo.
Thor dented cap's shield (which isn't adamantium, but should be more durable) by punching it, and king thor simply blasted a big chunk of it into atoms.
Juggernaut at his most powerful has the full (or at least a very large chunk of) power of Cyttorak. that's enough magical energy to break down adamantium's bonds, IMO- since the power of cyttorak outranks all three examples above.
The era of Wolverine dictates the strength of his adamantium I think. Plus it's limbo.
He used the Odinforce, and that's King Thor. Hopefully you're not referring to that dream sequence where he melts Wolverine.
And no he doesn't. To my knowledge, Juggernaut has never had more power than he had originally. At his strongest, by himself, he was harnessing his power more effectively, and with aid, he was possessed by spirits or something.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
He didn't break the adamantium, he destabilized it so it was malleable
true, meaning it broke down on a molecular level, so magneto was able to manipulate it that way. would cyttorak's energy be able to affect adamantium on a molecular level? I think it could.
The era of Wolverine dictates the strength of his adamantium I think. Plus it's limbo.
no, it doesn't. wolverine has always been stated to be equipped with primary adamantium. It's never been retconned into "secondary" or "weaker" during certain eras.
and yes, I'm aware that happened in limbo, which is a dimension of magic, not science. Again, cyttorak's power is a massive, massive source of magical energy.
He used the Odinforce, and that's King Thor. Hopefully you're not referring to that dream sequence where he melts Wolverine.
The odinforce is the power of a skyfather. Cyttorak is an ELDER GOD, not a skyfather, and outranks Odin and the Odinforce by quite a bit. This is the reason Odin had a child with Gaea (an elder god) to produce Thor, who would eventually outclass even Himself and become the strongest of the asgardians as a asgardian/elder god hybrid.
And no he doesn't. To my knowledge, Juggernaut has never had more power than he had originally. At his strongest, by himself, he was harnessing his power more effectively, and with aid, he was possessed by spirits or something. [/B]
What I'm saying is that Juggernaut should be cyttorak's avatar on earth- that is, his physical incarnation capable of handling a good portion of the power of an elder god.
The only thing that really gets in the way is that juggernaut isn't really all that good at harnessing that power. He's not all that intelligent, and isn't truly evil, as cyttorak is. At his peak, he SHOULD be able to break through an adamantium wall, given the massive amount of magical energy at his disposal.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
true, meaning it broke down on a molecular level, so magneto was able to manipulate it that way. would cyttorak's energy be able to affect adamantium on a molecular level? I think it could.
no, it doesn't. wolverine has always been stated to be equipped with primary adamantium. It's never been retconned into "secondary" or "weaker" during certain eras.
and yes, I'm aware that happened in limbo, which is a dimension of magic, not science. Again, cyttorak's power is a massive, massive source of magical energy.
The odinforce is the power of a skyfather. Cyttorak is an ELDER GOD, not a skyfather, and outranks Odin and the Odinforce by quite a bit. This is the reason Odin had a child with Gaea (an elder god) to produce Thor, who would eventually outclass even Himself and become the strongest of the asgardians as a asgardian/elder god hybrid.
What I'm saying is that Juggernaut should be cyttorak's avatar on earth- that is, his physical incarnation capable of handling a good portion of the power of an elder god.The only thing that really gets in the way is that juggernaut isn't really all that good at harnessing that power. He's not all that intelligent, and isn't truly evil, as cyttorak is. At his peak, he SHOULD be able to break through an adamantium wall, given the massive amount of magical energy at his disposal.
Theoretically, Juggernaut could turn into Cyttorak and crack the planet, and the adamantium wall, in half with his eyelash, but thus far in the comics Juggernaut isn't truly unstoppable and adamantium isn't truly unbreakable. I have as much faith in him breaking the wall as I do Hulk, and I'd really only expect those two to do it, through brute strength, in an extreme scenario.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alviswasnt wolverine's adamantium always primary adamantium regardless of era ? (unlike say, ultron who started out with fake (secondary) adamantium & then upgraded to the real deal)
The era of Wolverine dictates the strength of his adamantium I think.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvisbut was this ever stated?? (when?)
Juggernaut, on the other hand, only has a fraction of his power
Originally posted by xJLxKingbut isnt adamantium is also earth man made stuff?
the quote "Juggernaunt is unstoppable" is not entirely correct. It's actually something along the lines of "When juggernaunt moves, no object on earth can stop him".However, I give this to Adamantium Wall FTW
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
He didn't break the adamantium, he destabilized it so it was malleableThe era of Wolverine dictates the strength of his adamantium I think. Plus it's limbo.
He used the Odinforce, and that's King Thor. Hopefully you're not referring to that dream sequence where he melts Wolverine.
And no he doesn't. To my knowledge, Juggernaut has never had more power than he had originally. At his strongest, by himself, he was harnessing his power more effectively, and with aid, he was possessed by spirits or something.
Dream sequence?
It happened mate.
I don't think jugs would have enough force by himself to break the wall. I mean not saying he isn't invulnerable because we are talking about 2 different things.
If there was a planet size drill made of Adamantium or something and drilling into classic juggs. He would live, and the drill bit might be dented. But to have jugs try and run and break a wall of that stuff, I don't think he has enouygh in him. Kinda like how they swung hulk into space so he can smash a asteriod. yeah he might be durable enough to do it but he might need added inertia.
For example if Silver Surfer was towing Juggs across a galaxy at top speed, and drove him into the adm, wall he would destroy it. This is just my opinion.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
wasnt wolverine's adamantium always primary adamantium regardless of era ? (unlike say, ultron who started out with fake (secondary) adamantium & then upgraded to the real deal)
but was this ever stated?? (when?)
but isnt adamantium is also earth man made stuff?
I have to call it before I strike, like a Falcon punch, so I've only landed it once. And that's how the dinosaurs went extinct.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Dream sequence?It happened mate.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
wasnt wolverine's adamantium always primary adamantium regardless of era ? (unlike say, ultron who started out with fake (secondary) adamantium & then upgraded to the real deal)but was this ever stated?? (when?)
but isnt adamantium is also earth man made stuff?
It has been stated many times that Cain only has a fraction of Cyttorak's power.