Originally posted by rotiart
Can you give me one example where he did anything on a molecular level? Create/transmute something? Energy blast even?
Dr. Strange #182:
Juggernaut shrinks Nightmare:
Juggernaut shoots some sort of energy blast at Nightmare:
Juggernaut no longer possesses the ability to cast spells. He traded them to Oblivion for passage out of the Void.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
They aren't recent. It's probably been like 20-30 years since he's use them and they weren't really noteworthy other than it being the only time Juggernaut didn't punch something.
Yeah well I guess it's my fault for asking for any scans and and not just scans of current juggs feats my bad.uh 😛
IMO Juggernaut would probably bend the wall or break through it, whatever the path of least resistance was depending on exactly how the setup was constructed.
We've seen true adamantium slightly dented at least once (e.g. in its very first appearance, by Thor's hammer). We've seen non-magical forces bend it or wreck its molecular structure (magnetism, arctic vibranium, whatever Molecule Man uses - psionics?). We've also seen magic-boosted physical force bend harder substances like Cap's shield. And we've seen other supposedly harder substances than adamantium created (although they might not be in canon).
And anyway if they basically admit the existence of an even more indestructible substance like Cap's shield, then doesn't this indicate that adamantium already has a limit to its indestructibility i.e. it's not a known limit but whatever it is it's less than Cap's shield?
All this just makes me think that while adamantium may seem indestructible, it still has some sort of physical limit. I don't believe that someone like a well-fed Galactus could not summon enough physical force to bend adamantium with a punch. I think Juggernaut's magic would eventually overcome its molecular structure even if it took a very long time. My opinion anyway.
hang on, we've seen Juggernaut stopped, but we've yet to see "primary" adamantium broken.
the only time I recall anything breaking Adamantium is a comment from Future Imperfect, where the "dogs of war" are said to be capable of crushing Adamantium in 3 seconds or something.
as it stands, the wall wins, every time, imo ✅
Originally posted by janus77
hang on, we've seen Juggernaut stopped, but we've yet to see "primary" adamantium broken.
We've seen it physically dented and deformed though, even if you don't count the applications of magnetism, arctic vibranium, MM etc.
Originally posted by janus77
the only time I recall anything breaking Adamantium is a comment from Future Imperfect, where the "dogs of war" are said to be capable of crushing Adamantium in 3 seconds or something.[/B]
I remember that but I would leave it to the forum experts to tell me if it is canon or even a proven feat. In Guardians of the Galaxy they also stated that in the future they invented harder substances and one was shown to cut adamantium. Again I don't know if people consider that canon.
Still, the fact that Cap's in-canon shield is even harder than adamantium pretty much means that adamantium isn't really without physical limits.
Originally posted by janus77
as it stands, the wall wins, every time, imo[/B]
So, the only time juggs was "stopped" was by mystical means in the War Hulk issue and with Thor's Godblast which again didn't even phase him just stopped him. Yet again mystical force going against juggs own mystical unstoppable force. So, what mystical properties does a Adamantium Wall have that compares to these two instances. As stated AD has been dented and manipulated which is very comparable to the examples being used against juggs
