Who's stronger: Captain America or Wolverine?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
LOL I never said berserker. Actually read my post. And I didn't say adrenalin and berserker are the same thing. Look at my post no were did I make such a claim.

Plus Cap already held Logan against his will while he was in berserk mode.

Yes you wer implying that capt could amp his stats like wolverien could which he can't.

No he hasent. If your refferring to bone claws wolverine, capt was pinned to the ground and on top of that Logan was not Berserker capt speculation, not fact.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im assuming that was speed and skill as well, after all Cap has got out of a bear-hug from hercules before.

Logan gotten out of Hulk bear hug, but he did so using skill and dirty tactics this wa not the same as he did vs mursa.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes you wer implying that capt could amp his stats like wolverien could which he can't.

No he hasent. If your refferring to bone claws wolverine, capt was pinned to the ground and on top of that Logan was not Berserker capt speculation, not fact.

LOL. No because you say so. Its stated in book in volume 1 and thats why Cap refferred to his adrenaline before against Baron Blood in Invaders. Logan was not berserk and Cap on top? Your thinking of the wrong issue, I'm not talking about Origins. He held Logan who was in berserk against his will and held both of his arms as then Logan IIRC head-butted Cap to get out.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
LOL. No because you say so. Its stated in book in volume 1 and thats why Cap refferred to his adrenaline before against Baron Blood in Invaders. Logan was not berserk and Cap on top? Your thinking of the wrong issue, I'm not talking about Origins. He held Logan who was in berserk against his will and held both of his arms as then Logan IIRC head-butted Cap to get out.

oh and capt may have state his adrenline helps him or some crap, but that in no way is it anything like berserker. Logan with out berserker is capt equal in strength, with it he simply stronger. It amps his strength greatly.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Im not reffering to origins. capt and him were rolling he he had butted capt and held him down. Logan was not berserker, that was speculation on capt part, not fact it was actaully completely wrong capt assumed so becuases he was attacking him.

oh and capt may have state his adrenline helps him or some crap, but that in no way is it anything like berserker. Logan with out berserker is capt equal in strength, with it he simply stronger. It amps his strength greatly.

Rights your word is right and the story book having Cap say that is wrong. Other way around since you don't have the evidence from "that" story arch that says otherwise.

You don't know he is simply stronger, since on book Berserk Logan has never tested his strength against a adrenaline ready Cap. But then again Cap already held his own and held Logan against his will while berserk in the books anyhow.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Rights your word is right and the story book having Cap say that is wrong. Other way around since you don't have the evidence from "that" story arch that says otherwise.

If you new anything about berserker, mind controll would not work, he actually snap out of it. Not to mention the fact Logan not mindless beast when berserker he actually amazingly smart, using stratagies which has been stated on pannel.

Capt had never even seen wolverine berserker before he has no idea what logan looks like when he berserker he just assumed he was.

so pleases don't try that crap on me. I know how Logan is while berserker and thats not it.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
You don't know he is simply stronger, since on book Berserk Logan has never tested his strength against a adrenaline ready Cap. But then again Cap already held his own and held Logan against his will while berserk in the books anyhow.

actaully like I sitated earlier he was not berserker that was a misconception made by capt. He can't even be berserker while mind controlled.

and by held against his will you mean roll with him and then get pinned down helpess?

Logan berserker has been described as taking a zap pill..........one zap pill made a wolf so amp that it effortlessly ripped 3 tigers to shreds..........

Good arguments for both sides.

Still Cap imo.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

so pleases don't try that crap on me. I know how Logan is while berserker and thats not it.

PS: berserker is irrelevant anyways to this thread.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes, I'm sure we'll all gladly take your word over Captain America's 🙄 🙄 🙄

PS: berserker is irrelevant anyways to this thread.

Exactly. Logan was in berserk as stated and shown on book. His refutations are his own which are not much.

Originally posted by jinzin
Are you touched in the head? Or have you simply never worked out a day in your life?

Are you totally inept as to the total amount of weight one can move while applying a full body jerk compared to that of a simple reverse tricep extension?

All you have there is evidence that Wolverine's one muscle group of tricep brachi could actually hold off Captain America's full press, body weight and momentum/leverage for a significant amount of time.... and could do so while not even NEAR 100% as previously stated by hammer...... And you think that bodes WELL for the "Captain America is stronger" argument? 😐

This is usually the part where I break into hysterics at such foolishness... but this is just too pathetic.

Wolverine could use only his triceps (and maybe his shoulders?) If Cap was only forcing Wolverine's hands to his chest, but it seems like Cap is trying to move Wolverine's own claws into his throat (look at Wolverine's left hand at the first scan) Wolverine could counter this by using his biceps, shoulders and his upper back. So the feat's definitely more impressive than it would be if Cap was only holding Wolverine's hands to his chest.

It definitely doesn't mean that Cap > than Wolverine in strength though.

Originally posted by Starscream M
so breaking out of a bear hug by a mult-tonner is not PIS? ya hypocrite 🙄

To be honest it wasn't shown how he got out of the bear hug. He might have headbutted the bear, smashes his foot or elbowed him. Not to say that's not impressive.

In order to figure out who is the stronger of the two, we have to figure out what constitutes superhuman strength? I googled it and received an answer of a man that can lift 30 x his own weight. Seeing as how Wolverines skeleton is heavier while coated with an indestructible alloy, I would say that under normal circumstances that he carries around more weight than Captain America does on a per pound ratio.

If we were to measure them in this way I would say that Wolverine is stronger than Captain America despite the super soldier serum that runs through his body. Why? because his top strength has been recorded, and it topped out at 800 lbs. For a man of his size and weight Captain America would be the strongest man in our world... Wolverine however based off of feats has exceeded this by a healthy margin, so when we consider his size, and the durability of his enhanced skeleton Wolverine would be a little stronger.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Exactly. Logan was in berserk as stated and shown on book. His refutations are his own which are not much.

Too use the term berserk would be inaccurate as it implies an insurmountable blinding rage, which wasn't the case in that situation. Wolverine was under the affects of mind control was and was for all intensive purposes a mindless animal. He was just fallowing the orders he was given, he wasn't angry and there was no malace, he was fighting because he was told to and because it comes to him instictively.

Wolverine's berserker rage is something completely different than what was displayed on panel.

well i personally think wolverine is stronger than captain America, this is because of his adamantium skeleton, first it is not only indestructible but it is extremely dense, hence it increases the tensile strenght of his muscle fiber, making him stronger.
you also have to put into account of height to weight ratio... cap is 6feet 2inches tall.......wolverine 5ft 3inches, carries an extra dense 105lbs of adamantium .... yet they are almost on the same level.. if cap was 5ft 3.... there is no argument that wolverine is clearly stronger pound for pound.
From the scan, the angle and the direction of wolverine's arm is clearly at disadvantage, if his arm was facing the opposite direction that he would have a better chance of getting out without popping his claws back in. In every scene, it is almost impossible to overcome someone close in strenght and weight.
Another evidence i have is playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance... i was using Captain America and could not lift a box.... it says they need someone superhuman to lift the box.... so i switched to wolverine... since you select your team for a mission.. wolverine was on my team... well guess what?.. wolverine picked the box... it is clear that wolverine is stronger with or without going berserk.... note the margin of their strenght differential is not far from each other.

lol

Originally posted by wolverex84

Another evidence i have is playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance... i was using Captain America and could not lift a box.... it says they need someone superhuman to lift the box.... so i switched to wolverine... since you select your team for a mission.. wolverine was on my team... well guess what?.. wolverine picked the box... it is clear that wolverine is stronger with or without going berserk.... note the margin of their strenght differential is not far from each other.

Originally posted by wolverex84
well i personally think wolverine is stronger than captain America, this is because of his adamantium skeleton, first it is not only indestructible but it is extremely dense, hence it increases the tensile strenght of his muscle fiber, making him stronger.
you also have to put into account of height to weight ratio... cap is 6feet 2inches tall.......wolverine 5ft 3inches, carries an extra dense 105lbs of adamantium .... yet they are almost on the same level.. if cap was 5ft 3.... there is no argument that wolverine is clearly stronger pound for pound.
From the scan, the angle and the direction of wolverine's arm is clearly at disadvantage, if his arm was facing the opposite direction that he would have a better chance of getting out without popping his claws back in. In every scene, it is almost impossible to overcome someone close in strenght and weight.
Another evidence i have is playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance... i was using Captain America and could not lift a box.... it says they need someone superhuman to lift the box.... so i switched to wolverine... since you select your team for a mission.. wolverine was on my team... well guess what?.. wolverine picked the box... it is clear that wolverine is stronger with or without going berserk.... note the margin of their strenght differential is not far from each other.

In that game Ghost Rider couldn't lift a big box 😬

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan berserker has been described as taking a zap pill..........one zap pill made a wolf so amp that it effortlessly ripped 3 tigers to shreds..........

You keep mentioning this Zap pill. Is there a scan showing the effects of the zap pill on this forum and a comment of wolverine in comparison?

Captain America is DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!