Originally posted by Battlehammer
well the fact Logan can't be mind controlled while berserker pritty much, the fact Logan does not act like that while bereserker, the fact capt had pritty much zero knowledge of wolverine berserker and the fact smarter people then capt with more information have been wrong.so actaully there really more evdiences against you.
oh and like I said which you keep ignoring by your logic spidermsn stronger then thor.
None of those facts point out or change Cap's arch with Logan. Logan does act like that and you say Cap had zero knowledge is not backed up by anything other then your opinion.
Originally posted by jinzin
Which is exaclty what he was doing so the rest of your post is inconsequential. 😐
Why would Wolverine retract his claws if his claws were no danger to himself? 😐
Either Wolverine's intelligence is highly overrated or he HAD NO OTHER CHOICE than to retract his claws. 😐 😐 😐
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Originally posted by Rhinoceros🤨
Why would Wolverine retract his claws if his claws were no danger to himself? 😐Either Wolverine's intelligence is highly overrated or he HAD NO OTHER CHOICE than to retract his claws. 😐 😐 😐
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The hell are you talking about? Cap WAS forcing Wolverine's hands to his chest. The clawsextend 1 foot... Obviously with them out his hands can be at his chest with danger still present to his face. 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
🤨The hell are you talking about? Cap WAS forcing Wolverine's hands to his chest. The clawsextend 1 foot... Obviously with them out his hands can be at his chest with danger still present to his face. 😐
First scan, Wolvie's left hand. It looks like Cap's forcing Wolvies' claws to his throat.
Originally posted by jinzin
we're discussing where his hands are at not his claws.. they were practically on top of his chest.
...But if Cap was to slice Wolverine's throat/Jugular/whatever with his own claws, he would need to force Wolverine's hand forward closer to Wolverine's jaw. Wolverine would obviously struggle against this and use his shoulders, biceps and upper back to keep his hands and claws from moving nearer to his throat. Yes? No? If this is the case (Which I think it is) it's a bigger feat than people think (It wouldn't be much of a feat If Cap were just to hold Wolverine's hands in place) 😕
Originally posted by RhinocerosWolverine's claws were already in front of his face/neck from the x-block Cap was trying to push into them I don't think Wolverine was trying to pull them down to his waist...
...But if Cap was to slice Wolverine's throat/Jugular/whatever with his own claws, he would need to force Wolverine's hand forward closer to Wolverine's jaw. Wolverine would obviously struggle against this and use his shoulders, biceps and upper back to keep his hands and claws from moving nearer to his throat. Yes? No? If this is the case (Which I think it is) it's a bigger feat than people think (It wouldn't be much of a feat If Cap were just to hold Wolverine's hands in place) 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine's claws were already in front of his face/neck from the x-block Cap was trying to push into them I don't think Wolverine was trying to pull them down to his waist...
But that's what he would have to do if Cap was forcing the claw into his throat/moving it closer to the throat in a threatening manner.
Then again I might be misinterpreting the time they were on the ground. 😕
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
But that's what he would have to do if Cap was forcing the claw into his throat/moving it closer to the throat in a threatening manner.Then again I might be misinterpreting the time they were on the ground. 😕
You say it wouldn't be much of a feat if that's the case and I'm saying EXACTLY it wasn't much of one at all... That's why I scoff at those who use it.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, it wasn't. And stop using MUA characters' stats, this ain't gonna work. 'Cause it's not canon and just plain stupid.
whats so stupid about it?, men just chill, i don't get how you guys just get mad over little things like this, its just a topic, the game was based off on each character's stats,.... i really don't care what you think but if you have nothing productive to say, then don't say anything at all... people like you are why this threads are getting .
Anyway regardless of the source of evidence, wolverine has always been stated as superhuman while captain America is only peak human... the highest level a human can possibly be before becoming superhuman, based on that, wolverine is still stronger but the distance of strenght is not that much.
Again when you say strenght, it could mean Captain America is stronger in one area than wolverine while wolverine is stronger is say a different muscle group. But overall strenght wolverine is just plain stronger.. the weight of adamantium has stretched his muscle and toughed all connective tissues beyond human capability.
Originally posted by wolverex84
whats so stupid about it?, men just chill, i don't get how you guys just get mad over little things like this, its just a topic, the game was based off on each character's stats,.... i really don't care what you think but if you have nothing productive to say, then don't say anything at all... people like you are why this threads are getting .Anyway regardless of the source of evidence, wolverine has always been stated as superhuman while captain America is only peak human... the highest level a human can possibly be before becoming superhuman, based on that, wolverine is still stronger but the distance of strenght is not that much.
Again when you say strenght, it could mean Captain America is stronger in one area than wolverine while wolverine is stronger is say a different muscle group. But overall strenght wolverine is just plain stronger.. the weight of adamantium has stretched his muscle and toughed all connective tissues beyond human capability.
I'm not mad at you. Just wanted to point out that games are not canon to 616 continuity and this means that you can't use it in the debate. MUA is actually very inaccurate when it comes to stats, really.
Examples?
- Thor doesn't even have super-durability.
- Spider Woman and GR don't have super strength.
- Iron Man's "strike" level is way too low.
- GR can't regenerate.
- Only three characters (BP, DD and Elektra) can perform a somersault.
And these are just the examples. I don't argue that Cap's stronger than Wolverine though. I think they're pretty equal IF Logan doesn't have his adamantium. With adamantium, he's stronger.
Originally posted by jinzin
look, Wolverine is 5'2. He's not a tall guy. His claws are 1 foot in length. Think about it. Even IF he was trying to do what you think and bring his elbows back to draw his hands away from his face, even bringing his elbows all the way back 1 foot of claw is still far more than enough to reach into his face. Aside from that the ground is underneath him so there's nowhere to draw his arms back or down to.... The ONLY option Wolverine would have would be and was to push out with the triceps.You say it wouldn't be much of a feat if that's the case and I'm saying EXACTLY it wasn't much of one at all... That's why I scoff at those who use it.
He could've pulled his hands outwards from his body, to his sides, so that his claws would've pointed to his left and right at 45 degree angle. You can't deny that he couldn't struggled to keep the claws away from his face/throat if he were so and so much stronger than Cap.
I actually meant that it's not conclusive evidence that Cap's stronger than him.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Strength featsCap easily pushing the head of a soilder as it cracks the concrete.
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/9247/caf0603li3.jpgCarrying a motorcycle.
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8095/adventuresofcaptainamerdb4.jpgCap is startled a bit and crushes a gun.
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2021/adventuresofcaptainamernj4.jpgEasily breaking shackles.
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/2554/adventuresofcaptainamervc5.jpgBreaking chains.
http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/3047/captainamericav48p11hgwra3.jpgEasily bending jail bars.
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/4444/advofcaptainamerica416gg7.jpgAgain bending jail bars.
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9194/adventuresofcaptainamerqs8.jpgCatching a thick Torpedo and hitting the other with shield.
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3656/captainamerica37story2pqw5.jpgCap escaping from a huge snake with some aid.
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9692/captainamericav330p11bl8.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4901/captainamericav330p12iz8.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2010/captainamericav330p13jn8.jpgCap holding off the Superhuman Cap.
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/1802/captainamerica15605mm6.jpgCap holding off Maddog.
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/551/captainamerica41116cp1.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/751/captainamerica41117fa5.jpgCap holding the strong arms of Lady Octopus.
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=secretwar41314zh0.jpgThe Superhuman Berserk tilts a car over Cap, as we see later the car is upright.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7192/captainamerica24415tf6.jpgCap tearing metel off a tractor.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5274/cap339pg18wz6.jpgCap pulling the arm off a robot.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6751/captainamericavol31316fv4.jpgCap breaks out of a shield containment device.
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6906/captainamericavol31022rc6.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1537/captainamericavol31025sz5.jpgCap bend's the flap of a jet from the outside.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6562/captainamericavol31019sv2.jpgCap pulling a supply truck through the desert.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2944/captainamericadmr2of303zm4.jpgCap makes a steel door buckle as you see it twised up as its on the ground.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/189/camedusaeffect049td3.jpg
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/4290/camedusaeffect050mq6.jpgCap with the aid of his shield stops a falling elevator by applying it through the other side, as he applies enough force stops the elevator.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2904/captainamericav303315fm8.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2278/captainamericav303316un4.jpgCap manually closes the nuke launch doors.
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31222pg8.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31223sq0.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31224rb3.jpgCap keeps open the Gamma-core doors.
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrironmanv200610rougherki0.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrironmanv200613rougherpp2.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrironmanv200616rougherqs1.jpgCap works out easily with 1100 lbs.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7048/captainamericav1402ocd0fr6.jpgCap lifts a big piece of debris off.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6935/ca01036zc1.jpgCap easily deflects a statue thats stated to weigh a Ton or more.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6794/captainamerica256p13hi7.jpgCap tilts over a big heavy statue that he's chained up too.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8306/captainamericav305060aa0.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav305062ts1.jpgCap breaks out of cryogenic freezing, there was no space for levarage as we see even slight finger movements start breaking the thick ice.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4712/captainamerica444p22uk1.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1761/captainamerica44501id6.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1307/captainamerica44503zw3.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3151/captainamerica4450405al5.jpgCap picks up the massive Big Bertha.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2332/wca06420ny8.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3863/wca06421nj4.jpgNot many street characters tackle down or wrestle the big dogs of marvel. But Cap certainly doesn't mind.
Cap tackles Ironman.
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/3263/ai04018si4.jpgCap tackles Namor.
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/262/captainamericav412p22hgaz2.jpgCap tackles down the big three Ironman, Giantman, and Thor.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/2299/avengers00405yg6.jpgCap holds off Namor.
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav412p15hghy4.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav412p16hglq2.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav412p17hgth7.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav412p18hglj8.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav412p19hgwo0.jpgCap makes Thor/Ironman feel his strength as they are both holding Cap down.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7100/avengersv100903ve6.jpgCap holds up lots of debris and breaks out.
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8959/captainamerica36918gc4.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9294/captainamerica37001yd7.jpgCap holds up lots of falling concrete and steel.
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6338/captainamerica22817oh9.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/4535/captainamerica22902mv1.jpgCap holds up a good portion of a Skyscrapper.
http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol30924jh9.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol30925nh2.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31003ml6.jpg
Here's some food for thought.
