Wolverine vs. Abomination

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Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Everyone seems to be forgetting that this scenario is PIS/CIS-free.

Abomination wins every. single. time.

Sure, he may not have the same healing factor as Wolvie or Hulk, but the guy's known to be much stronger than Hulk.

One good haymaker will send Wolvie's body parts flying in the air.

Because Wolverine has never taken a direct hit from anyone with Aboms strength and shrugged it off? Because it is completley farfetched to think that Wolverine could dance around Aboms shots and counter with the foot long-indestructable-hard as ass hair claws.

And because no one as un-skilled, un-agile, slow and aged as Logan could possess the ability to slash eyes out?

mm hmm, you've made a good case there.

Originally posted by jinzin
Then why bring it up at all since it did nothing to contribute to the conversation..... 😐

Assuming that Logan doesn't roll with the punch, assuming Abom hit him at an up angle which would be weird considering how much taller Abom is, almost all of his attacks would certainly be directed downwards.

Well there's a few things... I'll get into them in a moment.

Which isn't really an advantage in his case given Logan's speed. All it means is that if and when he misses it's going to be that much harder to recover and counter.

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Okay, now there's no need to be utterly ridiculous here. First Abom isn't much smarter than Savage Hulk and that's when he's completely fine. Thunderclaps are not only out of character for Abom but out of his brain's ability to even formulate as a strategy 99% of the time.
Second, have you SEEN any of the times the thunderclaps have been used against Logan?

The only one that's ever even effected Logan on the battlefield caused him to go into a Berserker Rage and plunge his claws straight through Hulk. 😕

As for Hulk not using his full strength on Logan.... Are you KIDDING? At which point has Hulk EVER held back against Wolverine in a fight?
When you've got a big angry gargantuan screaming out "Hulk SMASH little man!" it's pretty damned clear that he's not going to be holding back for Wolverine's safety. Even in the WWH fight, Hulk recognized that pounding Logan as usual was going to get him nowhere. Given that he wanted logan out of the way as soon as possible where does it even become plausible that he was holding back there?
Given that this version of Hulk was times stronger than previous versions and he proved it in multiple fights; there's absolutely no proof, nor reason to even begin to theorize that Abom could pull off the same offensive on Wolverine and the fact that he has to worry about being mortally wounded is only the tip of the iceberg as to why.

Now, you want to talk about how there's not much stopping Logan from getting Brain damage here? Well.... WRONG....

Wolverine has EVERY SINGLE CONCEIVABLE ADVANTAGE in this fight with the exception of strength.. and strength is simply not enough...

Experience- Wolverine's lived several lifetimes and been a reincarnating warrior spirit since biblical times. His skills are so that he outfought the angel of death dozens of times without losing once and been in every major war since coming of age. Just walking onto the field Abom has to worry about going up against someone with much more tactical knowledge, muscle memory, and practice on the battlefield. It doesn't help that Wolverine also has fought tons and tons of bricks with a winning record. 😬 How many superhuman midgets has Abom fought that he's had to worry about? Based off experience alone, Wolverine's a difficult opponent to overcome.

Better fighter- Wolverine's such an exponentially better fighter than Abomination that there's no real world comparison I can come up with that even begins to demonstrate the gap in their abilities when it comes to fighting. You're talking about a guy on par with Captain America if not better. Even if Logan was a mere human his vast fighting skill would make for an interesting fight against Abomination.

Sheer speed- Wolverine has multiples upon multiples of speed feats and a number of them are going up against bricks just like Abomination. Attacking Hulk and Wendigo without having one blow landing on him. Knocking Kierrok out before Kierrok could even put up a suitable defense. And those are low end. Wolverine casually dodges machine gun fire, bats away rockets, and disappears infront of human sight. He's fast enough to make Spiderman think he's inferior in the speed department for a moment. Now Abomination has to worry about someone who's not only vastly more vetted and skilled than himself, but far faster by comparison to boot.

Enhanced agility- Wolverine's agility has helped to allow him to engage in close combat with Wendigo without being touched before knocking Wends out. He's fooled Hydra into thinking he's Beast, and dodged lasers in a confined space alongside Spiderman. With his agility not only can he compound on his speed to contort and avoid blows from Abomination but he can move from ground attacks to aerial attacks with smooth transitions and perfect balance. So now, Abom has to worry about a more experienced fighter, with vastly superior skill, who is zipping around faster than he can while employing acrobatics intermixed in defense and offense.

Claws- Wolverine can take an Abom punch to the head. He can take another to the head, and another. and another, and another... and so on and so forth... How many times can Abom afford to be punched by Wolverine in turn? Yeah, he can't. Even non life threatening attacks will draw lots of blood from Wolverine. Abomination has to worry about vitals, he has to worry about veins, arteries, he has to worry about accumulation. Wolverine isn't nearly as handicapped, he can take a number of Abomination's attacks and he's the only one here with a one hit killer weapon.

Healing Factor- It allows Wolverine to attack with total disregard to defense and focus completely on offense if he wants to. It's far faster than Abominations and can actually help Wolverine maintain and tolerate the damage he might take in the fight. Abom's doesn't simple as.

Enhanced Senses- Wolverine hearing and sense of smell allow him to fight skilled opponents while blinded even completely dodging attacks in the dark. His sense of touch can detect wind shifts in the air allowing him to react to things as fast as Cyk's eye beams before they reach him without looking. His sense of sight slows time down, allowing him to actually see bullets as they pass by him. His enhanced senses only compound on his speed advantage and add to the response time of his reflexes better allowing him to avoid being attacked at all.

Abomination has to worry about all this and you think Wolverine needs to be concerned about Abomination landing a glancing blow and sending him flying for miles?
Well let's see.. Hulk's done it several times, each time Wolverine's got up and run back to the fight.
Wrecker tried that, Wolverine ran back to the fight and diced him up.
Thing punched him through a building down a couple city blocks, he got back up, ran back to the fight....
I think you see where this is going....
And punching Logan away from the fight?

Yeah, that's a good strategy. At least the fight starts out where both guys can see each other. One hit that sends Logan flying miles isn't going to knock Logan out, it's going to help ensure Logan uses another one of his abilities that doesn't come into play at the start of the fight...
Stealth- The guy can sneak up on other superhumans with heightened senses, he can sneak up on deer, infiltrate the baxter building, run through the woods full sprint without making a sound, disappear in broad daylight.... It's possibly the worst thing Abomination could do here, it even allows Wolverine to fully recover from the hit. 😬

All Abomination has here is strength and reach.. that's it... no skills, no brains, no other powers. Just strength, reach, and the hope for a lucky punch (not only in hitting Logan at all, but KOing him when loads don't tend to work most of the time as it is). So the question is, do you think Abom is a lucky guy? To me, his face would dictate otherwise. 😐

I seen the thunderclaps you posted in the respect thread. And against the X-Men Cyclops doesn't look any worse off than Logan. Unless something happens the next page to show Logan is better off than the others. And as for the Thing..Mr. Fantastic is completely fine also without either being knocked away. The only one where nothing happens in when Hulk creates that huge crater.

Though I only said it would knock him back to null his whole speed advantage thing. Not that it would do any damage.

And I was talking about Hulk not using all his strength in WWH against Logan. He didn't even want to fight any of them just get them out of the way.

I'm just saying it's not out of the realm of possibility for Abom to win.

Originally posted by Kento
I seen the thunderclaps you posted in the respect thread. And against the X-Men Cyclops doesn't look any worse off than Logan. Unless something happens the next page to show Logan is better off than the others. And as for the Thing..Mr. Fantastic is completely fine also without either being knocked away. The only one where nothing happens in when Hulk creates that huge crater.

Though I only said it would knock him back to null his whole speed advantage thing. Not that it would do any damage.

And I was talking about Hulk not using all his strength in WWH against Logan. He didn't even want to fight any of them just get them out of the way.

I'm just saying it's not out of the realm of possibility for Abom to win.

In the first example, the sheer fact that Wolverine's still conscious proves he's better off considering the Hulk battered him from the danger room to the second floor of the X-mansion...

In any case I fail to see where those examples lose their credability... unless of course you're embuing what the Thunderclap can do as being more effective than how it's represented.

I know what you were talking about and it's absurd. He may not have wanted to fight when he got there but he wasn't holding back once the fight got started.... He threw x-23 full bore through a stone wall. On top of that he flat out stated he didn't have time to fight Logan all day, so the only logical thing to assume is that he wasn't holding back his punches. 😬

Possibility? No... a snowballs chance maybe but still possible.
Probability. Definitely not.

Originally posted by jinzin
In the first example, the sheer fact that Wolverine's still conscious proves he's better off considering the Hulk battered him from the danger room to the second floor of the X-mansion...

In any case I fail to see where those examples lose their credability... unless of course you're embuing what the Thunderclap can do as being more effective than how it's represented.

I know what you were talking about and it's absurd. He may not have wanted to fight when he got there but he wasn't holding back once the fight got started.... He threw x-23 full bore through a stone wall. On top of that he flat out stated he didn't have time to fight Logan all day, so the only logical thing to assume is that he wasn't holding back his punches. 😬

Possibility? No... a snowballs chance maybe but still possible.
Probability. Definitely not.

I never said that a thunderclap would do more than knock him back..which it would and did along with the rest of the X-Men. I'm not arguing if it would hurt him or not.

Though does Thing's thunderclap even hit Logan or Reed?? It seems more to just hit Magneto and Storm.

He threw a chick he knew had a healing factor through a wall...How does that even equate to using his full strength. Any Hulk could accomplish that. Just like almost any Hulk should just be able to casually backhand Logan through those trees and beat Logan's brains around in his skull while holding him. He took him out the quickest way he knew how...which doesn't mean he had to use all his strength to do so.

Just a question. Is it possible that Wolverine could get hit hard enough that one or more bones could get dislocated? I'm sure that he doesn't have metal joints. Know what I mean?

Originally posted by Kento
I never said that a thunderclap would do more than knock him back..which it would and did along with the rest of the X-Men. I'm not arguing if it would hurt him or not.

Though does Thing's thunderclap even hit Logan or Reed?? It seems more to just hit Magneto and Storm.

He threw a chick he knew had a healing factor through a wall...How does that even equate to using his full strength. Any Hulk could accomplish that. Just like almost any Hulk should just be able to casually backhand Logan through those trees and beat Logan's brains around in his skull while holding him. He took him out the quickest way he knew how...which doesn't mean he had to use all his strength to do so.

And there's not even much eveidence to support that.

Okay, Hulk is not well aware of x-23's abilities. Has he ever seen her in action? No. Does he have composite files of her in his batcave? No. Is he telepathic? NO!

He threw a girl through a wall who didn't display that she could take anywhere NEAR that amount of Punishment and survive. Frankly the whole of the WWH storyline kinda dictates that he wasn't holding back on his opponents. 😬 But he changed all that when Wolverine one of his older and most prolific enemies show up? Puh-lease.

Sure any Hulk could knock Wolverine through a forest, or bash him into unconsciousness... but ALL of those Hulks wouldn't be holding back and neither did this one. The sheer fact that he's trying to get Logan out of his way as soon as possible dictates that it's much more logical to assume he's using full strength than not. And frankly, you have no proof of any sort to back up that claim of yours up anyhow. In any case, it doesn't matter as that Hulk>>>>>> Abomination in just about every way and even then he would have been downed without his healing factor.

Originally posted by Leobama
Just a question. Is it possible that Wolverine could get hit hard enough that one or more bones could get dislocated? I'm sure that he doesn't have metal joints. Know what I mean?
Logan's bones are fused at the molecular level. Don't ask me how that works I don't know. All I know is that there's a reason his head stays connected when he gets an uppercut from a class 100 and that's the closest thing as to an explanation for why.

What about in the Ultimate universe when the Hulk pulls him apart? And please don't say "because it's the ultimate universe."

Originally posted by jinzin
Logan's bones are fused at the molecular level. Don't ask me how that works I don't know. All I know is that there's a reason his head stays connected when he gets an uppercut from a class 100 and that's the closest thing as to an explanation for why.
no...logan's bones are NOT fused...there's no evidence for that whatsover

Spiderman's head stays connected from his body when he gets uppercutted by bricks as well

Originally posted by Starscream M
no...logan's bones are NOT fused...there's no evidence for that whatsover

Spiderman's head stays connected from his body when he gets uppercutted by bricks as well

Yeah and Cap as well...

Originally posted by Leobama
What about in the Ultimate universe when the Hulk pulls him apart? And please don't say "because it's the ultimate universe."
Except it is because it's the ultimate universe.

But really the main reason his head doesn't come off is because it's Wolverine, just like scores of other characters heads don't come off.

Originally posted by Mindset
Except it is because it's the ultimate universe.

But really the main reason his head doesn't come off is because it's Wolverine, just like scores of other characters heads don't come off.

Well I'm talking about the actual feat now. The Hulk pulled him apart.

Originally posted by Leobama
Well I'm talking about the actual feat now. The Hulk pulled him apart.

Yeah it was the utlimate universe, its not canon to the mainstream one.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah it was the utlimate universe, its not canon to the mainstream one.
Dang it!

Originally posted by Starscream M
no...logan's bones are NOT fused...there's no evidence for that whatsover

There's plenty of evidence.

Originally posted by Leobama
What about in the Ultimate universe when the Hulk pulls him apart? And please don't say "because it's the ultimate universe."

What about it?

It's the Ultimate Universe. You don't want to hear that, then don't bing it up. The sheer fact is that Ultimate Wolverine's had his pinky blown off, been ripped in half by Hulk, and had his arm ripped off by Apocalypse without even trying.

616 Wolverine couldn't be ripped apart by ba'al, couldn't be ripped apart by Hulk, and his head stayed connected when SS tried to cut it off by striking in between the vertebre....

It's been stated that 616's bones are fused at the molecular level. There's a reason why Logan's bones stay conected when everything else is blown away. I don't know what else to tell you.

Originally posted by jinzin
What about it?

It's the Ultimate Universe. You don't want to hear that, then don't bing it up. The sheer fact is that Ultimate Wolverine's had his pinky blown off, been ripped in half by Hulk, and had his arm ripped off by Apocalypse without even trying.

Don't forget about UColossus ripping his leg off.

Originally posted by jinzin
The sheer fact is that Ultimate Wolverine's had his pinky blown off, (...)

Marvel Knights: Wolverine/Hulk #3

This speaks for itself. Logan felt some discomfort of course, but his phalanges stayed connected.

Originally posted by jinzin

It's been stated that 616's bones are fused at the molecular level. There's a reason why Logan's bones stay conected when everything else is blown away. I don't know what else to tell you.

Got a scan or quote?