Wolverine vs. Abomination

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Yeah but abomination isn't going to hit him easily is the point...I believe Cap has the reflexes to dodge abominations punches...give cap an adamantium sword, and this ends very fast....unless abomination does manage to tag him that...just giving a possible scenario of how Wolverine MIGHT beat abomination not saying it happens every time. The reason why Hulk has not been beaten by Logan is because of his insane regeneration. The first time Wolverine would have KOED him if not for the fact that he was healing the wounds as fast as Wolverine could cut them. That was the retconned explanation anyway. Grey Hulk would have been one-shotted if not for the HF. Granted Grey Hulk is weaker than Green but still..during their last encounter Wolverine would have blinded Hulk and probably secured a win if not for Hulks healing...the same could be said for Wolverine but against someoen as strong as Hulk who doesn't heal nearly as fast, Wolverine has some huge advantages..suppose he takes out Abominations eyes like he did Hulks? Now Abom is screwed and is going down hard...he won't be able to ignore Logan's slashes (which were drawing green blood) like Hulk did because of his HF.

That being said Hulk has hit Logan and so can Abomination...if Logan gets grabbed before he can do real damage, then Logan's getting his brain damaged again. I say either way 5/10.

Yes, Wolverine has taken blows from the Hulk before, and they f'ed him up real good. Abomination wouldnt hold back like Wonderman either. A lot of people seem to be in the mindset that just surviving a fight with the Hulk is proof Wolverine would win here. I'd say Abomination has taken it to the Hulk worse than Wolverine has. Also, if you are going to use the high showings, use the low ones as well. People slower than Abomination have tagged Wolverine before.

If Loeb is writing, Wolverine could just grab a gun and shoot Abomination.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Yes, Wolverine has taken blows from the Hulk before, and they f'ed him up real good. Abomination wouldnt hold back like Wonderman either. A lot of people seem to be in the mindset that just surviving a fight with the Hulk is proof Wolverine would win here. I'd say Abomination has taken it to the Hulk worse than Wolverine has. Also, if you are going to use the high showings, use the low ones as well. People slower than Abomination have tagged Wolverine before.

Originally posted by Blight
KMC Rules... you don't take low showings... does NO ONE read the rules before they become a member here anymore?

No kidding smart guy. The point I was making is, if everyone wants to toss in these high showings from Wolverine, you should be ready to have a few low ones thrown at you.

Have these two fought before?

By the way........Logan is tailor made to fight such characters.

This whole "Wolverine was meant to fight bricks" argument is really getting lame. How much luck has he had fighting Hulk? Or Juggernaut? Just being able to hang in there briefly with these guys doesnt mean he can consistantly beat them. Its even worse when people mis-classify characters as bricks, like Namor.

Originally posted by redhotrash
This whole "Wolverine was meant to fight bricks" argument is really getting lame. How much luck has he had fighting Hulk? Or Juggernaut? Just being able to hang in there briefly with these guys doesnt mean he can consistantly beat them. Its even worse when people mis-classify characters as bricks, like Namor.

Abomination is inferior to the Hulk though. Hulk has kicked his arse goodness knows how many times in the past.

I don't think Abomination heals anywhere near as fast as Hulk. Thus Logan will be able to do serious damage with his adamantium claws.

It's not really an argument that Logan is tailor made to fight bricks......it's a fact. 🙂 Unbreakable bones,insane healing factor, superb fighting skills, more than adequate superhuman speed and claws which can cut through anything. Plus an overall impressive history against bricks.

A history that includes being creamed by Hulk pretty much anytime he isnt able to get a PIS "win". Or getting put down by a backhand from Juggernaut?
I'll admit that Abomination isnt as good as the Hulk, but hes written to be a lot more ruthless. I may be wrong but I dont see Hulk as really being faster than Abomination. Strength wise, is there really that much difference between a 200 tonner and a 300 tonner? Either will K.O. Wolverine. Also I'd argue that Abomination is a bit more skilled than at least Savage Hulk.

Originally posted by redhotrash
A history that includes being creamed by Hulk pretty much anytime he isnt able to get a PIS "win". Or getting put down by a backhand from Juggernaut?
I'll admit that Abomination isnt as good as the Hulk, but hes written to be a lot more ruthless. I may be wrong but I dont see Hulk as really being faster than Abomination. Strength wise, is there really that much difference between a 200 tonner and a 300 tonner? Either will K.O. Wolverine. Also I'd argue that Abomination is a bit more skilled than at least Savage Hulk.

1.I'm not too knowledgeable of Logan and Hulk's past fights. But I'm sure it's not 'PIS' as you call it..........I think we both know Logan has put up good resistance but you may not like it. I say again Hulk is superior to Abomination.

2.Logan has pwned Abomination in the past. He is tailor made to fight Abomination. He is fast enough to avoid getting hit and if he does get hit he has his healing factor.Abomination will not be KOing Logan as you put it. He WILL hurt abomination badly when he strikes him (and he WILL strike him allot) since his claws are adamantium. Add the fact that Logan is an insanely good fighter and Abomination...........well is a big relatively slow brick.

Logan wins as he has done in the past.

Putting up "good resistance" isnt a win. Its just delaying your loss. I never said Abomination was better than Hulk. Im just saying hes close enough to Hulk to get a win here. And by PIS win I mean BFR or other nonsense. Show me a scan or issue where Wolverine beats Hulk and its not under ridiculous circumstances.
As for Wolverine beating the Abomination already, I hope you arent referring to that earlier scan, which has been pretty much universally accepted in the previous 4 pages as being non-cannon.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Putting up "good resistance" isnt a win. Its just delaying your loss. I never said Abomination was better than Hulk. Im just saying hes close enough to Hulk to get a win here. And by PIS win I mean BFR or other nonsense. Show me a scan or issue where Wolverine beats Hulk and its not under ridiculous circumstances.
As for Wolverine beating the Abomination already, I hope you arent referring to that earlier scan, which has been pretty much universally accepted in the previous 4 pages as being non-cannon.

1.Hulk is much much better than Abomination.Abomination doesn't heal anywhere near as fast as the Hulk, which is why he can't and won't shrug off getting sliced and diced by a fast highly skilled opponent well suited to taking down bricks.

2.Haven't really read the previous pages. I was also under the impression they had fought numerous times before. Meh. Logan wins because Abomination is outmatched where it counts. He only has the strength and size advantage against Logan. These are not enough and almost meanigless against Logan.

Originally posted by redhotrash
A history that includes being creamed by Hulk pretty much anytime he isnt able to get a PIS "win". Or getting put down by a backhand from Juggernaut?
I'll admit that Abomination isnt as good as the Hulk, but hes written to be a lot more ruthless. I may be wrong but I dont see Hulk as really being faster than Abomination. Strength wise, is there really that much difference between a 200 tonner and a 300 tonner? Either will K.O. Wolverine. Also I'd argue that Abomination is a bit more skilled than at least Savage Hulk.

Creamed anytime he doesn't get a win?

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You act as if losing to Hulk at all is more than enough reason to give Blonski the nod here... Which is ridiculous considering that Emil has an even longer history of "getting creamed" by the Hulk with far less wins to his credit...
PIS? That's you're subjective point of view... funny though that it isn't Marvel's or that of about 2 dozen different writers either which is the only thing that really matters here.

And; More ruthless makes him (Abom) a more dengerous contender?

Funny. Bullseye's far more ruthless than Abomination I guess he's more of a threat than either Abom OR Hulk.... OR Proffesor X. 🙄

What an absurd premise. The fact is that there's nothing but consistent history between Hulk and Wolverine and Wolverine giving Hulk one hell of a fight. Whether he has Adamantium OR bone.

You ARE wrong about Hulk being slower than Abomination. Abomination couldn't catch Angel or Marrow, Hulk's smacked Spiderman around.
Blonski ISN'T more skilled than Hulk either. I have no idea where you're getting that notion from. Emil may have a bit more brains than Savage Hulk but he still fights like a standard brick.

Of course Abomination has enough strength to KO Logan.... with enough hits landed... It just isn't likely he'll land those hits before Logan rips him to shreds.

"Funny. Bullseye's far more ruthless than Abomination I guess he's more of a threat than either Abom OR Hulk.... OR Proffesor X. "

Have Abom Logan or Hulk killed someone by spitting loose teeth at them?? 😈

Originally posted by redhotrash
This whole "Wolverine was meant to fight bricks" argument is really getting lame. How much luck has he had fighting Hulk? Or Juggernaut? Just being able to hang in there briefly with these guys doesnt mean he can consistantly beat them. Its even worse when people mis-classify characters as bricks, like Namor.

He's fought the Hulk 20 some odd times and won about Half a dozen of those fights, fighting another half of them to a standstill.... 😕

Juggernaught? He outlasted both storm and Colossus the only time he ever fought Juggs. He landed a MASSIVE offensive attack on Juggernaught's torso which would have skewered anyone without a shield empowered by Cyttorak. Infact the second time they encountered one another he had to use his shield again so he's done VERY well against a guy like Juggs.. Not that the comparison even matters considering that Marko's stronger, smarter, and invulnerable.... How you feel that robs Wolverine of any credability against Abomination is completely rediculous.

Originally posted by redhotrash
This whole "Wolverine was meant to fight bricks" argument is really getting lame. How much luck has he had fighting Hulk? Or Juggernaut? Just being able to hang in there briefly with these guys doesnt mean he can consistantly beat them. Its even worse when people mis-classify characters as bricks, like Namor.

well wolverine actually does extremly well against hulk, and stalemates a good number of times. Abomniation is weaker and cant heal at a fraction of hulks speed.

And juggernuat come on, how many non telepaths can you honestly say can actually beat him. He is invulnerable to non magic physical force, so not being able to beat him isnt a bad thing

Originally posted by jinzin
He's fought the Hulk 20 some odd times and won about Half a dozen of those fights, fighting another half of them to a standstill.... 😕

Juggernaught? He outlasted both storm and Colossus the only time he ever fought Juggs. He landed a MASSIVE offensive attack on Juggernaught's torso which would have skewered anyone without a shield empowered by Cyttorak. Infact the second time they encountered one another he had to use his shield again so he's done VERY well against a guy like Juggs.. Not that the comparison even matters considering that Marko's stronger, smarter, and invulnerable.... How you feel that robs Wolverine of any credability against Abomination is completely rediculous.

Cosigned..

And just wanted to add that in Wolverine's fight with WW Hulk, Hulk would have been blinded and in serious trouble had he possessed only Abominations healing and durability. Heck, he probably wouldn't have been able to smack Wolverine into the trees the way Hulk did. (I'm talking about his recent fight where Wolverine got brain damage) Wolverine commented how his skin was harder to cut, and he was STILL drawing green blood and heck, he even scratched his eyes out. If Hulk had Aboms healing, he would have been KOED to bits.

Didn't Hulk do just fine while blinded during WWH when his healing factor was out for a bit in the X-men issues?

Abom could easily replicate what Hulk did to Logan. Well besides the healing from being blinded but he should be able to swat Logan away like he's nothing. Logan weighs what a few hundred pounds...If Abom gets his hands on Logan he'll win. By BFR if nothing else.

Originally posted by Kento
Didn't Hulk do just fine while blinded during WWH when his healing factor was out for a bit in the X-men issues?

Abom could easily replicate what Hulk did to Logan. Well besides the healing from being blinded but he should be able to swat Logan away like he's nothing. Logan weighs what a few hundred pounds...If Abom gets his hands on Logan he'll win. By BFR if nothing else.

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Hulk's healing factor was working just fine. It wasn't out for a bit which was the whole damned point. 😬

That if it were, or was anything like Abominations limited ability he would have been downed.
Which is absolutely true. With one cut to any one of the Ulna, Radial, or Brachial arteries that run down the arm, Hulk without a healing factor would have bled out in mere seconds experiencing any of all sorts of symptoms like dizziness, lack of oxygen, or even seizures before dying. Given the sheer amount of blood that was falling out of his arm, I think it's safe to assume Wolverine probably hit a couple of those. That's why the comparison to WWH isn't only an innacurate comparison but a stupid one. If that was Abomination he would have been dead. So no, Abom can't "easily replicate" what WWH did to Logan.
WWH is immensly more powerful than Abom.
He's Smarter.
Faster.
And has a healing factor that dwarfs even the likes of Logan.

By the time WWH had Koed Logan Abomination would have suffered heavy bleeding from his back, eyes, chest, ribs, and losing arterial blood out his arms...... That's something that Abom won't sustain before he can knock Logan unconcious, there's really nothing to argue there.

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