Dante (DMC 4) Vs Sephiroth (Advent Children)

Originally posted by Burning thought
]no, they take the same damage, the fact they can recover from that damage is survivability. False, regeneration doesnt resist wear, thats durability, it simply reforms the damage that lack of durability has already let through. Then how did you figuire it out?

Holy failed against Meteor...infact the team say that it only made it worse...what do you mean he doesnt have it? he gains it in FF7, where does it go?

How the hell would Sephiroth still have it? His body was destroyed in the northern crator, and Holy destroyed everything in the Northern Crator when it was unleashed, the next time Sephiroth was alive, and got his body was in Midgar where him and Cloud fought, how the hell would he still have it?

Ive already given the logic of how Omega wepaon, Chaos, Weiss have obvious shown advantages, if you choose to ignore it then it shows how pathetic a debator you are.

But they didnt say he was above a character, he simply said he was nobody was above Sephiroth...not to mention as ive stated before, its Hyperbole. Weve alreayd seen someone above him,Cloud who in all honesty is a pathetic specimen compared to Chaos/Omega weapon.

Because in a debate its feat vs feat, you dont have to do the spell if its shown, given logic and purpose, the fact is, your saying Sephiroth is above them without logic or feats, you following a statement that could easily be hyperbole or misread. And you assume he has all the magic of the Neg lifestream, you assume that just because his remnants can kock down trees he is going to be far superior.

revagged? so far your only argument is "no its not, your wrong...." thats not an argument, its a statement, so technically ime the only one who has arguments so far.

DT drains? you love using gameplay dont you....yeh ill do the same coz Dante can use a purple star any time he wants and regain all his DT!!

SHM seems to think it is, and apprently so do the creators, what is it you say now...the creators know more about it than you do! [/B]

Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]He blocks over his body with his enormous sword against an opponent who is fireing one or two shots every so often.....pathetic feat compared to spinning a thin sword hitting bullets that are coming faster and in more numerous form.

LT? we were talking about my random joke of draining Superman of energy and making Pyron a speck...altho the LT thing was like 3 years ago, since then most people on tis forum have realised certain feats dont excist, like it was found Pyron is not the size of the Andromeda galaxy for example and V2D was wrong on that like I was wrong about LT long before even that....thing is, weve evolved in debating, your exactley the same as always, simply not giving any real argument and fan wanking sephiroth to the max...

Then when V2D said Pyron would take Kain out before he even thinks, you repled "Pyron? prove it....Kain compounds him, time controls and compounds him...dimension moves to another excistence, starts time powers in that dimension..pulls any of them into the time lapse....then does his stuff..your underating kain again"

Then V2D just basically gave you the /facepalm and said "You know what...I give up, you are by far the most deluded and ignorant fanboy here"

You have not evolved, you're still as pathetic but in a much less funnier way.

HAHA not, guarante
WHat you meant is stated quite clearly in my profile...

I meant it when I said GOW Kratos, who has very few abilities in his first game could be Tked by Kain...thats not ourageous at all, its obvous you simply added any random crap in there...

You assume he can use magic from the lifestream just because it has cells in it.....you also continually bring up how your trying to pathetically shrug off Sephiroth as more than he is just because he shows little strength or speed feats in comparison to Dante or otherwise.

No I admitted Dante has SHOWN more FEATS, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger, Sephiroth has done impressive comparable feats in his weakest form, without exerting himself, if we compare Dante Sword clash with Vergil against CC Sephiroths sword clash with Genesis, CC Sephiroths wass much more powerful, as it cratored iron below him, while Dantes only pushed raindrops. Or CC Sephiroth clashing his sword against a barrier which cratored concrete below him. So theres really no way to make a statement that Dante is stronger then AC Sephiroth and try to say its fact.

Apart from those not under the effects of Hyperbole.

Minerva controls lifestream>Meteor>Holy>Sephiroth

What happened when Sephiroth went into the lifestream? He infected it and started to take over, could the lifestream claim his soul? No. He already stopped Holy, and Holy has already destroyed meteor, thats my reasoning. So where's yours?

They never mentioned any other character other than Sephiroth dude...now your slippng in your own crap

unless its hyperbole

already done many times...

you simply wining "no your wrong!!" is not shutting anything down, even when many people are against your little Terries final wankstasy of Sephiroth you still cannot pull out anything other than "zomg but hes not shown his real power"

Uhh no, i'm giving you reasons, YOU on the other end have only been complaining "y0U A BAD D3BATOOOOOR!!!" over and over again, evertime I shut you down.

Keep trying though BT.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Then should we ignore this statement from the UOG?

"Due to its amazing [b]regeneration capabilities, Jenova's divided cells reunite to become one again."\

And should we ignore this statement from the RF?

"One of the properties Jenova possesses is that separated pieces of flesh, called cells, will regenerate back to their original form"

Now lets look at this logically, throughout FF7 game (while Sephiroth is ALIVE), Sephiroth used pieces of Jenova, each piece would fully transform into Sephiroth, Sephiroth being the new Jenova. Does the mass of the arm, or the mass of the leg equal up to Sephiroth? No. So how does he transform? Easily, he uses part of Jenovas ability stated from above, REGENERATION. He regenerates his original arms, legs, ever appearance, even his sword, from a piece of Jenova leg or arm.

Now in AC, Sephiroth is dead, he cannot do anything with the Jenova cells, which is his power. What he can do is guide his spirit body (stated by the UOG that the trio were Spirit bodies) to take in Jenova's cells, in that box. That would revive Sephiroth. So once Kadaj took in the cells, what happens? The same thing he has been doing in FF7, he fully regenerates his arm, legs, his entire being, even his sword. It wouldn't have made a difference if Kadaj was a midget, a 50 lb kid, or a dog the size of an arm, or anything, as long as the Jenova cells were there, he would regenerate his full form. [/B]

Considering he has only "regenerated" from inside Kadaj, who was Sephiroth's host, why should we assume he can do better?

What you are suggesting is a no-limits fallacy.

And let's not mention the fact that if he could regenerate on his own from cells in a box, why would he even need Kadaj?

Because he isn't alive in AC, whereas in FF7 he's alive. It's the same reason why a piece of Jenova bodypart was able to turn into a fully formed Sephiroth in FF7, its a Jenova ability. Sephiroth has all of Jenova's abilities, but he couldn't do squat in AC because he was dead. Once the spirit body took in the cells, Sephiroth is revived, and from the cells // the Jenova power, he formed his original body, the same ability he used to turn small pieces of Jenova bodies into full Sephiroth forms

Originally posted by Terryc250
Alright lets use logic here, all 3 of them couldn't defeat Cloud. Sephiroth without using any of his abilities or exerting himself could have killed Cloud if he wanted to (fact)

If we're going by percentages each one of them wouldn't even have 25% of Sephiroths power.

Originally posted by Terryc250
What would speed have anything to do with it? holy which is more powerful (could wreck a planet) and faster (could travel continents in seconds) was stopped in its tracks by Sephiroth, what makes you think Dante could escape it? Sephiroths TK works on a thought, so as soon as he thinks. Sephiroth also has instant teleportation which he can go and teleport somewhere far, then TK him from a distance, then use the Negative Lifestream and basically wipe out the entire area Dante is in.

Originally posted by Terryc250
The remnants aren't even a quarter of his power, if they were then all of them wouldve been a match for Cloud, it has been stated Sephiroth didn't exert himself in the fight or used his powers, yet even still then it was more then enough to defeat Cloud, yet the 3 of them couldn't even do that.

Originally posted by Terryc250
We already know Sephiroths powers, he has the powers of Jenova, which has been shown throughout the games, he has his TK, which has stopped Holy, he has his NL, which is basically the blood of the planet. The only thing we cannot debate is his strength/speed/durability because we have not seen it, we can only see it through logical reasons.

Originally posted by Terryc250
I'm not talking about Loz, Loz wouldn't even rank in the top 15 characters in FF7. I'm talking about Omega WEAPON, Chaos Vincent, Minerva. Those characters would crush Dante.

Originally posted by Terryc250
No, because if you look, Loz was stationary the whole time as the bench basically already reached Tifa, he moved there instantly.

Originally posted by Terryc250
He hasn't shown any durability, but its been stated he can regenerate, he formed his new body instantly once he was revived.

Originally posted by Terryc250
It freezes the opponent, then time stands still and he cuts through the persons wpirit a bunch of times.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Because Sephiroth gained the NL in AC, he only fought for 10 minutes of toying around with Cloud, and not using his powers. The Negative Lifestream is the liefstream under Sephiroths influence. The lifestream was capable of disintegrating a meteor that was about to destroy the planet, and its the source of all magic and life in FF7. Sephiroth is stated the supreme character in FF7 so he's above characters like Weiss, Chaos vincent, Omega, etc

Originally posted by k1Lla441
Thats just the thing, for the last time if sephiroth tried, we dont know if it would be a good fight between him and cloud, we dont know if it would last only 1 second. So of the 3 of them that cloud could beat, lets say seph did exert himself in a fight with cloud, and seph did twice as better than cloud (im just guessing, since we cant judge cus seph never tries), then it not be as low as 25% as you say. It doesnt matter how much you guess, well never know until seph tries, so until then, like ive said a million times, we have to take sephs greatest feats, which arent better than dantes imo.

Sephroth greatest feats are ABOVE Dante's. Can Dante stop a planet wrecking power? No. Sephiroth controls the NL, with a gesture he could kill Dante right there.

Dante is extremely fast, and his extreme speed + the fact he has quicksilver would make him multiple times faster than he already is. That, mixed in with his teleportation would make him fast enough to even get seph before he could make that thought. And remember, teleporting that far away wouldnt do anything because dante can fly, so teleporting high in the air means nothing.

What are you talking about? this makes no sense because seph lost the fight against cloud. he may not have been trying, but to say that seph wasnt trying and still beat cloud is a lie.

we can debate his strenght/speed/durability from the feats hes done. Please dont tell me that he didnt give any form of stre/speed/durability. Find one small strenght feat he did, even if its very tiny, and we have to take that. Do the same with the other 2, and there ya go, those are his feats. He cant go through a fight and not shed one ounce of strength, now can he?

prove it.

Then the cutscene goes to her face about 1-1 1/2 seconds.

So can dante. Dante has got stabbed plenty of times by many swords, and the only time it hurt him was with yamato, which wasnt even the stab that hurt him. At one point dante had like 5 scythes in him and just stood up and started fighting like nothing had happened.

So it can instantly hit anyone no matter how fast or what the circumstances? if your answer is yes, then prove it.

a meteor may be fast, but it only goes in 1 direction towards the earth. dante on the other hand can move around seph, and not just go in one direction, can fly, slow time in many different ways, and has a shadow than can only be hurt by light on his side. [/B]

Originally posted by Terryc250
It wouldn't have amde a different if his sword was smaller or bigger, if it was smaller he'd have far more speed. Even Zack could effortlessly do it, and Zack is basically the inferior version of Cloud. Let alone people like Chaos, Sephiroth, or Weiss.

A Joke? Lie more please? You obviously weren't joking because you kept debating it.

Then when V2D said Pyron would take Kain out before he even thinks, you repled "Pyron? prove it....Kain compounds him, time controls and compounds him...dimension moves to another excistence, starts time powers in that dimension..pulls any of them into the time lapse....then does his stuff..your underating kain again"

Then V2D just basically gave you the /facepalm and said "You know what...I give up, you are by far the most deluded and ignorant fanboy here"

You have not evolved, you're still as pathetic but in a much less funnier way.

Uhh no, if you go back to the ORIGINAL post you would see what i meant.

If he was TK'd he'd just fling his blades out and chop off Kains arm thats sticking out.

I don't assume, i use logic. If his remnants who have little control over it, who cannot use it to the extent of Sephiroth,, were able to use the NL as a source of magic, then OBVIOUSLY Sephiroth, who has been shown to even use it to create life already, can do it as well. That's common sense.

No I admitted Dante has SHOWN more FEATS, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger, Sephiroth has done impressive comparable feats in his weakest form, without exerting himself, if we compare Dante Sword clash with Vergil against CC Sephiroths sword clash with Genesis, CC Sephiroths wass much more powerful, as it cratored iron below him, while Dantes only pushed raindrops. Or CC Sephiroth clashing his sword against a barrier which cratored concrete below him. So theres really no way to make a statement that Dante is stronger then AC Sephiroth and try to say its fact.

Actually,
Sephiroth > Lifestream > Holy > Meteor

What happened when Sephiroth went into the lifestream? He infected it and started to take over, could the lifestream claim his soul? No. He already stopped Holy, and Holy has already destroyed meteor, thats my reasoning. So where's yours?

Uhh no, i'm giving you reasons, YOU on the other end have only been complaining "y0U A BAD D3BATOOOOOR!!!" over and over again, evertime I shut you down.

Keep trying though BT.

Why wouldnt it have made a diffrence? ofc it would, if I try to block something coming at me with 2 mm square and then do the same with a 10 meter one ime more likely to block the object with the larger defence....Cloud has a huge sword to hide behind, Vergil with ease blocks far more bullets by spinning his sword and hitting every one by a skilled marksman.....

post the actual thread, I only remember mentioning superman in a joke I made in a Comic book VS section, I wouldnt be debating Pyron seriously out of games VS, I couldnt anyway, it would be closed.

Nah we have all evolved, except you "zomg he has billionz of spells from the negative lifestreams!"

err wah? thats the best youve got? its obvious you have no clue about Kratos, Kain could do 101 things with kratos using TK alone, its obvious youve just goofed up...

I laughed to myself as soon as I hit "i use logic" and no thats not logic, his remnants have shown to be able to use magic from it, Sephiroth has not....trying to go further than that is assumption.

Him stopping the saviour with fair ease from punching him into a mushy piece on the ground is far stronger than anything Sephiroth or his remnants have shown.

Where did holy destroy meteor?

lie, you like to lie alot, show me a quote....like when I shut you down in the "Kain cantz TK blood!!" debate.....go on, go and find it and prove that ive been somehow shut down.. Calling you a bad debator is likely what everyone is thinking who debates against you, goofing around with your assumptions, sephiroth love and lack of knowledge on other games just brings people to pity you trying rather than take you seriously.

Originally posted by Terryc250
I just gave you the proper definition of survivability, stop trying to change the definition. You're failing to comprehend that at the end of the day, a person is more durable if they can regenerate. When we talk about characters and their durability, we talk about how much damage the character can take before dying. A person who can regenerate can take more damage then a person who cannot. Deadpool would survive gunshot wounds while Cyclops cannot, which means Deadpool is more durable.

Because Holy was unleashed right when meteor basically already hit? If Holy was unleashed from the beginning then it wouldve destroyed Meteor long before it reached the planet.

How the hell would Sephiroth still have it? His body was destroyed in the northern crator, and Holy destroyed everything in the Northern Crator when it was unleashed, the next time Sephiroth was alive, and got his body was in Midgar where him and Cloud fought, how the hell would he still have it?

No you haven't, i've already smashed every one of your arguments you're just being a stubborn kid. Thats why you cannot state anything anymore.

You stated Hyperbole out of bias. Do you have any evidence for any one of the statements? No. Cloud isn't above Sephiroth, everyone knows this except you, because you cannot use your brain and try far too hard to downplay Sephiroth. Cloud Omnislashes, Chaos he's dead. Cloud Omnislashes Dante, he's dead. Omnislash is the only thing Cloud has because the creators simply give it to him for plot purposes.

Not only am I saying Sephiroth is above them, the damn creators have said it themselves, THREE f*ckin times... Sephiroth DOES have feats above them. Could anyone of them create a plague to give themselves power? could anyone of them revive themselves? Could anyone of them Stop Holy with sheer will? Could anyone of them take control of the blood of the planet? No.

Uh, i never said that. All you've been doing is trying too hard to downplay Sephiroth, and failing with each and every post.

Coming from the guy who just posted gameplay as evidence ROFL. So i'm asking you for evidence OUTSIDE of gameplay that he can use DT whenever he wants on a whim. If he could them he would've done ti against some of his cinematic fights, for example like against vergil?

The statement from the RF was that it happens in the Blink of an Eye.

No you didnt, you gave an example of how it can be used, a persons survivability in a debate is part of its use as well, like regen that helps it along, Regen is nothing to do with durability. No we talk about how much damage their bodies can refelct before being damaged, the fact bullets cannot penetrate Hulk make him more durable than Wolverines skin, which can be penetrated.

definition from dictionary:

1. Capable of withstanding wear and tear or decay: a durable fabric.

regeration is nothing to do with withstanding, its recoving, but not withstanding

Also how much of an idiot are you? really? i mean you said:

Originally posted by Terryc250
He hasn't shown any durability, but its been stated he can regenerate, he formed his new body instantly once he was revived.

what happened to ZOMG! but regen is durability!! just shows you dont want to seem so pathetic to everyone you debate with like youve already done with me.

It hadnt hit.....

The same way you seem to think he has any of his old spells and abilities, but if your saying he has zero spels and that everything he has shown previously is gone then thats fine by me.

If by smashed you mean simply stated "no coz your a fanboy! then sure, but if you mean smashed by using intelligent logic and evidence then no, not at all thats likely beyond you.

Where does it say they gave it to him because of plot purposes? I mean its quite obvious Cloud>Sephiroth, since weve seen it quite clearly, anyone who wanks about Sephiroth being under PIS we can all say the same about Cloud because he didnt Ominslash at the beginning.

Their not feats "above" the characters, their just diffrent powers, is Sephiroth a durable skyscraper sized being? no...Omega is..see another diffrence in powers.

you are the only one who is failing with his "zomg but he didnt exert himself hes imba if he did!"

Gameplay as evidence but not gameplay mechanics douche lol.....your so pathetic, youll be trying to say Cloud and the gang can survive supernovas because of Sephiroths Supernova attack next...

Well SHM statement seems to say it was instant....both apprently from the developers...

Originally posted by k1Lla441
r [b]how much you guess, well never know until seph tries, so until then, like ive said a million times, we have to take sephs greatest feats, which arent better than dantes imo. [/B]

lol get used to that a lot, its like trying to put water in a bucket with holes trying to get him to understand something "sigh"

Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]Why wouldnt it have made a diffrence? ofc it would, if I try to block something coming at me with 2 mm square and then do the same with a 10 meter one ime more likely to block the object with the larger defence....Cloud has a huge sword to hide behind, Vergil with ease blocks far more bullets by spinning his sword and hitting every one by a skilled marksman.....

post the actual thread, I only remember mentioning superman in a joke I made in a Comic book VS section, I wouldnt be debating Pyron seriously out of games VS, I couldnt anyway, it would be closed.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=465776

You were looking for comic characters who could rival your imaginary Kain.

Nah we have all evolved, except you "zomg he has billionz of spells from the negative lifestreams!"

err wah? thats the best youve got? its obvious you have no clue about Kratos, Kain could do 101 things with kratos using TK alone, its obvious youve just goofed up...

I laughed to myself as soon as I hit "i use logic" and no thats not logic, his remnants have shown to be able to use magic from it, Sephiroth has not....trying to go further than that is assumption.

Him stopping the saviour with fair ease from punching him into a mushy piece on the ground is far stronger than anything Sephiroth or his remnants have shown.

Where did holy destroy meteor?

lie, you like to lie alot, show me a quote....like when I shut you down in the "Kain cantz TK blood!!" debate.....go on, go and find it and prove that ive been somehow shut down.. Calling you a bad debator is likely what everyone is thinking who debates against you, goofing around with your assumptions, sephiroth love and lack of knowledge on other games just brings people to pity you trying rather than take you seriously.

No you didnt, you gave an example of how it can be used, a persons survivability in a debate is part of its use as well, like regen that helps it along, Regen is nothing to do with durability. No we talk about how much damage their bodies can refelct before being damaged, the fact bullets cannot penetrate Hulk make him more durable than Wolverines skin, which can be penetrated.

definition from dictionary:
regeration is nothing to do with withstanding, its recoving, but not withstanding

WOW, ok use your brain for a second, lets use a body for an example shall we? Now, "withstanding decay" after a long period of time, a body will decay. Lets use Wolverine for an example, who is well over 100 years old, does his flesh decay? No, it "withstands decay", why? BECAUSE OF HIS REGENERATION. (And don't bother saying anything about his ada. bones, his ada. bones have nothing to do about his flesh withstanding decay)

Just give up, you're wrong.

Also how much of an idiot are you? really? i mean you said:

what happened to ZOMG! but regen is durability!! just shows you dont want to seem so pathetic to everyone you debate with like youve already done with me.

It hadnt hit.....

The same way you seem to think he has any of his old spells and abilities, but if your saying he has zero spels and that everything he has shown previously is gone then thats fine by me.

If by smashed you mean simply stated "no coz your a fanboy! then sure, but if you mean smashed by using intelligent logic and evidence then no, not at all thats likely beyond you.

Where does it say they gave it to him because of plot purposes? I mean its quite obvious Cloud>Sephiroth, since weve seen it quite clearly, anyone who wanks about Sephiroth being under PIS we can all say the same about Cloud because he didnt Ominslash at the beginning.

Their not feats "above" the characters, their just diffrent powers, is Sephiroth a durable skyscraper sized being? no...Omega is..see another diffrence in powers.

Omega being big so he wins = complete fallacy.

Omega Weapon is entirely made up of the lifestream, what happens when the lifestream is contaminated with J-cells? Negative Lifestream, Omega Weapon would becomes Sephiroths pet.

you are the only one who is failing with his "zomg but he didnt exert himself hes imba if he did!"

Gameplay as evidence but not gameplay mechanics douche lol.....your so pathetic, youll be trying to say Cloud and the gang can survive supernovas because of Sephiroths Supernova attack next...

So you have no real evidence? K.

Nothing suggests Dante can use DT anytime, whenever, wherever he wants.

Well SHM statement seems to say it was instant....both apprently from the developers...

Originally posted by Terryc250
uhh are you forgetting the fact that moving around a 500 pound sword fast enough to block a bullet isn't easy? Kadaj does it with ease, Zack does it with ease, Cloud does it with ease.

Yeah you obviously weren't joking

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=465776

You were looking for comic characters who could rival your imaginary Kain.

Did I say that? No. Once again you manage to prove your idiocy.

Uhh you do know Kain has the weakest TK in video gaming history right? Kain can't do squat when he TKs someone, all he can do is push and pull people.

Wow are you that stupid? A remnant who has small control over the the NL can use it as magic LOGICALLY the creator, the person who created BOTH the remnant AND the NL, AND has full control over the NL can do it as well. Not only is that logic its common sense even an 6 year old can figure out.

Uhh he basically stopped a fist falling on him, Saviour was basically already KO'd.

In the ending ontop of Midgar?

HAHA its funny how you ride on and on about that misunderstanding. Its hilarious. You've "shut me down" when? Everything you've been trying to pull in this thread has been a complete failure, all you do is knit pick more and more, and look at what you've proven so far.. Absolutely nothing. Lack of knowledge on other games? Dude.. you didn't even know who Heihachi was.

... Who the hell debates "survivability" in Character vs'? People debate DURABILITY, and in DURABILITY, Regeneration is a point, because like i said, a characters durability depends on the amount of damage the character can take before dying, REGENERATION helps that.

"Capable of withstanding wear and tear or decay"

WOW, ok use your brain for a second, lets use a body for an example shall we? Now, "withstanding decay" after a long period of time, a body will decay. Lets use Wolverine for an example, who is well over 100 years old, does his flesh decay? No, it "withstands decay", why? BECAUSE OF HIS REGENERATION. (And don't bother saying anything about his ada. bones, his ada. bones have nothing to do about his flesh withstanding decay)

Just give up, you're wrong.

Ok, we know you're slow BT but please, read above with an open mind. Perhaps read it a few times to try to comprehend it.

Regeneration is part of durability, what i've said is correct. Sephiroth hasn't shown any durability feats, but he can regenerate instantly, which is part of being durable.

... Alright i'll try to baby feed this to your brain as well. If Holy was unleashed lets say, a month before Meteor reached the planet. Now, use your brain and picture Meteor about a mile away from Earth, now picture Holy reaching Meteor before it even enters the atmosphere, it would have disintegrated Meteor long before Meteor reached Midgar.

Huh? What old spells? Do you not understand that Meteor isn't one of his abilities? Meteor is a MATERIA. The only Materia Sephiroth had in the northern crator was the BLACK MATERIA which is Meteor.

Haha do you not realize that YOU'RE the one who has been saying junk like that? But I understand, I guess its just a habit to resort to that kind of crap when you're getting owned.

No, only a biased anti-Sephiroth would say "Cloud>Sephiroth" Sephiroth is superior then Cloud in every way, and could not kill him at all if the PIS-slash didn't exist. PIS is Sephiroth not instantly cutting off Clouds head, or Sephiroth instantly TK'ing him still, or Sephiroth gesturing the NL directly on Cloud right after he smacked Cloud way up on the building.

Evidence that Sephiroth isn't as durable? None? Thought so. How about the fact that Sephiroth can regenerate from just about any form he's put in?

Omega being big so he wins = complete fallacy.

Omega Weapon is entirely made up of the lifestream, what happens when the lifestream is contaminated with J-cells? Negative Lifestream, Omega Weapon would becomes Sephiroths pet.

Use your brain? Or you want me to post the quote from the UOG to shut you down once again?

ROFL "Gameplay as evidence" Stop crying BT, you're making yourself look very foolish.

So you have no real evidence? K.

Nothing suggests Dante can use DT anytime, whenever, wherever he wants.

"Blink of an eye" is basically instant, but its obviously not as instant as the speed of thought.

I dont think the size of the sword considering weight is an issue is it really.....both Vergil and Dante (mostly Dante but Vergil can fight him so its equel between them strengthwise) have shown vastly more strength than Cloud...

ah I see, yes I was serious in there, I thot you were talking about the "battle stories" thread or w/e it was called where I said Kain could defeat Galactus by draining all his cosmic power which was a joke, but my evidence for Kain being able to drain superman of all his power and turn Pyron into a speck is inerestingly enough, similiar evidence to you claiming Sephiroth would have vaster powers of magic than his remnants.

No I was obviously exagerrating, what youve said however is that you belive he has spells from the Negative lifestream more than shown.

Push people, pull people, pull objects, lock them in place etc etc, pretty much the same as Sephiroth only Sephiroths TK was befouled by the gang when they escaped...

Sure Id admit Sephiroth can summon shadow creeps but nothing more like you seem to belive.....and technically Sephiroth hadnt changed the magical power of the lifestream, all Sephiroth did was infect it making him able to move it with his will, nothing proves he has a vaster control of the magic of the lifestream just because his cells are in it.

Saviours weight was behind it...regardless the weight of that hand alone is logically more than that tree Loz pushed over....

Lifestream destroyed meteor, holy made it worse....

so? I dont run around assuming things about the guy either, I dont run around going "zomg Dante cant fly, and can only teleport with DT!!" And answer my full question, find a quote where youve "shut me down"

Pretty much anyone who wants their character to survive, since Sephiroth surviving is unlikely most FF fanboys dont try...lol.."most"

nah durability is actual damage the flesh can withstand before breaking, the regen is not part of durability.

wtf? Wolverines flesh doesnt constantly decay wtf are you tlaking about, idiot lol.....what a terrible analogy..

heres a much better one:

Durability of wolverine: Getting shot and having it bounce off his adamantium bones/skeleton, a lack of durability is when his flesh is ripped away, his regeneration sewing back the damage is simply a backup to his durability failing him and finally his survivability AKA chance of surviving an attack/weapon is increased through Regeneration but his overall durability is not, his skin can still be pierced, thus....the body of Colossus is far far more durable, since it is not damaged by such attacks, yet he may have less survivability totally up overall Regen+durability of Wolverine with Colossus' durability.

funny you never said that to your other opponent lmao....pathetic, admit it, you just dont want to be seen so stupid, youve prob changed your argument with diffrent people several times.

Prove it....prove it would have been destroyed, theres no reason why it wouldnt have destroyed it over midguard, its not like Meteor has gained durability since arriving....

what old spells? fine, then Sephiroth has zero magic attacks, since he has shown zilch magic attacks since becoming Sephiroth again, I was under the impression you thought Sephiroth still had some magical abilities.

yet you failed to provide a quote of you "owning" me.....I owned you many times, last post I provided a quote of how pathetic you are by seemingly changing your story with diffrent people you debate with because you likely realise how weak your argument is.

oh I see, well Sephiroth would have been completly defeated if the "PIS forming masurmane out of lifestream didnt excist!!" or if the "PIS Negative lifestream didnt excist!!", yeh lets call everything sephiroth does thats the nearest bit impressive PIS.....nah, I think its easier, more factual AND more logical to accept Cloud could have used Omnislash before Sephiroth did anytihng at all and destroyed him from the get go....

Since when do I have to provide evidence for my opponents characters, since when do people on the debating boards at all provide evidence for a negative? your slipping badly....very badly....

What happens when Sephiroth is stepped on by Omega and squashed into a mushy dribble of cells then has his Negative lifestream absorbed.....he would then have nothing..

You couldnt shut a computer down...

Sure, I think even you said it once that if we didnt include anything from gameplay such as abilities and shown moves etc etc then half of the characters in gaming would have very few abilities....its only gameplay mechanics that are not usuable.

All evidence suggests it because nothing goes against it....what logic from your minor knowledge on DMC makes you think Dante has a limit of simply transforming into his devil half rather than his human form?

not "as" instant.....your either insant or your not....and the speed of thought is not instant.... for example:

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/23027

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont think the size of the sword considering weight is an issue is it really.....both Vergil and Dante (mostly Dante but Vergil can fight him so its equel between them strengthwise) have shown vastly more strength than Cloud...

ah I see, yes I was serious in there, I thot you were talking about the "battle stories" thread or w/e it was called where I said Kain could defeat Galactus by draining all his cosmic power which was a joke, but my evidence for Kain being able to drain superman of all his power and turn Pyron into a speck is inerestingly enough, similiar evidence to you claiming Sephiroth would have vaster powers of magic than his remnants.

No I was obviously exagerrating, what youve said however is that you belive he has spells from the Negative lifestream more than shown.

Push people, pull people, pull objects, lock them in place etc etc, pretty much the same as Sephiroth only Sephiroths TK was befouled by the gang when they escaped...

Sure Id admit Sephiroth can summon shadow creeps but nothing more like you seem to belive.....and technically Sephiroth hadnt changed the magical power of the lifestream, all Sephiroth did was infect it making him able to move it with his will, nothing proves he has a vaster control of the magic of the lifestream just because his cells are in it.

Saviours weight was behind it...regardless the weight of that hand alone is logically more than that tree Loz pushed over....

Lifestream destroyed meteor, holy made it worse....

so? I dont run around assuming things about the guy either, I dont run around going "zomg Dante cant fly, and can only teleport with DT!!" And answer my full question, find a quote where youve "shut me down"

This entire thread has been just me correcting you, you do realize this right?

Pretty much anyone who wants their character to survive, since Sephiroth surviving is unlikely most FF fanboys dont try...lol.."most"

nah durability is actual damage the flesh can withstand before breaking, the regen is not part of durability.

wtf? Wolverines flesh doesnt constantly decay wtf are you tlaking about, idiot lol.....what a terrible analogy..

heres a much better one:

Durability of wolverine: Getting shot and having it bounce off his adamantium bones/skeleton, a lack of durability is when his flesh is ripped away, his regeneration sewing back the damage is simply a backup to his durability failing him and finally his survivability AKA chance of surviving an attack/weapon is increased through Regeneration but his overall durability is not, his skin can still be pierced, thus....the body of Colossus is far far more durable, since it is not damaged by such attacks, yet he may have less survivability totally up overall Regen+durability of Wolverine with Colossus' durability.

Don't try to change the definition-

"Capable of withstanding wear and tear or decay"

Do you know what AGING is? It's slowly DECAYING.

Why does Wolverine not age? Because of his regeneration.

Hence, Regeration helps a person Durability, right there in the proper definition.

funny you never said that to your other opponent lmao....pathetic, admit it, you just dont want to be seen so stupid, youve prob changed your argument with diffrent people several times.

Prove it....prove it would have been destroyed, theres no reason why it wouldnt have destroyed it over midguard, its not like Meteor has gained durability since arriving....

what old spells? fine, then Sephiroth has zero magic attacks, since he has shown zilch magic attacks since becoming Sephiroth again, I was under the impression you thought Sephiroth still had some magical abilities.

yet you failed to provide a quote of you "owning" me.....I owned you many times, last post I provided a quote of how pathetic you are by seemingly changing your story with diffrent people you debate with because you likely realise how weak your argument is.

Show me one quote, and show me another of it changing, go ahead.

oh I see, well Sephiroth would have been completly defeated if the "PIS forming masurmane out of lifestream didnt excist!!" or if the "PIS Negative lifestream didnt excist!!", yeh lets call everything sephiroth does thats the nearest bit impressive PIS.....nah, I think its easier, more factual AND more logical to accept Cloud could have used Omnislash before Sephiroth did anytihng at all and destroyed him from the get go....

Too bad it was even stated in the UOG that Cloud really didnt stand a chance.

Since when do I have to provide evidence for my opponents characters, since when do people on the debating boards at all provide evidence for a negative? your slipping badly....very badly....

Slipping how? I gave evidence that Sephiroth can regenerate, you've given absolutely nothing at all as usual.

What happens when Sephiroth is stepped on by Omega and squashed into a mushy dribble of cells then has his Negative lifestream absorbed.....he would then have nothing..

His Negative Lifstream absorbed? LOL That's like trying to absorbed a non-curable virus, smart guy. How is the Negtative Lifestream created in the first place? By being contaminated with J-cells. BT way of thinking: Omega Weapon who is pure lifestream will just absorb the J-cells!!! dur

Rofl

Sure, I think even you said it once that if we didnt include anything from gameplay such as abilities and shown moves etc etc then half of the characters in gaming would have very few abilities....its only gameplay mechanics that are not usuable.

All evidence suggests it because nothing goes against it....what logic from your minor knowledge on DMC makes you think Dante has a limit of simply transforming into his devil half rather than his human form?

not "as" instant.....your either insant or your not....and the speed of thought is not instant.... for example:

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/23027 [/B]

That link you posted was more of the speed of comprehending, how long it took for the guy to figure out what the picture is of which he is unfamiliar with, if it was somethig he is familiar with say for an example, you picturing Kain's face in your head, it would be faster.

Originally posted by Terryc250
No, it wouldn't have been a good fight, because Sephiroth while he wasn't exerting himself, or using any powers SHOWED that he could've killed Cloud already. Remember the scene where Cloud was helpless against the wall? Sephiroth could've stabbed him anywhere, in the head for example, but chose not to, he stabbed him in the shoulder to let him live longer so he can taunt him more. So Sephiroth toying around and not using any of his powers is already above Cloud. While the 3 remnants are BELOW Cloud. So logically theyre less then a 25% of Sephiroth.

Sephroth greatest feats are ABOVE Dante's. Can Dante stop a planet wrecking power? No. Sephiroth controls the NL, with a gesture he could kill Dante right there.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Dante CANNOT fly, nor is he faster then Sephiroth, with a THOUGHT (Dante is not faster then Sephiroth thought) Dante would be frozen stiff. Dante cannot teleport unless he has enough DT and transforms, by the time he does that Sephiroth would have already TK'd him and summoned the NL.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroth basically did beat Cloud, did you even watch the fight? While he toyed around, Cloud was outmatched and couldn't do anything, Sephiroth could have killed him right then and there but let him live. Then PIS Omnislashed kicked in, and the fight was over. Sephiroth was owning Cloud the entire fight and could've killed him if he chose to. And this is Sephiroth not even exerting himself, or even using a single one of his powers.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Alright lets compare CC Sephiroth (Sephiroths weakest form) who showed some feats similar to Dante, Dante clashed swords with Vergil, the power output sphere made the rain bounce right off it, then lets compare it to CC Sephiroth clashing swords with Genesis, what happened? THe power output sphere cratored the iron ground below them. Or how about when CC Sephiroth struck a barrier, the power output from hitting the barrier left a huge crator in the concrete ground below him. Or how about we look at Loz who is a fraction of Sephiroths power effortlessly lift a motorcycle about 2-3x heavier then the one Dante lifted up.

2. Dante didnt just "lift" up a motorcycle, he was flining it back in forth in midair while killing a bunch of enemies with it, effortlessly.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Uhh, Chaos Vincent can basically hit the planet, and send ripples and quake the entire planet, move faaar faster then Dante that when he fights he's invisible. Omega could easily lay waste to an entire planet in a short amount of time. Minerva is the conciousness of the planets lifestream itself. These character along with AC Sephiroth are planet threatening and could wreck a planet.

Originally posted by Terryc250
It's obviously not real time, the scene where it shows Loz kicking the bench already shows it basically already arriving at Tifa, then it shows it in Tifa's point of view. Loz moved from the end of the church to Tifa in the amount of time the bench broke against her fist, which is about a second or less.

Originally posted by Terryc250
And Sephiroth can turn small bodyparts into his full form.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Did you not read the description I gave you? It freezes the opponent, once he is frozen, he cannot move anywhere, and he cuts through his spirit a bunch of times.

Originally posted by Terryc250
What does meteor have to do with anything? Holy travels continents in seconds, and is capable of wrecking the entire planet. Is Dante? No. Did Sephiroth stop Holy with his TK? Yes. Would he stop Dante as well? Yes. It doesn't matter what kind of tricks Dante has, it its not faster then Sephiroth speed of thought it will be useless because Dante would be frozen stiff already.

[Wait Dante can speedblitz Seph but he can't speedblitz Kratos?]

Dante was also strong enough to hold swords with a Demon-Lord[Abagail]. Who was big[if not bigger]as the Collosus Statue in God of War II and he simply defeated him just by DT-ing. So there is no telling how strong Dante is so Seph fanboys CANNOT say Seph is stronger than Dante. Because we rarely see him use his strength. [And there is no telling how strong he could be while he is in DT also]

If Dante has Yamato he probably could slow time and Judgment Cut Seph. Or just dimention cut into Hell and throw Seph inside[which would be unlikely to happen because Seph wouldn't allow Dante to grab him]

Dante has also thrown Berial[Lord of Fire Hell]around like it was nonething

http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Berial_the_Conqueror_of_the_Fire_Hell

Originally posted by k1Lla441
All that feat was power. It shows no skill, speed, durability, etc. If god gave me the power to stop a planet, that doesnt mean ill be able to kill dante, now does it? No.

Yes he can. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RF0wM1o0PI
Dantes speed is somewhere near the speed of a thought, maybe quite not as fast. But him with quick silver MOST DEFINITELY is faster than a thought. Youd be lucky to even get off a blink if dante speedblitzed you with quick silver.

It went from "seph won the fight" to "seph basically won the fight". See how it changes? Ill definitely give you that seph wasnt trying during the fight, which is why he lost. But dont try to say he wasnt trying and he won the fight, because that didnt happen.

1. Seph from CC is now where near dantes level. that feat is comparable to dantes weakest feats when he was his youngest.

2. Dante didnt just "lift" up a motorcycle, he was flining it back in forth in midair while killing a bunch of enemies with it, effortlessly.

All These "feats" from these guys are just them destroying planets and what not. What are they supposed to do in a real fight? destroy the planet with both of them on it? What im trying to say is that there are other aspects of fighting than just raw power. There is speed, durability, endurance, stamina, technique, etc, which dante happens to be pretty much excellent in all those categories, not just one.

Take out the "or less" part and your coming close to the actual time.

Can he do this on his own will when ever he wants? and what if someone cuts off his head? or rips out his heart? or complete chops him up into hundreds of pieces? If yes, i would like you to prove it.

No, you didnt answer my question. Subzero can freeze people, but does that mean he could freeze dante? No. Just because it "freezes" somebody doesnt mean it happens in an instant, so i will i ask my question again. Does it automatically lock on to an oponent no matter how fast or quick, and if your answer is yes prove it.

at 5:45, keep in mind that its slow-motion.
YouTube video

The point, like i said many times previously, is that there are different categories than the ones youve just pointed out. Holy may have been fast, but is he quick? And like i said before, what is supposed to do in a fight with dante? blow up the planet that there both supposed to be on? no. Dante is excellent in all categories. [/B]

Technially he can do DT anytime he wants. Because he did in DMC2[and besides that scene he did other times]. And he flew in DMC3.[Check Leviathan Scene]

And why can't he go DT anytime? Rebellion unlocked it.

YouTube video @6:56

Originally posted by Terryc250
.. Even so, if the sword is smaller, and they have that insane strength, they can wield the light sword and maneuver it around basically like its thin air, whereas a 500 pound sword they cannot and proably cannot match the speed of a bullet with it. But anyway, the big sword was Clouds weapon, Zack who is the inferior version of Cloud easily deflected bullets with a smaller sword as well, same with Kadaj who is less skilled then Cloud, a big sword just happened to be Clouds weapon.

Um no, because I have obvious Logic. It's like saying what has more solar energy, the sun itself, or a car that borrows the suns solar energy? Common sense and logic tells you the sun does. If the Silver Haired Men, who were Sephiroth creations, used some of Sephiroths Negative Lifestream as a source of magic, obviously Sephiroth who is the creator of the NL, and even created the 3 from the NL, cando it as well.

Spells from the NL? You mean use the NL as a source of magic? Yes, because he can.

Umm, did you forget Sephiroth held Holy, and at the same time did everything in FF7, at the same time fought all 8 characters?

No, the SHM who have little control over the NL can summon shadow creeps, they can use a small portion of the NL as a magic source. Sephiroth has the entire NL at his disposal. The properties of the Lifestream are the same, infected with the NL just has Sephiroth influence. Why do you think he was able to create the 3 men? The lifestream is a source of life, as well as magic.

Saviours hand is NOT heavier then the tree rofl. Saviours hand would probably be a couple tons.

Lifestream aided Holy in the destruction of Meteor. Holy destroying Meteor was too close to Midgar which was causing a lot of damage, Lifestream came in, pushed Meteor out, to aid Holy in destroying meteor.

So show me Dante flying? You can't? Exactly. Show me Dante teleporting? You can't? Exactly. He can only do these things with DT, and Dante cannot go DT anytime, anywhere, as he pleases.

This entire thread has been just me correcting you, you do realize this right?

They debate DURABILITY, like I said, try to read this time. When people debate Durability, they debate how much damage the character can take before dying. Being able to regenerate will help a character be more durable, because he can take more damage.

In the end there's NO DIFFERENCE, when we talk about Dante's durability, we say its good why? Not because he has hard flesh, but because he has regenerating, he can be stabbed, but he'll survive why? Because of his REGENERATION. Hence why i said Sephiroth also has regeneration.

Don't try to change the definition-

"Capable of withstanding wear and tear or decay"

Do you know what AGING is? It's slowly DECAYING.

Why does Wolverine not age? Because of his regeneration.

Hence, Regeration helps a person Durability, right there in the proper definition.

Huh? Wtf are you talking about? I've said over and over, you even quoted me on that, AC Sephiroth hasn't really what his durability is, because he was on screen for 10 minutes, so his durability is unkknown, But he has Regeneration, that's a fact.

Wtf? What quote of me changing my story???? LOL. Show me PLEASE?

Show me one quote, and show me another of it changing, go ahead

Use your brain dude, when it was over Midgar it was destroyed in how long? Like 2 minutes? You think if it had about a month worth of time, it wouldn't beable to destroy it? Keep in mind that a month has 43,200 minutes.

He has all of his Jenova abilities, Sephiroth doesn't need materia for magic, as he has been in the lifestream for many years and gained knowledge, all the magic he used in his last fight were infact his magic abilities, the barrier he created was his magic, supernova, etc are his magic.

K cool, now Cloud is a top tier character, if he fights Dante, he'll just Omnislash him from the get go, if he fights Kratos, he'll just Omnislash him from the get go, if he fights Chaos Vincent, he'll just Omnislash him from the get go.

Too bad it was even stated in the UOG that Cloud really didnt stand a chance.

Then don't make statements if you have no evidence, or anything at all to even suggest that, because you're obviously just speaking out of bias.

Slipping how? I gave evidence that Sephiroth can regenerate, you've given absolutely nothing at all as usual.

Besides the fact that Sephiroth isn't just going to stand there and let hmself get stepped on, he can regenerate his form. Throughout FF7, he was turning small bodyparts of Jenova into Full Sephiroth forms, as long as he's still alive, he can do that.

His Negative Lifstream absorbed? LOL That's like trying to absorbed a non-curable virus, smart guy. How is the Negtative Lifestream created in the first place? By being contaminated with J-cells. BT way of thinking: Omega Weapon who is pure lifestream will just absorb the J-cells!!! dur

Rofl

Its still not half of an impressive feat as Vergil VS Dante.....

And I have a huge amount of obvious logic, infact mines not even requiring the logic behind it, its simply deduction and maths, infnite magic power+regulation of magic+powers over energy= he can do what he likes with energy for Kain....simple logic and deduction. And sure, perhaps Sephiroth can summon shadowcreeps, ime not debating against that...

Show me proof saying that he can use any spell? I mean he can prob summon shadow creeps, ill "assume" that since logically he could but nothing else...

Holding holy is not much of a feat, the things got no power unless its hitting something and TK isnt something you can really hit, yet youve failed to show me him actually grabbing holy from the air...

Sephiroth has the ability to move and control the Negative lifestream, that doesnt mean in any way, shape or form that he has a vaster control of its magic.... and how he made the 3 men is unknown, so far youve shown me no evidence and simply claimed it happened, how it happened youve not shown me.

You dont think a huge stone hand backed up by the force of a body made of stone equelly is heavier than a big stick of lumber that doesnt push back? lol.....riiiggghtt, and Sephiroth could throw Omega wepaon across the FF universe as well!! or ofc Final fantasy trees are heavier than normal trees!

The characters themselves say Holy wasnt helping, then lfiestream comes up and pwnz meteor.....characters of the game>you

k1Lla441 just showed you...also show me what logic you have for saying Dante cannot do it whenever he wants, infact show me the evidence for him only being able to teleport in DT...

lmao....you correcting anyone is laughable, you dodging by question is more likely....

nah youve completly lost the plot here, all of what you said is a lie, they debate durabiltiy by how much the skin can take, durability is withstanding damage, regen is reforming flesh alreay damaged. And when do we say Dantes durability is good? he gets stabbed many times, his survivability is enormous since his regen is insane.

regen is not withstanding wear, tear or decay.....its reforming lost body tissue that has already succumb to wear, tear or decay, lol your such a fool

lol....its not anything to do with durability....

But what happened with your "regen is part of durability" so surely his regen is durability according to you? (which its not)

Originally posted by Terryc250
He has regeneration, which is a form of durability.

Originally posted by Terryc250
He hasn't shown any durability, but its been stated he can regenerate, he formed his new body instantly once he was revived.

so what happened to zomg but Regen is Durability!! exactley, you changed because you know your being foolish.

Your not taking into consideration though Holy would take much longer to reach meteor if Meteor was also further away...

lmao so you actually belive Sephiroth can somehow cast a supernova ability? "sigh" I would of thot after all this time sephiroths cock would have tasted bitter and apprently just because hes in the lifestream he has gained spells from it without requirng materia, does anything state that he has gained a ton of spells from the lifestream? Also as you said earlier, the body of sephiroth is diffrent now...

nah because Omnislash is fairly short ranged, Dante has a multiude of powers, and actually no, Sephiroth has shown he can be destroyed by it....nobody else has..and its also featless, so no, your argument drops dead immedialtey..like most of them..

Too bad its already shown in AC that Cloud crushes Sephiroth, its all just PIS as well, Cloud as I said could have done OMnislash from the beginning....

lmao.....and you wont even admit to your enormous fallacy, ok from now on you have to provide all the evidence AND counter evidence for all my points.... 🙄 low class debator..

Hes prob not got much a choice in the matter, and Omega weapon ime sure has more than physical powers....although its interesting to note, in this case sephiroths Negative lifestrea can apprently overcome Omega weapon....this shows how your A>B>C logic doesnt work because neg lifestream is simply a special power that Sephiroth can use on said character which other characters dont have, like a plot device. Thus Sephiroth beating Omega weapon doesnt mean just because Dante may not beat it, doesnt mean Sephiroth could beat Dante, its illogical.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Things in gameplay stand for something, like HP stands for their health, If in gameplay an attack takes up a giant amount of HP, means that outside of gameplay that attack does huge damage. You cannot just ignore everything, and claim Dante can go DT anytime anywhere whenever he wants, when things suggests he cannot. If Dante could go DT anytime he wanted to, then he obviously would've in alot of the cinematic fights.

The fact that he simply cannot, why else do you think he rarely ever goes DT? Can you give me a reason? Show me some evidence he can go DT whenever, wherever, anytime he wants on a whim. The fact that he he has fights where hes going all out, and doesn't go DT suggests that he could not.

Uhh, instant means a very short amount of time. THe blink of an eye is instant, but not as fast as the speed of thought.

That link you posted was more of the speed of comprehending, how long it took for the guy to figure out what the picture is of which he is unfamiliar with, if it was somethig he is familiar with say for an example, you picturing Kain's face in your head, it would be faster.

No powers and abilities attributes are canon and usable from gameplay, an attack dealing 200 billion hp damage doesnt mean shit in a real battle....since unfortunatley for you, a hp bar doesnt appear above peoples heads in the real world and no coz Dante has purple stars to replenish his DT whenever he wants that he can buy with red orbz!! gameplay limitations, although I agree Dante may have a limit on how long he can stay in his strongest forms, I doubt he checks his little DT bar....and for all intents and purposes Dante would have full DT gauge in even a gameplay fight on KMC anyway so saying he couldnt do DT would be stupid.

He does go DT in the last Vergil fight, both of them do...altho Dante never goes DT in almost all of his cinematics, its just not the developers design interests.

False, an instant is immediate...its not really a time period, thought is slower than an instant...

1) Guys, do I need to remember you again, about the fight with Bizarro Sephiroth, where he keeps regenerating everytime you destroy a portion of his body? Do I need to remember you that Sephiroth is the son, and the evolution, of Jenova, a being well known for its regeneration ability?
Please guys, stop saying he can't regenerate. You are just making yourselves look like a bunch of fools.

2) It's amazing how much patience BT and Terry have with each-other. Seriously.

I never said he doesnt have Regen...altho ime not really interested in the regen side of the debate