Dante (DMC 4) Vs Sephiroth (Advent Children)

Originally posted by Burning thought
false, several people in this thread have agreed with me...so thats goes your fanwank and as I said, its illogiacal, your talking about endurance/survivability....just because his body can regenrate back doesnt mean he can actually take the wound, Wolverines adamantium skeleton is what I would call durable, because its hard to damage if not impossible by normal means, thats durability.

no it doesnt....your the one simply saying its Sephiroth and ime saying otherwise and that its a hologram, that doesnt make me look any less intelligent and you of all people should not be talking of a lack of intellect.

You cant debate against it so you say I made it up? Hyperbole is real and furthermore its shown that thats the most likely form of that statement considering the logicless nonsense behind it.

No one in FF7 is more powerful then Sephiroth.
Sephiroth is the strongest in the world
No one is above Sephiroth.

So does that mean Sephiroth is the most powerful character in FF7? Duh.

That video where Chaos and WEiss are battling, Chaos looks miles faster than Sephiroth has ever been, what game was it?

You dont seem to know what Hyperbole is, its not something that needs evidence, it requires logic, which I have, your side of the argument that the statement is infalliable fact is lacking due to the fact many beings are seeminly leeps and bounds beyond sephiroth in FF

jeezus your such a baffoon lol, Sephiroth has zero feats of him at full power and exerting himself, and since when do i use strength or speed to give Kain a win? very rarely indeed.....your using your rubbish of how hes not exerting himself to give him a win? and then you assume? what rubbish indeed

His power that were aiding him over a very long 3 year period...

Dante can only teleport with DT? wtf.....who told you that, this is untrue, he uses Trickster to teleport....hold him frozen? yeh until Dante teleports out of it, time slows and slices Sephiroths @ss into pieces.

nobody is talking about doing Omnislash on Kadaj, ime talking about when he transforms into Sephiroth, theres a huge amount of time before Cloud is stuck to the wall, he should have just done Omnislash then and there and wiped the floor with girly man, unfortunaltey, PIS steps in....

You dont "need" to, thats the thing why its impressive, if youve seen it, Vergils sword is a really thin blade, similiar to the masurmane in how thin it is and not as long, Vergil spins it and can block every bullet Dante fires, now combine that with the fact ebony and ivory can fire pretty rapidly AND as Ki1 has shown you, with high accuracy, thats far more impressive.

The only people who "used" to facepalm were those who didnt even join the debate.....all of this statement is a lie, prove it or your just yapping BS, and ive got a profile exactley the same, funny how i started doing it and then you copied, ah well nvm lol.....the best thing is....you were pwned so many times wheras half the things in your profile about me were either ancient history or you misunderstanding something because of lack of intelligence....especially where you thought i meant Kratos AS the god of war when i said GOW Kratos when GOW Kratos means the Kratos in the first God of war...but youve not played any other game other than FF so you wouldnt know...

Sephiroths powers? you mean his slow meteor spell? he has no real powers, all he could have done is probably called the Negative lifestream which would still be too slow if Cloud was not under any PIS and omnislashed right away.... [/B]

I don't understand why you always mention meteor. Meteor is different from other spells because once its casted it takes time for the meteor to reach the planet. Also the fact that Sephiroth doesn't even have the balck materia anymore, nor would he even use it on 1 opponent. He used it to wreck the planet. Negative lifestream is real slow? It covered Midgar like instantly. And if Sephiroth wasn't under any PIS he would've TK'd Cloud and used the NL directly on him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
oh I see, now its Omega we need evidence? yet when its coming down for evidence for sephiroth its "he hasnt shown his limitz!" ill leave that to TGE, its his point that I was using.

Its not a fallacy, its how games vs works, if he hasnt the feat then he hasnt the strength or the speed, power etc, otherwise anyone could say the same about any characters...very few characters can be said to have gone to their very limits.

willpower? none of the other characters ive seen even have TK so thats not exactley a fair statement...nor a gaugable one. Ofc it has something to do with it, and yes, Sephiroth would be still stated more powerful, most powerful doesnt mean undefeatable, power is diffrent from speed, strength etc. [/B]

If a character can defeated Sephiroth then Sephiroth wouldn't be the strongest in the world. (creators have stated Sephiroth is the strongest in the world)

If a character can defeated Sephiroth, then the creators would have made a character more powerful then Sephiroth. (creators have stated they could not make a character more powerful then Sephiroth in the world of FF7)

Originally posted by Terryc250
... Are you really that slow? They're all connected, when it comes down to it, DURABILITY is how much damage a person can take before the person dies. Regeneration HELPS a person take more damage, that is why it helps a person durability. Wolverines skeleton helps his durability as does his regeneration, Deadpools has insane durability he can take bullets like nothing, why? Because of his insane regeneration. When it comes down to it Regeneration helps a person durability, just use your brain for a second.

Ok, so i'll just go and say every character is a hologram that i don't like. Kain has been fighting holograms throughout the entire series, Dante blocked a hologram of Saviour. Saying that crap DOES make you look unintelligent. When obviously Zack fought Sephiroth and not a hologram rofl.

Because you DID make it up HAHA. Where is your evidence? You have none? Exactly. He was stated THREE times in THREE different wordings.

No one in FF7 is more powerful then Sephiroth.
Sephiroth is the strongest in the world
No one is above Sephiroth.

So does that mean Sephiroth is the most powerful character in FF7? Duh.

Doesn't mean Chaos is faster, Chaos had an entire game playing as him, it showed all his powers and him exerting himself to the max. Chaos could not travel that distance the way Sephiroth did in AC.

I do know what hyperbole is. And yes it does require evidence, for example, if they had the Human Torch struggle to melt a steel building, then there was a statement saying Human Torch is as hot as the sun, that could be viewed as hyperbole because evidence has shown that he had struggle to melt a steel building. However, you're baselessly claiming, that every single statement of Sephiroth is hyperbole without any evidence, because we have never seen close to Sephiroths full powers.

And you're like 8 years old. You try to debate Kain and his imaginary spells which he has ZERO FEATS of doing ROFL.

Huh? He wasn't alive from FF7 to AC.. 3 years? Dude, FF7 to AC was 2 YEARS. He was dead. I really don't know what you are talking about.

Trickster doesn't teleport him, its quick dashing in gameplay, you can look at any article on trickster style.

Yeah and Sephiroth could've killed him right in the beginning when he first transformed into himself. "Girly man" haha how old are you? 8?

Dante fired like a few bullets, thats it, and Vergil deflected them.. so? It's not something that FF7 characters are unable to do. If you look at their battle their physical movement speed wasn't impressive at all, and the fact that Dante was going all out in it as well.

Actually no, I was the one who commented first on how i should post every hilarious thing you've been saying in my profile, then you went ahead and did it, but sorry but mine is ALOT more funnier then yours, because your dumb comments have been so hilarious.

I don't understand why you always mention meteor. Meteor is different from other spells because once its casted it takes time for the meteor to reach the planet. Also the fact that Sephiroth doesn't even have the balck materia anymore, nor would he even use it on 1 opponent. He used it to wreck the planet. Negative lifestream is real slow? It covered Midgar like instantly. And if Sephiroth wasn't under any PIS he would've TK'd Cloud and used the NL directly on him.

no you are....but as i said, continue your delusions and go and find out that survivability is what your talking about, endurance, not durability.

nah coz not every character is a transluscent blue scheme going on that makes them look like a hologram.

Hyperbole...or because of meteor

according to the Sephiroth lover who belies we should assume just because Sephiroth hasnt exerted himself...

evidence has shown that Sephiroth is not capable of being beyond these FF7 top tiers such as Omega, because the lack of evidence for his power and the lack of logic is evidence in itself he is not capable.

Most of Kains spells are unique so I wouldnt need a feat of him overpowering anyone with them, their usually a case of whether the being hes using it on has resistance or not, simple....unlike you who has to "assume!!" and ime like an 8 year old? thats the best you can do? you must be really tired, your even more pathetic than usual..

I dont have to look at an article, ive got the game, trickster is where any teleportation comes from, Dante doesnt need some DT gauge to allow him to teleport, not to mention your talking about gameplay anyway...

not if Cloud did omnislash, Omnislash trumps anything Sephiroth could have done and its instant as youve blabbered on about as well...Sephiroth without Clouds PIS would be creamed...yet another obvious fact that Sephiroth is not the most powerful in FF. 8? youve tried that again lol....in the same post..you must be really tired...

When your playing Vergil spins his blade and if you continually shoot vergil stops all the bullets, regardless, its far faster than anyone in FF, being able to move your sword to tackle bullets fired by a gunslinger as skilled as Dante would take bullet speed refelxes AND movement (to move the sword and your arms)

A lot funnier? not really, the only amusing one in the slightest is the first one, other than that, you going into a hissy fit to try and undermine me about Kain tking blood, then me posting a Video all about it was far more "ownage" style and full of lulz....or you desperatly trying to list Sephiroths feats, coming up with a tiny list one of which being "threatening the planet"....lol

Tked cloud? how is he gonna do that when Cloud has done Omnislash which is instant? lol....fanboy of Sephiroth 🙄

Originally posted by Terryc250
No, because someone stated Omega can do it faster then Sephiroth wihtout any evidence.

Most characters have been seen to struggle, or try against something. Sephiroth hasn't even went close to that, and it was even stated directly that he hasn't.

If a character can defeat Sephiroth then a character would be above him. (creators have said no one is above him)

If a character can defeated Sephiroth then Sephiroth wouldn't be the strongest in the world. (creators have stated Sephiroth is the strongest in the world)

If a character can defeated Sephiroth, then the creators would have made a character more powerful then Sephiroth. (creators have stated they could not make a character more powerful then Sephiroth in the world of FF7)

kinda like Sephiroth not having any evidence yet we have to "assume"

oh well thats fine then, lets all assume!

No thats not true, above in what? see the statement is massively unspecific, it could mean above in many diffrent ways, it could mean Sephiroth is above them mentally, or maybe his willpower is above them.

No, strongest is another "most powerful" statement again, its not very literal and can mean many diffrent things.

Ive already discussed "power" and the diffrence it has with being undefeatable.

Originally posted by Terryc250
No, we can take his abilities, his feats from his remnants who are just a fraction of his powers, etc.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Saviour isn't really that fast

Originally posted by Terryc250
Of course he would, he stopped Holy which was powerful enough to wreck the planet and travel continents in literally seconds. No he would either crush Dante, or just hold him there immovable while he uses the Negative Lifestream to disintegrate him, or simply cut off his head.

Originally posted by Terryc250
No, i'm simply saying his strength is atleast what he showed because it was stated that he didn't exert himself, so that is fact. So its foolish to assume that that is his limit of strength when even his remnants who are just a fraction of his power showed more then that. But thats only for the strength/speed part. His abilities that i've stated are all fact, and he has done them.

Originally posted by Terryc250
No, he only did that against Cloud so the plot could continue and Cloud would still be alive, it was basically the only thing the creators could do so that Cloud would end up winning in the end. Sephiroth only treats Cloud as a bug. If we're debating Sephiroth at full power, then Sephiroth toying with Cloud shouldn't even be mentioned.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Basis of what? That Loz is faster then Dante? Loz was just something Sephiroth created.

Originally posted by Terryc250
2:20, Tifa didn't even have time to change her face expression
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Originally posted by Terryc250
He hasn't had a single, but its been stated he can regenerate. He formed his body a split second.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Omnislash is a PIS move which isn't even physical, its basically there to kill whoever it lands on. Unless Dante can protect Omnislash from slicing through his spirit a bunch of times, he would be defeated by Omnislash.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Feats as in he was able to stop even Holy in its tracks, or take over the lifestream. You're forgetting that Sephiroth holds the NL, which is the source of magic,life,power,energy on the planet. The lifestream was able to disintegrate meteor, Sephiroth Neg Lifestream would be enough to tear Dante to bits, with a gesture he instantly covered Midgar which is a huuge city that can clearly be seen from outer space. There are characters in FF7 who are far faster then Dante and more powerful enough to quake the entire planet in a single hit, but they cannot defeat Sephiroth, so how would Dante.

Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]no you are....but as i said, continue your delusions and go and find out that survivability is what your talking about, endurance, not durability.

Durability is how much a thing can take, how much damage, or wear something can take, in the end Regeneration HELPS this. It's not the same definition but Regeneration helps a characters durability because the character heals. For example Perfect Cell can be considered just as Durable as SSJ2 Goku, because of his regeneration. Take away that and SSJ2 Goku who is more powerful would be more durable.

So no, I don't have "delusions" i'm stating facts, unlike you.

nah coz not every character is a transluscent blue scheme going on that makes them look like a hologram.

Hyperbole...or because of meteor

according to the Sephiroth lover who belies we should assume just because Sephiroth hasnt exerted himself...

Nomura and Kitase created Chaos Vincent, Cloud, Omega WEAPON, Minerva, Sephiroth. And he says Sephiroth is the most powerful. Should I believe you who is a biased hater, or should I believe Nomura/Kitase?

evidence has shown that Sephiroth is not capable of being beyond these FF7 top tiers such as Omega, because the lack of evidence for his power and the lack of logic is evidence in itself he is not capable.

Most of Kains spells are unique so I wouldnt need a feat of him overpowering anyone with them, their usually a case of whether the being hes using it on has resistance or not, simple....unlike you who has to "assume!!" and ime like an 8 year old? thats the best you can do? you must be really tired, your even more pathetic than usual..

Where have I assumed anything? Where? Exactly, I have never assumed anything.

You act like an 8 year old, you're like getting mad because you're making yourself look foolish and thats why you're trying to insult me with each post.

I dont have to look at an article, ive got the game, trickster is where any teleportation comes from, Dante doesnt need some DT gauge to allow him to teleport, not to mention your talking about gameplay anyway...

not if Cloud did omnislash, Omnislash trumps anything Sephiroth could have done and its instant as youve blabbered on about as well...Sephiroth without Clouds PIS would be creamed...yet another obvious fact that Sephiroth is not the most powerful in FF. 8? youve tried that again lol....in the same post..you must be really tired...

When your playing Vergil spins his blade and if you continually shoot vergil stops all the bullets, regardless, its far faster than anyone in FF, being able to move your sword to tackle bullets fired by a gunslinger as skilled as Dante would take bullet speed refelxes AND movement (to move the sword and your arms)

A lot funnier? not really, the only amusing one in the slightest is the first one, other than that, you going into a hissy fit to try and undermine me about Kain tking blood, then me posting a Video all about it was far more "ownage" style and full of lulz....or you desperatly trying to list Sephiroths feats, coming up with a tiny list one of which being "threatening the planet"....lol

Duh because i was talking about TK'ing CELLS apart, like you were talking about disinfusing people with Jenova cells. Not TK'ing blood rofl. I didn't mean that, but you actually meant the posts i have in my profile ROFL. Thats what makes it funny.

Tked cloud? how is he gonna do that when Cloud has done Omnislash which is instant? lol....fanboy of Sephiroth 🙄

kinda like Sephiroth not having any evidence yet we have to "assume"

oh well thats fine then, lets all assume!

No thats not true, above in what? see the statement is massively unspecific, it could mean above in many diffrent ways, it could mean Sephiroth is above them mentally, or maybe his willpower is above them.

No, strongest is another "most powerful" statement again, its not very literal and can mean many diffrent things.

Ive already discussed "power" and the diffrence it has with being undefeatable.

You're really trying hard to knit pick here aren't you?

Originally posted by k1Lla441
Thats just the thing, we dont know how much of a fraction, so until we know if its as litte as 4/5 or as big as 1/8 of his remnants powers, so right now, we would have to take his greatest feats, which ive said a million times arent that good.

If we're going by percentages each one of them wouldn't even have 25% of Sephiroths power.

Avoiding the point, can he hit dante due to his speed. If in need, dante can slow down time and make himself as if multiple times his regular speed, which is way more than enough to run up and decapitate seph. Does sephs tk haven an instant lock on effect that can hit you now matter how fast?

Same as my answer above, you dont know how more powerful or how much faster seph is than his remnants, so its foolish to assume anything. So what do you suppose we do to get seph his power level? we pretty much have like 3 options: 1) do the right thing, and take what hes shown so far, 2) assume his power level is, lets just guess and say 10 times more powerful than any of his remnants, or 3) keep going in circles and saying that seph has never shown his full power liek weve been doing. The only logical thing to do is to take his best feats and use those, and thats ashame because we all know thats not sephs true power, but too bad.

That would be like trying to tell the future, as in we dont know what sephs full power is since he never shows it. We cant debate seph at full power, but we can debate seph when he was his strongest, which is indeed seph in ac, which is the seph we are debating with right now.

The fact that you tried to say that loz was faster than dante, from which you have only gave me one speed feat. You make all these statments about how all these people are faster and/or can kill dante on a basis of not telling anything about the character. If you would like to prove to me that seph or loz is has greater feats or is more powerful than dante please, do so with proof.

It didnt show him for about 1 1/2 seconds when he threw it at her, which just like you said, he could have started moving then making it not so great of a feat.

I dont think seph has shown any durability feat in ac or in any of his games that is better than dantes feats, period.

Does it automatically lock on to fast moving targets? if not, then im pretty sure dante can get around it.

Because the people that fought seph were not as fast as dante, and if this nl is so strong then howcome he doesnt just use it on anyone he has fought ever? [/B]

Originally posted by Terryc250
Endurance is how much a character goes through without getting tired, "Survivability" is usually described for a location if it is "survivable" for example, the survivability of Mars is unlikely for humans for this time.

Durability is how much a thing can take, how much damage, or wear something can take, in the end Regeneration HELPS this. It's not the same definition but Regeneration helps a characters durability because the character heals. For example Perfect Cell can be considered just as Durable as SSJ2 Goku, because of his regeneration. Take away that and SSJ2 Goku who is more powerful would be more durable.

So no, I don't have "delusions" i'm stating facts, unlike you.

It's gameplay? The fact remains that Sephiroth is no hologram, so I don't understand what you're complaining about.

What does Meteor have to do with anything? They said Sephiroth is the strongest character, most powerful character, and no one is above him. They said that about Sephiroth. Keep trying BT.

No, according to the creators of every character in FF7.

Nomura and Kitase created Chaos Vincent, Cloud, Omega WEAPON, Minerva, Sephiroth. And he says Sephiroth is the most powerful. Should I believe you who is a biased hater, or should I believe Nomura/Kitase?

Where's this evidence? Please show me, I'm begging you please show me this evidence of Sephiroth not being capable.

What does "unique" have to do with anything? If you're going about Feats = everything, then you're contradicting yourself, and you should find a new favourite character.

Where have I assumed anything? Where? Exactly, I have never assumed anything.

You act like an 8 year old, you're like getting mad because you're making yourself look foolish and thats why you're trying to insult me with each post.

Trickster isn't teleportation, its fast dashing, as alot of the times you can clearly see his SHADOW moving. Dante needs, show me evidence Dante can use DT anytime he wants on a whim?

No, Sephiroth could've TK'd him right from the beginning of the battle and Cloud would've been helpless. No Cloud would've been creamed without Sephiroth PIS genius. Once Cloud pulls out his sword and does Omnislash its insant, if Sephiroth wanted, he couldve just teleported somewhere and TK'd him, or TK'd him right from the get go. Stop failing BT.

Thats gameplay, you can't use that as a feat. "Vergil stopped 9999 of my bullets!" No FF7 characters dodge/deflect bullets like nothing as well, Dante having better aim wouldn't make much of a difference because wherever it aims at its deflected.

Dude... you tried to say Kain would drain Superman of his Solar energy and compound Pyron into a spec 😐

Duh because i was talking about TK'ing CELLS apart, like you were talking about disinfusing people with Jenova cells. Not TK'ing blood rofl. I didn't mean that, but you actually meant the posts i have in my profile ROFL. Thats what makes it funny.

Because Cloud needs to get near Sephiroth? Sephiroths TK works in an instant as well, Clouds works in the blink of an eye. Sephiroths speed of thought is faster.

Who assumed what?

Once again, where did i assume anything?

Means no character is ABOVE Sephiroth, meaning he is the supreme character in FF7. No it said his existence, nothing is above him.

It means he is the most superior character, stronger basically means superior.

If another character could beat Sephiroth, then they would be "above" him, or stronger then him.

You're really trying hard to knit pick here aren't you?

lol yo dont have a clue how to use words, now your talking about Stamina which is how long you can last without tireing, Endurnce is like survivability and durability is how much base damage you can take before your physically damaged, i.e Tank armour is durable on the American M1Abrams tank but the British Challenger 2 has superior durability with its own armour which can take more hits, it has nothing to do with regen.

Meteor is a devastating albiet slow attack, but its far more powerful than any of the other beings singel attacks, which would make him more powerful, thus, the statement is correct, but the statement doesnt make Sephiroth unbeatable by other FF characters, as Cloud has shown.

You should belive logic and not hyperbole, considering you lack any form of logic whatsoever its obvious you will constantly go with the later, or more likely, youll go with the later because its more beneficial to Sephiroth.

The evidence of him not being capable is the fact you cannot (as the burdon of proof to show Sephiroths power is on you) show any proof, furthermore, Sephiroth has never done anything to warrant him defeating Omega, or Chaos.

Unique has a lot to do with everything, strength is not a unique aspect of a character, thus, if you want to compare strength with another, you need feats, Kains spells are unique to him, the opposing beings are unlikely to have those spells and often theres not a spell like it in their universe, thus a feat is uncessery, especially since the spells are logically outlined to 100% of their ability and what they can do, wheras with Sephiroth your constantly suggesting assumption and have zero logic.

As I said, thats the best insult you can come up with? just randomly saying "your acting like an 8 year old coz its insulting!" I doubt an 8 year old would even visit these forums and even they would likely ravvage you in a debate.

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its just supprising how little you know about other games (or not rly....) Dante can go DT when he pleases....

Ime failing yet you belive an instant attack is going to be stopped by Sephiroths willpowerz! when you have said already that the attack is instant, your the only one who is failing with your desperate love of Sephiroth. Cloud without PIS would just omnislash before sephiroth finishes to say "hello Cloud"

Its an ability, just like most abilities in gaming, its not gameplay at all nor is it a gameplay mechanic, its something he does and its sometihng hes shown to be able to do, block bullets at incredible speed....FF characters have not shown to do that, show me...

oh I see, so everything I say on these forums is serious? idiot....

look the quote itself is in my profile so you dont need to tell me what you said do you....what you said to the last word is in my profile, and it pretty much obvious that you were making a scene about Kain tking blood cells...you said nothing in the qutoe about tearing them apart..

Cloud starts of near to sephiroth as Sephiroth comes in, instant>thought speed

So your saying were not going to assume anything? ok then, end of debate, Sephiroth has no feats, so we cant assume etc etc.....so concede?

his excistence? then he is on a higher plane of excistence then, makes a little more sense now, that doesnt mean he can defeat anyone more than feats have shown.

He may well be a superior character, that doesnt mean he would win 10/10 especially not when using logic and feats which is what counts most in VS.

Your really trying hard to turn a quote into more than what it is as well....its more likely just a piece of Hyperbole but regardless, nothing in the statement actually says Sephiroth could beat every other character...

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol yo dont have a clue how to use words, now your talking about Stamina which is how long you can last without tireing, Endurnce is like survivability and durability is how much base damage you can take before your physically damaged, i.e Tank armour is durable on the American M1Abrams tank but the British Challenger 2 has superior durability with its own armour which can take more hits, it has nothing to do with regen.

Meteor is a devastating albiet slow attack, but its far more powerful than any of the other beings singel attacks, which would make him more powerful, thus, the statement is correct, but the statement doesnt make Sephiroth unbeatable by other FF characters, as Cloud has shown.

You should belive logic and not hyperbole, considering you lack any form of logic whatsoever its obvious you will constantly go with the later, or more likely, youll go with the later because its more beneficial to Sephiroth.

The evidence of him not being capable is the fact you cannot (as the burdon of proof to show Sephiroths power is on you) show any proof, furthermore, Sephiroth has never done anything to warrant him defeating Omega, or Chaos.

Unique has a lot to do with everything, strength is not a unique aspect of a character, thus, if you want to compare strength with another, you need feats, Kains spells are unique to him, the opposing beings are unlikely to have those spells and often theres not a spell like it in their universe, thus a feat is uncessery, especially since the spells are logically outlined to 100% of their ability and what they can do, wheras with Sephiroth your constantly suggesting assumption and have zero logic.

As I said, thats the best insult you can come up with? just randomly saying "your acting like an 8 year old coz its insulting!" I doubt an 8 year old would even visit these forums and even they would likely ravvage you in a debate.

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its just supprising how little you know about other games (or not rly....) Dante can go DT when he pleases....

Ime failing yet you belive an instant attack is going to be stopped by Sephiroths willpowerz! when you have said already that the attack is instant, your the only one who is failing with your desperate love of Sephiroth. Cloud without PIS would just omnislash before sephiroth finishes to say "hello Cloud"

Its an ability, just like most abilities in gaming, its not gameplay at all nor is it a gameplay mechanic, its something he does and its sometihng hes shown to be able to do, block bullets at incredible speed....FF characters have not shown to do that, show me...

Cloud effortlessly deflects Yazoo's bullets ontop of a motorcycle while fighting Loz again
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You've seen Zack effortlessly dodge bullets as well, and those characters aren't even the top 5 in FF7, there are much faster and skilled characters.

oh I see, so everything I say on these forums is serious? idiot....

look the quote itself is in my profile so you dont need to tell me what you said do you....what you said to the last word is in my profile, and it pretty much obvious that you were making a scene about Kain tking blood cells...you said nothing in the qutoe about tearing them apart..

Cloud starts of near to sephiroth as Sephiroth comes in, instant>thought speed

So your saying were not going to assume anything? ok then, end of debate, Sephiroth has no feats, so we cant assume etc etc.....so concede?

his excistence? then he is on a higher plane of excistence then, makes a little more sense now, that doesnt mean he can defeat anyone more than feats have shown.

something that exists; entity; being

Existence is a synonym for "being/entity" there is no being/entity above Sephiroth. Feats isn't everything, and by feats he is the most powerful character. Can anyone in FF7 stop Holy? No. Does he have the power over NL? Yes.

He may well be a superior character, that doesnt mean he would win 10/10 especially not when using logic and feats which is what counts most in VS.

Sephiroth who we don't know the limits of, has already been established and stated to be the supreme character of FF7. You cannot argue facts, once the creators state that, then its fact.

Your really trying hard to turn a quote into more than what it is as well....its more likely just a piece of Hyperbole but regardless, nothing in the statement actually says Sephiroth could beat every other character... [/B]

Its already been stated that he's the supreme being in FF7, that no one is above him, no one is more powerful, and that he is the strongest in FF7.

haha your knit-picking is just getting shutdown over and over BT, why don't you try to push your idea of "SEPHIROTH IS JUST A HOLOGRAMMM!!" ? Did you give up already?

Originally posted by Terryc250
Wow.. Endurance is a synonym of Stamina genius. Anyone with Regeneration can OBVIOUSLY take more damage then a person without, hence why they are more DURABLE. If a #1 Tank was able to regerate the damage it took, and #2 was unable to, then Tank #1 could be considered to be more Durable, as it can RESIST WEAR and LAST LONGER then tank #2. At the end of the day REGENERATION helps a persons durability, anyone with a brain can figure that out.

Uhh Holy? Materia has absolutely nothing to do with the statement saying Sephiroth is the strongest character, and there is no being above Sephiroth, and that they couldn't make a character more powerful then Sephiroth. The statements were about the CHARACTER, and the statements even came after FF7, when Sephiroth doesn't even HAVE the black materia rofl.

Where's your logic? Your logic is "I hate Sephiroth so ill try as hard as i can to downplay him" that's you logic right there. You have absolutely no evidence that even ONE of the three statements hyperbole let alone all of them.

Uhh how about take power over the NL? Hold holy? Do you have amnesia or something? We've never seen the limits of Sephiroths power so OBVIOUSLY its possible it can be much above Omega/Chaos' power. Feats isn't everything, if a characters full power is unknown but the creators state its above so and so, then we'll believe the creators because he is the one who create each and every one of the characters, he knows best, not you.

What does unique have anything to do with him not having any feats of doing it? Basically all of those spells were simply gameplay and weren't even plot related anyway. I've never assumed anything about Sephiroth, you always say that i don't know why. Where did i assume?

Haha its funny because your the one getting "ravvaged" here, lok at you trying so hard to knit pick everything about Sephiroth but constantly getting shut down, keep trying though BT, it's hilarious.

In the video he has enough DT which he doesnt always have, duh. It also drains it quickly when he uses it

No i never said the attack is instant genius, I said it happens in a blink of an eye, SEPHIROTHs TK works on a thought which is instant. Sephiroth could've TK'd Cloud right as Kadaj took inthe cells and before Cloud even landed.

Holy failed against Meteor...infact the team say that it only made it worse...what do you mean he doesnt have it? he gains it in FF7, where does it go?

Ive already given the logic of how Omega wepaon, Chaos, Weiss have obvious shown advantages, if you choose to ignore it then it shows how pathetic a debator you are.

But they didnt say he was above a character, he simply said he was nobody was above Sephiroth...not to mention as ive stated before, its Hyperbole. Weve alreayd seen someone above him,Cloud who in all honesty is a pathetic specimen compared to Chaos/Omega weapon.

Because in a debate its feat vs feat, you dont have to do the spell if its shown, given logic and purpose, the fact is, your saying Sephiroth is above them without logic or feats, you following a statement that could easily be hyperbole or misread. And you assume he has all the magic of the Neg lifestream, you assume that just because his remnants can kock down trees he is going to be far superior.

revagged? so far your only argument is "no its not, your wrong...." thats not an argument, its a statement, so technically ime the only one who has arguments so far.

DT drains? you love using gameplay dont you....yeh ill do the same coz Dante can use a purple star any time he wants and regain all his DT!!

Originally posted by SHM
2) Omnislash Version 5 isn't "being cut/stabbed with swords". It's an attack happening at insane speed(the creators said it happened in an instant)

SHM seems to think it is, and apprently so do the creators, what is it you say now...the creators know more about it than you do!

Originally posted by Terryc250

Cloud dodges/deflects bullets while fighting Loz at the same time through that video, and Kadaj dodges/deflects Vincents bullets
YouTube video

Cloud effortlessly deflects Yazoo's bullets ontop of a motorcycle while fighting Loz again
YouTube video

You've seen Zack effortlessly dodge bullets as well, and those characters aren't even the top 5 in FF7, there are much faster and skilled characters.

Shut up, you obviously meant all the hilarious crap you've said. You've even admitted you meant what you said about LT before rofl.

So then why don't you post the ENTIRE context? Obviously what i meant was about the Kain being able to disinfuse Jenova cells, so i wanted to show me Kain TK'ing cells in that way. Its funny how you ride so hard on a misunderstanding which i didn't even mean. The funny thing is you actually meant all the hilarious crap in my profile.

No thought > blink of an eye. Sephiroth freezes him, then kills him.

What feat did i assume? Go on, say it. What feat did I assume? Nothing? Ok. All the Sephiroth feats are FACT.

Huh? That makes no sense at all. The definition of existence is

something that exists; entity; being

Existence is a synonym for "being/entity" there is no being/entity above Sephiroth. Feats isn't everything, and by feats he is the most powerful character. Can anyone in FF7 stop Holy? No. Does he have the power over NL? Yes.

What counts even more then feats is the fact that the creators themselves said that Character A is stronger, more powerful and is above Character B.

Sephiroth who we don't know the limits of, has already been established and stated to be the supreme character of FF7. You cannot argue facts, once the creators state that, then its fact.

Evidence that its Hyperbole? None? Thats what i thought.

Its already been stated that he's the supreme being in FF7, that no one is above him, no one is more powerful, and that he is the strongest in FF7.

haha your knit-picking is just getting shutdown over and over BT, why don't you try to push your idea of "SEPHIROTH IS JUST A HOLOGRAMMM!!" ? Did you give up already?

He blocks over his body with his enormous sword against an opponent who is fireing one or two shots every so often.....pathetic feat compared to spinning a thin sword hitting bullets that are coming faster and in more numerous form.

LT? we were talking about my random joke of draining Superman of energy and making Pyron a speck...altho the LT thing was like 3 years ago, since then most people on tis forum have realised certain feats dont excist, like it was found Pyron is not the size of the Andromeda galaxy for example and V2D was wrong on that like I was wrong about LT long before even that....thing is, weve evolved in debating, your exactley the same as always, simply not giving any real argument and fan wanking sephiroth to the max...

WHat you meant is stated quite clearly in my profile...

I meant it when I said GOW Kratos, who has very few abilities in his first game could be Tked by Kain...thats not ourageous at all, its obvous you simply added any random crap in there...

You assume he can use magic from the lifestream just because it has cells in it.....you also continually bring up how your trying to pathetically shrug off Sephiroth as more than he is just because he shows little strength or speed feats in comparison to Dante or otherwise.

Apart from those not under the effects of Hyperbole.

Minerva controls lifestream>Meteor>Holy>Sephiroth

They never mentioned any other character other than Sephiroth dude...now your slippng in your own crap

unless its hyperbole

already done many times...

you simply wining "no your wrong!!" is not shutting anything down, even when many people are against your little Terries final wankstasy of Sephiroth you still cannot pull out anything other than "zomg but hes not shown his real power"

Originally posted by Burning thought
Minerva controls lifestream>Meteor>Holy>Sephiroth

Zack beat Minerva, can you believe it, Zack, and he lost to the weak Sephiroth, Sephiroth cuts Minerva in half.

Minerva was beaten by Zack? and I thot she was the FF goddesslike being, I think Terry said she was powerful at some point, if shes beaten by Zack then it seems he was lieing unless ofc your mistaken...can you show me your evidence?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Minerva was beaten by Zack? and I thot she was the FF goddesslike being, I think Terry said she was powerful at some point, if shes beaten by Zack then it seems he was lieing unless ofc your mistaken...can you show me your evidence?

Zack beats her in a side mission, not in a real cutscene though. Minerva is supposed to be the hardest boss in the game CC, 10,000,000hp. She does thousands, and thousands of damage per attack. You have to play CC to see Minerva fall down to Zack, but here is a video on Minerva from CC: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY3B-HmNvEg

a side mission? so its not canon then?

Originally posted by Burning thought
a side mission? so its not canon then?

Well you see her in the mainstory, you just don't fight her in the mainstory, watch the video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY3B-HmNvEg

yeh as I said, its not canon so him defeating her in a gameplay secret mission means little....and thats the same vid you posted before...

Originally posted by Burning thought
yeh as I said, its not canon so him defeating her in a gameplay secret mission means little....and thats the same vid you posted before...

Yeah, but you still see her fall down in defeat. www.youtube.com/watch?v=saaFgUfykew

As Terry said, Sephiroth is the strongest FF7 character, as the producer has said, but Minerva is the toughest character to beat via gameplay, not overall.

The only way to kill Dante[stated by Capcom]is by ripping out his heart with a Devil Arm[Underworld weapon] or wear down his regeneration.

Seph might be able to wear his regeneration down.

Okay you Sephiroth supporters need to get his cock out of your mouths.

Sephiroth CANNOT regenerate, and definately not the extent you all think he can.

He has never regenerated from cells, why in the fvck do you think Kadaj drank them?

Because Kadaj, not only logically, not only visually, but it was STATED that he was meant to become Sephiroth.

Sephiroth does not have this cellular regen like you think he does.

Kadaj drank the box of cells and transformed on-screen, and it was stated by Vincent that Kadaj would become Sephiroth.

And he did.

STFU and GTFO with that shit.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Okay you Sephiroth supporters need to get his cock out of your mouths.

Sephiroth CANNOT regenerate, and definately not the extent you all think he can.

He has never regenerated from cells, why in the fvck do you think Kadaj drank them?

Because Kadaj, not only logically, not only visually, but it was STATED that he was meant to become Sephiroth.

Sephiroth does not have this cellular regen like you think he does.

Kadaj drank the box of cells and transformed on-screen, and it was stated by Vincent that Kadaj would become Sephiroth.

And he did.

STFU and GTFO with that shit.

"Due to its amazing regeneration capabilities, Jenova's divided cells reunite to become one again."\

And should we ignore this statement from the RF?

"One of the properties Jenova possesses is that separated pieces of flesh, called cells, will regenerate back to their original form"

Now lets look at this logically, throughout FF7 game (while Sephiroth is ALIVE), Sephiroth used pieces of Jenova, each piece would fully transform into Sephiroth, Sephiroth being the new Jenova. Does the mass of the arm, or the mass of the leg equal up to Sephiroth? No. So how does he transform? Easily, he uses part of Jenovas ability stated from above, REGENERATION. He regenerates his original arms, legs, ever appearance, even his sword, from a piece of Jenova leg or arm.

Now in AC, Sephiroth is dead, he cannot do anything with the Jenova cells, which is his power. What he can do is guide his spirit body (stated by the UOG that the trio were Spirit bodies) to take in Jenova's cells, in that box. That would revive Sephiroth. So once Kadaj took in the cells, what happens? The same thing he has been doing in FF7, he fully regenerates his arm, legs, his entire being, even his sword. It wouldn't have made a difference if Kadaj was a midget, a 50 lb kid, or a dog the size of an arm, or anything, as long as the Jenova cells were there, he would regenerate his full form.