Originally posted by SHM
1)Do I need to remember you that Sephiroth is the son, and the evolution, of Jenova, a being well known for its regeneration ability?
Need I remind you Dante is the son, and the evolution of the most powerful Demon-God Sparda? Who has even surpassed the power of Sparda himself? And Dante who regenerates as soon as the wounds are made? Even when Yamato cut thru his arm?[thru bone and flesh] 😆 Sorry but I just felt like doing that lol.
Originally posted by Terryc250
If you had the power to stop a planet destroying power frozen still in TK, then obviously if that cannot escape it, Dante cannot either. Holy could wreck a planet, and is capable of travelling across CONTINENTS in SECONDS, Sephiroth stopped it with his TK, obviously Sephiroth can stop Dante with his TK as well.
Originally posted by Terryc250
He can only fly with DT, and Dante cannot go DT whenever he wants. Dante speed is no where at the speed of thought, not from any evidence you've shown, one thought and Dante would be frozen stiff and wouldn't beable to do a thing.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Where did I write "seph won the fight"? Where? Sephiroth basically did win the fight, because he could've killed Cloud whenever he wanted. Fact is, Sephiroth wasn't trying at all, and could've killed Cloud without any effort. So the fight against Cloud has no relevence to this thread at all.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Dante when he fought Vergil and did the sword clash was FAR weaker then CC Sephiroth sword clashing against Genesis. Keep in mind that AC Sephiroth is many many folds more powerful then CC Sephiroth.
Originally posted by Terryc250Dmc 3 dante (which is him at his youngest and is much weaker than dmc 4 dante) tossed around a motorcycle, might have weighed less than the one that loz tossed, but dante did it many times back and forth, while in midair. Here it is if you need more proof:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GEzYjvKFwQ he flings it around many times, killing multiple enemies and after that shows no signs at all of being tired and just walks away.
He swung it around, but that motorcycles isn't even half the weight of the motorcycle Loz effortlessly tossed while doing a handstand with one arm, also the fact that Loz is just a fraction of Sephiroths power.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Uhh Chaos is faster then Dante, and if he blitzed the ground, Dante would turn into a puddle. Dante couldn't even get passed Omega's barrier. Edurance/stamina wouldn't matter at all against a character who is much more superior then him. Its like saying would a bugs stamina, technique, endurance matter if the bug fought a human? No. It's not a boxing match, Dante would be killed right in the beginning of the fight.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Do you not understand that its not real-time? It shows Loz kicking it from his point of view, rewinds, shows it in tifa's point of view. If you focus on Loz' point of view you can see he stood stationary the entire time when the bench basically already reached Tifa.
Originally posted by Terryc250
It's Jenova/Sephiroths ability to regenerate and into whatever he wants, in the game Sephiroth transforms Jenova bodyparts into his Sephiroth form, in FF7 AC, Sephiroths body is the Jenova cells in the box, when Kadaj takes it in and revives Sephiroth he instantly transforms into Sephiroth.
at 8:35, Sephiroth/Jenova flies off, and leaves a piece of Jenova, that piece of Jenova instantly transforms into a giant Jenova monster.
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Originally posted by Terryc250
Thats a big difference, Sub Zero shoots a projectile and ice freezes his opponent, Cloud just pulls out his sword and his opponent is frozen in mid air, so yes it automatically on.
Originally posted by Terryc250
at 5:45, keep in mind that its slow-motion.
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Originally posted by Terryc250
Huh? Holy is a power. "Quick" is a synonym of "Fast" so I don't know what you're trying to say. The point is, if a power that is many folds more powerful and many folds faster then Dante cannot escape Sephiroth TK, what makes you think Dante can? And no his "enurance" and "durability" won't help him escape Sephiroths TK, nor would it help him survive the NL.
Originally posted by Gumachi
DMC4 is his strongest[DMC3, DMC1, DMC2, DMC4 order of the games]. [DMC2 2nd strongest, DMC1 3rd strongest, and you know which is the 4th]
Sorry, you f*cked up the chronolgy a bit. The correct order is DMC3, DMC1, DMC4 and DMC2 (DMC2 with DDT\Majin form\Super SParda being technically strongest and DMC4- close second or even 1st as it's Dante on his peak but not fallen into depression yet).
Probably DMC3 (1st Vergil fight) though I'll have to rewatch the cutscenes. As for me, that is better showing- being smashed into concrete (quite a few bones MUST have been broken) and OK in a couple of seconds.
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Wolverine fanboys drool all over quite similiar feat (but Dante doesn't have added bonus of adamantium sceleton).
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Sorry, you f*cked up the chronolgy a bit. The correct order is DMC3, DMC1, DMC4 and DMC2 (DMC2 with DDT\Majin form\Super SParda being technically strongest and DMC4- close second or even 1st as it's Dante on his peak but not fallen into depression yet).
Capcom said it was DMC3, DMC1, DMC2, DMC4[atleast from what I "heard" someone "said" Capcom said it if. Because I could have been right from the beggining[DMC3, DMC1, DMC4, DMC2].
Originally posted by Gumachi
Capcom said it was DMC3, DMC1, DMC2, DMC4[atleast from what I "heard" someone "said" Capcom said it if. Because I could have been right from the beggining[DMC3, DMC1, DMC4, DMC2].
Nope, it was never like that:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/devilmaycry4/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-42022775&pid=928376
The sourse of rumour.
Correct order is:
DMC3 manga
DMC3
DMC1+Dreamwave comics series on it
anime
DMC4
DMC2 (it was pushed to be the last canonical game about Dante by Capcom due to its utter failure, and every game released AFTER DMC4 takes part in between of DMC4 and DMC2)
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Nope, it was never like that:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/devilmaycry4/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-42022775&pid=928376The sourse of rumour.
Correct order is:
DMC3 manga
DMC3
DMC1+Dreamwave comics series on it
anime
DMC4
DMC2 (it was pushed to be the last canonical game about Dante by Capcom due to its utter failure, and every game released AFTER DMC4 takes part in between of DMC4 and DMC2)
Yeah I was right from the start thanks.
Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]Its still not half of an impressive feat as Vergil VS Dante.....
And I have a huge amount of obvious logic, infact mines not even requiring the logic behind it, its simply deduction and maths, infnite magic power+regulation of magic+powers over energy= he can do what he likes with energy for Kain....simple logic and deduction. And sure, perhaps Sephiroth can summon shadowcreeps, ime not debating against that...
No the SHM who have limited power over the NL, are able to use enough magic source to summon shadow creeps. Sephiroth can use it on a higher scale, to the point where he can actually create life, and cover a portion of the planet with it.
Show me proof saying that he can use any spell? I mean he can prob summon shadow creeps, ill "assume" that since logically he could but nothing else...
Holding holy is not much of a feat, the things got no power unless its hitting something and TK isnt something you can really hit, yet youve failed to show me him actually grabbing holy from the air...
Sephiroth has the ability to move and control the Negative lifestream, that doesnt mean in any way, shape or form that he has a vaster control of its magic.... and how he made the 3 men is unknown, so far youve shown me no evidence and simply claimed it happened, how it happened youve not shown me.
You dont think a huge stone hand backed up by the force of a body made of stone equelly is heavier than a big stick of lumber that doesnt push back? lol.....riiiggghtt, and Sephiroth could throw Omega wepaon across the FF universe as well!! or ofc Final fantasy trees are heavier than normal trees!
What are you blabbering about? Stop acting like a little kid please, thanks.
The characters themselves say Holy wasnt helping, then lfiestream comes up and pwnz meteor.....characters of the game>you
Now i'll give you the real dialogue from the ending-
-as Holy is destroying Meteor
"It's too late for Holy"
"Holy is having the opposite effect"
"Forget Midgar"
Now this is where you use have to think a little bit, i know its hard for you, but try:
Remember how i said Meteor already basically was at the surface of the planet? Which is why "its too late for Holy" why is it too late? Because Holy is destructive, by it trying to destroy Meteor its wrecking Midgar at the same time. Then in the ending the lifestream comes up below BOTH of it and helps disintegrate Meteor, thus saving Midgar from destruction.
So in conclusion, The only way Holy can destroy Meteor is if it had enough time, which it did not have. By it destroying meteor it was destroying Midgar below it as well, this would not be the case if Holy was released way earlier and there was no Midgar below them.
k1Lla441 just showed you...also show me what logic you have for saying Dante cannot do it whenever he wants, infact show me the evidence for him only being able to teleport in DT...
lmao....you correcting anyone is laughable, you dodging by question is more likely....nah youve completly lost the plot here, all of what you said is a lie, they debate durabiltiy by how much the skin can take, durability is withstanding damage, regen is reforming flesh alreay damaged. And when do we say Dantes durability is good? he gets stabbed many times, his survivability is enormous since his regen is insane.
regen is not withstanding wear, tear or decay.....its reforming lost body tissue that has already succumb to wear, tear or decay, lol your such a fool
Heres another one,
"Withstanding wear"
Shoe#1 regenerates
Shoe#2 does not regenerate
Which shoe will get weared out faster?
Answer: Shoe#2
Hence, Shoe#1 is more durable.
Here's another example,
"Withstanding Decay"
DeadRat#1 has a body that regenerates even though its dead
DeadRat#2 has a body that does not regenerate
Which Rat would fully decay faster? Deadrate#2
Hence, the body of DeadRate#1 is more durable.
But what happened with your "regen is part of durability" so surely his regen is durability according to you? (which its not)so what happened to zomg but Regen is Durability!! exactley, you changed because you know your being foolish.
Your not taking into consideration though Holy would take much longer to reach meteor if Meteor was also further away...
lmao so you actually belive Sephiroth can somehow cast a supernova ability? "sigh" I would of thot after all this time sephiroths cock would have tasted bitter and apprently just because hes in the lifestream he has gained spells from it without requirng materia, does anything state that he has gained a ton of spells from the lifestream? Also as you said earlier, the body of sephiroth is diffrent now...
nah because Omnislash is fairly short ranged, Dante has a multiude of powers, and actually no, Sephiroth has shown he can be destroyed by it....nobody else has..and its also featless, so no, your argument drops dead immedialtey..like most of them..
Too bad its already shown in AC that Cloud crushes Sephiroth, its all just PIS as well, Cloud as I said could have done OMnislash from the beginning....
lmao.....and you wont even admit to your enormous fallacy, ok from now on you have to provide all the evidence AND counter evidence for all my points.... 🙄 low class debator..
Hes prob not got much a choice in the matter, and Omega weapon ime sure has more than physical powers....although its interesting to note, in this case sephiroths Negative lifestrea can apprently overcome Omega weapon....this shows how your A>B>C logic doesnt work because neg lifestream is simply a special power that Sephiroth can use on said character which other characters dont have, like a plot device. Thus Sephiroth beating Omega weapon doesnt mean just because Dante may not beat it, doesnt mean Sephiroth could beat Dante, its illogical. [/B]
Originally posted by Burning thought
]No powers and abilities attributes are canon and usable from gameplay, an attack dealing 200 billion hp damage doesnt mean shit in a real battle....since unfortunatley for you, a hp bar doesnt appear above peoples heads in the real world and no coz Dante has purple stars to replenish his DT whenever he wants that he can buy with red orbz!! gameplay limitations, although I agree Dante may have a limit on how long he can stay in his strongest forms, I doubt he checks his little DT bar....and for all intents and purposes Dante would have full DT gauge in even a gameplay fight on KMC anyway so saying he couldnt do DT would be stupid.
He does go DT in the last Vergil fight, both of them do...altho Dante never goes DT in almost all of his cinematics, its just not the developers design interests.
False, an instant is immediate...its not really a time period, thought is slower than an instant... [/B]
Proper Definitions-
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Originally posted by Terryc250
He stopped like 5 bullets by swinging around his sword? Its hardly anymore impressive then Kadaj deflecting and dodging many bullets, or Zack dodging like thousands of bullets.Huh? Where is it stated that Kain has infinite magic powers? If he can regulate magic, why didn't he just take away every single beings magic except for his own?.
No the SHM who have limited power over the NL, are able to use enough magic source to summon shadow creeps. Sephiroth can use it on a higher scale, to the point where he can actually create life, and cover a portion of the planet with it.
Where did i say he can use any spell? Where? Once again you're wrong, i didn't say that. I said Sephiroth can use the NL as a source of magic, fact. Higher scale then the 3.
How the hell does it have no power unless its hitting something? Thats something YOU made up. Once again you're trying to downplay Sephiroth and his feats. Its stated in the plot, Aeris summoned Holy before she died, Holy gets stopped by Sephiroths will.
No he has the ability to ACCESS its powers, why do you ignore feats? Use your brain, don't you have one? He has a vaster control of its power, do you think the 3 can create life? No, do you think the 3 can even move it around? No. Sephiroth did not have the power to create life in FF7, it wasn't until he created the Negative Lifestream that the 3 appeared in AC, it was stated in the UOG he manifested them, and when Aeris Great Gospel rain at the end of the movie destroyed the negative lifestream, the 3 dissappeared in the same way the NL did.
Uhh, its the weight of a hand, the body did NOT fall ontop of Dante. The tree was taller then a building.
What are you blabbering about? Stop acting like a little kid please, thanks.
Did you fail to use your brain again? Try reading it again and try to comprehend it this time.
Now i'll give you the real dialogue from the ending-
-as Holy is destroying Meteor
"It's too late for Holy"
"Holy is having the opposite effect"
"Forget Midgar"Now this is where you use have to think a little bit, i know its hard for you, but try:
Remember how i said Meteor already basically was at the surface of the planet? Which is why "its too late for Holy" why is it too late? Because Holy is destructive, by it trying to destroy Meteor its wrecking Midgar at the same time. Then in the ending the lifestream comes up below BOTH of it and helps disintegrate Meteor, thus saving Midgar from destruction.
So in conclusion, The only way Holy can destroy Meteor is if it had enough time, which it did not have. By it destroying meteor it was destroying Midgar below it as well, this would not be the case if Holy was released way earlier and there was no Midgar below them.
He transformed when he was in a pinch? That doesn't say he can do it all the time, so why can't he do it in fights where he wants to win? Show me a video of him transforming to fight someone.
No people debate durability as how much DAMAGE they can withstand before dying. Wtf, EVERYONE debate Dante's durability, in jsut about EVERY thread, even this one.
Regneration HELPS withstand wear and decay, i just gave you a f*ckin perfect example rofl.
Heres another one,
"Withstanding wear"Shoe#1 regenerates
Shoe#2 does not regenerateWhich shoe will get weared out faster?
Answer: Shoe#2
Hence, Shoe#1 is more durable.Here's another example,
"Withstanding Decay"DeadRat#1 has a body that regenerates even though its dead
DeadRat#2 has a body that does not regenerateWhich Rat would fully decay faster? Deadrate#2
Hence, the body of DeadRate#1 is more durable.Are you dumb? I never said Regeneration is exactly Durability, but its a FORM of it, regeneration could help a persons durability "withstand wear, and decay" ?
Uhh, you're forgetting Holy travelled from the northern crator to Midgar is SECONDS, Midgar is like on the other side of the planet from the Northern Crator.
Obviously Supernova is one of Sephiroths abilities, why else would they give it to him if he doesn't have it? He has Supernova in just about every game he's in, just like Heartless Angel. And I don't know why you're talking about the taste of Sephiroth cock, its quite disturbing, whatever gets you off, I don't want to hear about. Sephiroth never physically wandered the lifestream, only mentally, which is where he gained the knowledge of the lifestream, his body in FF7 never touched the lifestream, it was restored in the northern crator, yet when it was fully restored he obtained the powers, that body never touched the lifestream, Sephiroth always had the ability of magic due to him being Jenova.
Sephiroth also has a multitude of powers, and long range. Dante has never took a non-physical spiritual PIS attack like Omnislash before, he has shown absolutely nothing to even suggest he can survive it, Sephiroth has regeneration on the level if not greater then Dante.
Its already stated in the UOG that Sephiroth could've killed Cloud, and already stated by the creators that Sephiroth is above Cloud. Cloud could not of Omnislashed Sephiroth before Sephiroth trapped him still and destroyed him.
Enormous fallacy? Its funny how you cannot be specific with anything at all, I swear you just have a notepad of random things to throw out in a debate "Y0uR ENOMOUZ FALLAZY!!" "Y0U A LoW CL4SS DEBAT0R!!11"
His sword was moving at least bullet speed in a whirlwind motion catching each bullet as it came at him...Dante did a less impressive feat yet more impressive than clouds by slicing them down as vergil sent them back at him.
for the 100th time
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/lok/guardians.php
Because he does not gain the power of the balance guardians until Raziel heals him. why he didnt do it against EG? PIS or something we dont know about the EG, the thing is a weird being who lives in several realities at the same time, yet only corporeal if you can see him...
No he can use it to form the remnants, nothing states he can create any life he pleases, and its not said in detial how he made the remnants so guessing he can make life on a whim is a fallacy although a common one you make.
Its not fact, its assumption, you assume he can use it because his remnants can, its not fact...
Well its not dissolving meteor before it hits it is it you wally....yeh and for all you know, it could be slowly moving at a pace of 5 mph and had not become a large wave, since all we see of Sephiroth holding holy is it as a little glow in the background of the scene so its obviously not a huge wave of destruction then.
So all he did was use the energy of the lifestream ot make remnant bodies for him, thats not creating any other life at all....its not even magic, and show me the [b]proof[/]b he can access all of its powers....
show me the vide of him knocking over the tree and the hand was still in front of the falling Saviour, so the saviours weight was behind it...far heavier than super dense FF trees!
Thats a load of lie and assumptions, what you call "using your brain" is what the rest of the debators call inventing up nosnense to back up your featless characters and entities. They said it wasnt helping, you do not know if Holy could destroy Meteor alone or not either, for all you know it may not have been enough in the first place, it hardly did any damage at all when it struck..
Then stop saying "regen is durability", you just said it in this very post that a regenerating dead rat is more durable with Regen, which is the same as saying Regen is durability, its nothing to do with it, it simply regerates tissue damaged through lack of durability.
THat doesnt mean it would reach meteor in seconds, how far away is meteor exactley?
gaining knowledge does not equel being able to cast magic....try again...
nah because Dante has a multiude of useful powers hes shown feats of, like slowing time and Dante doesnt need to show resistance or durability to a featless and ungaugable attack, all we know, is Sephiroth is weak to it...which ofc is funny because he has no durability feats either.
ofc he could, instant>thought
prove it, prove thought is faster than the blink of an eye....you dont even have to think to blink for instance, its why reaction speed AKA the ability to think at a higher speed is important when tihnking about fighting Dante who can react to bullets. thought is completly diffrent and its not like sephiorth simply thinks of anything and TK powers suddenly happen, he would have to concetrate and use his TK, Cloud simply uses his instnat omnislash and destroys sephiroth.
your trying to use negatives as backup for your featless characters. Any debator worth their salt knows that trying to say Sephiroth has not shown durability as a reason for others not to say Dante is greater than sephiroths durability is a fallacy.
Originally posted by Terryc250
A>B>C doesn't work in special cases, but if we say Chaos Vincent cannot defeat Sephiroth, but Chaos Vincent can annihilate Dante, theres no special case there that you can name that proves the a>b>c won't work. If Chaos who is faster, stronger, more powerful then Dante, and could defeat Dante, yet he would not defeat Sephiroth, then what would Dante beable to do against Sephiroth? If Chaos would get neutralized by a thought then crushed by the NL, what can Dante do?Did you not read properly? I said they STAND for something, not its literally the same thing. if regular attacks do 200, then one attack does 9999, that doesn't mean that its irrelevent at all, it means that attack is POWERFUL. If regular magic spells require 10 MP to cast, but one spell requires ALL of the characters MP, that usually means for the character to cast the spell he/she needs to all of her magic power to cast it.
Which is probably why outside of gameplay Dante can only go DT when he's in a pinch or when his emotions run high, "its not the developers design interests" is just an excuse you use to try to claim a character can do anything he wants.
There is because Dante has a vast amount of powers Sephiroth doesnt have...Dante could teleport out of the TK thought and rip Sephiroth in half with his sword with ease.
nah it means shit, the same sword that you use in the beginning of FF10 (the only FF i completed long ago) you can upgrade it to have huge damage values, even the Blitz ball attack Wakka or w/e his name was could be upgraded to ridiculous values.
in a pinch? emotions high? this isnt DBZ or FF8 where emotions give you victory....and no, its the fact in gameplay you can go DT any time, and the regen bar is a gameplay mechanic to stop you sustainting it forever, although theres likely a limit, as I said, you cannot gauge it by a gameplay bar or logicless rubbish.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Nope, it was never like that:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/devilmaycry4/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-42022775&pid=928376The sourse of rumour.
Correct order is:
DMC3 manga
DMC3
DMC1+Dreamwave comics series on it
anime
DMC4
DMC2 (it was pushed to be the last canonical game about Dante by Capcom due to its utter failure, and every game released AFTER DMC4 takes part in between of DMC4 and DMC2)