Originally posted by Naija boyYou think Surfer alone could beat this amalgam?
Not really, lightmaster was just going round and round cable but not actually blasting him or anything. then he stopped and cable telekinetically wrapped him in some debris and iirc teleported him to the moon. different ballgame with surfer.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Not really, lightmaster was just going round and round cable but not actually blasting him or anything. then he stopped and cable telekinetically wrapped him in some debris and iirc teleported him to the moon. different ballgame with surfer.
When did he stop? I mean specifically did Lightmaster stopped from moving around?
Originally posted by id369
Oh fantastic analytical skills except, you missed the how he was moving the entire time, those after-images indicate movement.
Uh.... yeah they do indicate movement, from one point to another. When he makes the statement however he is stationary and the direction of the afterimages show this. The next we see of him he is being trapped by debris while in seemingly stationary position as well.
Originally posted by id369
No I disagree, Lightmaster was never stationary until Cable caught him. The scan makes it vary obvious that Lightmaster was moving around, up until Cable catches him with building debris.
No. We see the faded images behind lightmaster and then we see the thick image ( lightmasters actual body) in one position making a statement. The direction of the afterimages show that lightmaster moved from one postion to another. Also it is irrlevant anyways as physically, cable was unable to keep up with lightmaster and the method he used to take him out wud be useless against surfer.
Originally posted by Naija boy
No. We see the faded images behind lightmaster and then we see the thick image ( lightmasters actual body) in one position making a statement. The direction of the afterimages show that lightmaster moved from one postion to another. Also it is irrlevant anyways as physically, cable was unable to keep up with lightmaster and the method he used to take him out wud be useless against surfer.
Right…because apparently characters cant talk while on the move. Oh wait, that’s exactly what happened. And the method of how lightmaster was contained or stopped, is a moot point. He did so to provoke him, into piggyback riding optic lines knowing, that he has the ability to convert the façade virus.
Cable knew this before hand, calculated its point of impact, noticed the subtle change in speed. Braced himself and blew up the sucker to engulf the world with blinding light so that everyone would be infected of the face changing agent.
Given everything that has happened, there is no reason why Cable simply didn’t blew up Lightmaster from the get go, unless a greater hand was to be played.
Oh wait, it’s a moot point because Silver Surfer is different. Let me think, that’s right. Surfer already tried a speed blitz and failed since Cable braced himself.
Logging out - the Sexican.
Originally posted by id369
Right…because apparently characters cant talk while on the move. Oh wait, that’s exactly what happened. And the method of how lightmaster was contained or stopped, is a moot point. He did so to provoke him, into piggyback riding optic lines knowing, that he has the ability to convert the façade virus.Cable knew this before hand, calculated its point of impact, noticed the subtle change in speed. Braced himself and blew up the sucker to engulf the world with blinding light so that everyone would be infected of the face changing agent.
Given everything that has happened, there is no reason why Cable simply didn’t blew up Lightmaster from the get go, unless a greater hand was to be played.
Oh wait, it’s a moot point because Silver Surfer is different. Let me think, that’s right. Surfer already tried a speed blitz and failed since Cable braced himself.
Logging out - the Sexican.
Huh? Who said characters cant talk while on the move? Not the point at all. The point is that the afterimages in the scan show the movement from one position to another and then a stoppage. When we next see lightmaster he is trapped in debris.
As for the rest of ur post, most of it is highly irrlevant because as i said the method with which cable defeated llightmaster will be utterly useless against surfer.
Surfer tried and failed to speed blitz cable cuz cable braced himself? lol What? When surfer arrived, he bullrushed cable successfully and was carrying him along while flying Cable then linked their minds so that surfer cud understand his plan and was asking surfer to let him see his plan through. Surfer didnt listen though and after they had flown for quite some distance, cable was able break his grip and destroy his board. The initial bullrush however was succesful and surfer could have done much more damage to cable if he so wished ( simply ramming cable at near light speed would have done the trick)
Moreover, what surfer did there is not even close to what im talking about. Im referring to surfer "spamming" as u put it numerous blasts at the X amalgam at speeds it cant react to. In the surfer cable fight he only actually blasted once and that one blast was enough to end it.( from the looks of it a rather mild eye blast at that). Also, surfer has the huge defensive speed and manoevrability advanatage meaning that not only can he initiate numerous blasts far faster, but he can also dodge the amalgams blasts at a very high rate. Add that to the fact that he is even more durable than the amalgam and his blasts will have greater damage, and its obvious that surfer has most of the advantages in the match
Originally posted by Ambient
Speak no but thinks yeah in ref. to moving at ftl.. He'd be moving faster than the speed of sound.. lol
Originally posted by Naija boy
Huh? Who said characters cant talk while on the move? Not the point at all. The point is that the afterimages in the scan show the movement from one position to another and then a stoppage. When we next see lightmaster he is trapped in debris.
Which serves to what? Debunk your entire argument.
When did he stop? “ Yeah he seemed to stop and say "what does it take to shut you up" then cable wraps him in the debris. ”.
No, he stated so while he was moving around hence the after images. Did we have an actual panel that depicts him stopping on his own free will, in a stationary position? No, the panel jumps from him moving around, to him being trapped by debris.
Originally posted by Naija boy
As for the rest of ur post, most of it is highly irrlevant because as i said the method with which cable defeated llightmaster will be utterly useless against surfer.
Oh I see, as usless as smashing his board. Why would X-Men aim at the board again, when they cant take out you know the character that is made up of the same substance of the board?
Also it is irrlevant anyways as physically, cable was unable to keep up with lightmaster
Yeah, catching him with the debri. And then acknowledging he is he is traveling a notch above light speed on the way back..
and the method he used to take him out wud be useless against surfer.
If you mean catching him with debri, that pointless when Cable has shown he can smash the Silver Substance under his own power.
Originally posted by Naija boySurfer tried and failed to speed blitz cable cuz cable braced himself? lol What? When surfer arrived, he bullrushed cable successfully and was carrying him along while flying Cable then linked their minds so that surfer cud understand his plan and was asking surfer to let him see his plan through. Surfer didnt listen though and after they had flown for quite some distance, cable was able break his grip and destroy his board. The initial bullrush however was succesful and surfer could have done much more damage to cable if he so wished ( simply ramming cable at near light speed would have done the trick)
Originally posted by Naija boyMoreover, what surfer did there is not even close to what im talking about. Im referring to surfer "spamming" as u put it numerous blasts at the X amalgam at speeds it cant react to. In the surfer cable fight he only actually blasted once and that one blast was enough to end it.( from the looks of it a rather mild eye blast at that). Also, surfer has the huge defensive speed and manoevrability advanatage meaning that not only can he initiate numerous blasts far faster, but he can also dodge the amalgams blasts at a very high rate. Add that to the fact that he is even more durable than the amalgam and his blasts will have greater damage, and its obvious that surfer has most of the advantages in the match
Look at Qabiri and X-Man. Qabiri attacks where anything but mild and they where effectively blocked. And for all this talk about his incredible speed, Cable has shown to react at light speed his fight with Lighmaster and Surfer are key examples.
Distance of the moon/Earth - 238,857 miles
Speed of light - 186,300
Time it would take to reach earth from the moon at light speed 1.2.….
I sent him to the moon, hes made out of light. If he breaks free, do the math.
Rhetorical answer from the comic book: approximately one point two three one seconds.
Cable notices Lightmaster is running back faster and states, “He running about three tenths of a second early.”
Next I am told, that the X-Men team cant do any damage to the Surfer? They planetary scale TK, that is a wide margin of area it can effect at once!! Yet the output is suffice to put down a Great Beasts, that is a character above the Herald Class IMO, and its all internal power they have accesses two.
Tell me again friend, exactly how outclassed are the X-Men again?
I call bullshit on Cable being a match for Surfer. It was painfully obvious that as much as he was keeping up, that he was fighting a losing battle. And in case you forgot, after the board was smashed, Surfer put him down with one shot.
Surfer alone might or might not win this. But the combined amalgam has more than enough to end this.
Originally posted by id369
Which serves to what? Debunk your entire argument.When did he stop? “ Yeah he seemed to stop and say [B] "what does it take to shut you up"
then cable wraps him in the debris. ”.No, he stated so while he was moving around hence the after images. Did we have an actual panel that depicts him stopping on his own free will, in a stationary position? No, the panel jumps from him moving around, to him being trapped by debris.
Oh I see, as usless as smashing his board. Why would X-Men aim at the board again, when they cant take out you know the character that is made up of the same substance of the board?
Also it is irrlevant anyways as physically, cable was unable to keep up with lightmaster
Yeah, catching him with the debri. And then acknowledging he is he is traveling a notch above light speed on the way back..and the method he used to take him out wud be useless against surfer.
If you mean catching him with debri, that pointless when Cable has shown he can smash the Silver Substance under his own power.Right, as successful as Lightmaster in attempting in blitzing Surfer. When an unsuspecting character, rushes another with no for warning its called a speed blitz. And look neither, where successful. Cable Toyed with Lighmaster, Cable reacted to Suffer.
( simply ramming cable at near light speed would have done the trick)
Like Lighmaster, rushing at faster then light speed did the trick? Oh yeah it didn’t.Madness, that laser eye beam was effective because Cable didn’t even bother to defend himself.
Look at Qabiri and X-Man. Qabiri attacks where anything but mild and they where effectively blocked. And for all this talk about his incredible speed, Cable has shown to react at light speed his fight with Lighmaster and Surfer are key examples.
Distance of the moon/Earth - 238,857 miles
Speed of light - 186,300
Time it would take to reach earth from the moon at light speed 1.2.….I sent him to the moon, hes made out of light. If he breaks free, do the math.
Rhetorical answer from the comic book: approximately one point two three one seconds.Cable notices Lightmaster is running back faster and states, “He running about three tenths of a second early.”
Next I am told, that the X-Men team cant do any damage to the Surfer? They planetary scale TK, that is a wide margin of area it can effect at once!! Yet the output is suffice to put down a Great Beasts, that is a character above the Herald Class IMO, and its all internal power they have accesses two.
Tell me again friend, exactly how outclassed are the X-Men again? [/B]
Lulz Debunk my entire argument? U obviously have no idea what ur talking about.
The direction of the afterimages indicate movement from one position to another. They all lead up to the thick image which represents lightmasters real body that is standing in an upright position when that statement is made. That is the point. The after images all behind lightmasters real body which at that point is standing in one position. Then the panel changes and we see him trapped in debris. Similar after images are even present on the page prior to that one and also show lightmasters movement and stoppage from one point to another.
As i said before( though u obviously just ignored it) being able to smash surfers board in no way indicates u will be able to smash surfer or anything similar. Surfers has taken numerous attacks from beings that have been able to smash his board without even being koed. e.g firelord, mrungo mu.
Further catching lightmaster with debris is not an example of Cable PHYSICALLY keeping up with lightmaster. Also cable acknowledging that lightmaster was travelling at above lightspeed on the way back from the moon is just irrlevant. It indicates the capabilities of lightmaster but in no way proves he was moving at that speed even before he stopped.
lulz as for the next part, most of it is just gibberish. as successful as Lightmaster in attempting in blitzing Surfer What the hell?
Not only that but u completely ignored the rest as u could find no reasonable rebuttal to it. Yes when a character rushes another character it can be called a speedblitz/bullrush or whatever u want to call it. However to say that surfers intial blitz was not succesful is just a flat out lie and complete nonsense. The purpose of a speedblitz is to get ur opponenet before he can react. This surfer showed he is clearly and easily capable of by rushing cable and taking him off the ground before cable could react. He then flew with cable for a good amount of minutes while in control of cables wrists. During the flight however, cable was eventually able to break free of surfers grip and break surfers board. By this time however THE INITIAL BLITZ/RUSH ITSELF WAS OVER and hence saying cable "reacted to surfer" is just nonsense. By being able to grab cable before he could react, surfer successfully blitzed/rushed him. After then surfer was simply holding on to cable , which he did for quite a long time BTW, and not doing much else. Cable was therefore eventually able to break surfers grip and release a blast that destroyed his board. As i said before, if surfer had simply rammed cable and not chosen to pick him up, it would have been all over( this is indisputable as cable was unable to react to the speed of surfers rush). You once again referencing the lightmaster example to prove that cable can handle a blitz from surfer is wrong on so many levels. Firstly the last time lightmaster is seen he is in a stationary position. Secondly lightmaster was actually able to succesfully hit twice before he stopped his assault ( note there is nothing to indicate he was moving at even close to lightspeed)_. A similar hit from surfer who is vastly vastly faster than lightmaster as well as vastly vastly stronger would have finished off cable.
Ur statement
"Madness, that laser eye beam was effective because Cable didn’t even bother to defend himself."
once again shows that u r not ar all grasping what im talking about. Yes the blast was so effective cuz cable didnt defend himself but thats the point. Cable's major way of defending himself is by erecting forcefields and without that form of defence his durability is relatively low. (in reference to surfer level beings). The amalgams durability is in similar range and is therefore nothing to write home about. Cable hasnt shown to react at lihtspeed at all and as ive explained above his fights with surfer and lightmaster are not proof of this in any way (neither of which were even moving at lightspeed).
Further, i didnt say that the amalgam cant do any damage to surfer simply that it cant do as much as surfer can do to it which is why it will lose. Its TK is nice but surfers matter manip feats are greater than anythin the X members have done. The output is sufficient to put down the great beasts? Nice. However, what feats do the Great beasts have to put them above surfer level? especially durability wise? Also if we are going by high power output feats, surfer has actually outpowered mephisto in his own realm ( i can provide scans if u need them) as well as been able to create blackholes as an aftereffect of his casual blasts. He has them beat in this department as well
Finally i didnt even say the Xmen were outclassed just that surfer has most of the advantages. Even with those advanatges, it wont be a walkover match in anyway just that surfer will take the majority.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Lulz Debunk my entire argument? U obviously have no idea what ur talking about.The direction of the afterimages indicate movement from one position to another. They all lead up to the thick image which represents lightmasters real body that is standing in an upright position when that statement is made. That is the point. The after images all behind lightmasters real body which at that point is standing in one position. Then the panel changes and we see him trapped in debris. Similar after images are even present on the page prior to that one and also show lightmasters movement and stoppage from one point to another.
What?!?! You fail to point out a character in a stationary position, so what do you go after, romanticizing an action that isn’t their!!
Look guys, he stopped because he was moving but all of sudden he stops because that’s where the after images lead up to!! Bullshit! That source body serves to show where the after images came from, to indicate movement. There is no forth ground of Lighmaster EVER stopping, only the fact that he stoped dead in its tracks.
Originally posted by Naija boy
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As i said before( though u obviously just ignored it) being able to smash surfers board in no way indicates u will be able to smash surfer or anything similar. Surfers has taken numerous attacks from beings that have been able to smash his board without even being koed. e.g firelord, mrungo mu.
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But wait, the Surfer has had his own board smashed across his head K.O.ing him in the processes. Why you continue to delegate that destroying the board will have no effect on the Surfer itself is beyond me. Given the fact that both are made from the material, and both can be destroyed.
Originally posted by Naija boy
[BFurther catching lightmaster with debris is not an example of Cable PHYSICALLY keeping up with lightmaster. Also cable acknowledging that lightmaster was travelling at above lightspeed on the way back from the moon is just irrlevant. It indicates the capabilities of lightmaster but in no way proves he was moving at that speed even before he stopped.
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Originally posted by Naija boy
[Blulz as for the next part, most of it is just gibberish. as successful as Lightmaster in attempting in blitzing Surfer What the hell?
Not only that but u completely ignored the rest as u could find no reasonable rebuttal to it. Yes when a character rushes another character it can be called a speedblitz/bullrush or whatever u want to call it. However to say that surfers intial blitz was not succesful is just a flat out lie and complete nonsense. The purpose of a speedblitz is to get ur opponenet before he can react. This surfer showed he is clearly and easily capable of by rushing cable and taking him off the ground before cable could react. He then flew with cable for a good amount of minutes while in control of cables wrists. During the flight however, cable was eventually able to break free of surfers grip and break surfers board. By this time however THE INITIAL BLITZ/RUSH ITSELF WAS OVER and hence saying cable "reacted to surfer" is just nonsense. By being able to grab cable before he could react, surfer successfully blitzed/rushed him. After then surfer was simply holding on to cable , which he did for quite a long time BTW, and not doing much else. Cable was therefore eventually able to break surfers grip and release a blast that destroyed his board. As i said before, if surfer had simply rammed cable and not chosen to pick him up, it would have been all over( this is indisputable as cable was unable to react to the speed of surfers rush). You once again referencing the lightmaster example to prove that cable can handle a blitz from surfer is wrong on so many levels. Firstly the last time lightmaster is seen he is in a stationary position. Secondly lightmaster was actually able to succesfully hit twice before he stopped his assault ( note there is nothing to indicate he was moving at even close to lightspeed)_. A similar hit from surfer who is vastly vastly faster than lightmaster as well as vastly vastly stronger would have finished off cable.
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Your points is fruitless. And here is why, upon FF 4 contacting Silver Surfer and debriefing in the current situation. Surfer one and only goal was to take Cable out. The Speedblitz failed, because Surfer caught him. Do you actually think, that it is under Surfers character to prolong a battle that could cause harm to innocents and collateral damage? You’re a Surfer fan, so don’t let me down with some bush league explanation.
I mean God, he even states he didn’t for see Surfers interface.
HMMM.. Didn’t see that coming. - Cable
What more could you possibly want, from a Character reacting to a speed blitz in real time?
Originally posted by Naija boy.
Ur statement
"Madness, that laser eye beam was effective because Cable didn’t even bother to defend himself."
once again shows that u r not ar all grasping what im talking about. Yes the blast was so effective cuz cable didnt defend himself but thats the point. Cable's major way of defending himself is by erecting forcefields and without that form of defence his durability is relatively low. (in reference to surfer level beings). The amalgams durability is in similar range and is therefore nothing to write home about. Cable hasnt shown to react at lihtspeed at all and as ive explained above his fights with surfer and lightmaster are not proof of this in any way (neither of which were even moving at lightspeed).
Originally posted by Naija boyFurther, i didnt say that the amalgam cant do any damage to surfer simply that it cant do as much as surfer can do to it which is why it will lose. Its TK is nice but surfers matter manip feats are greater than anythin the X members have done. The output is sufficient to put down the great beasts? Nice. However, what feats do the Great beats have to put them above surfer level? especially durability wise? Also if we are going by high power output feats, surfer has actually outpowered mephisto in his own realm ( i can provide scans if u need them) as well as been able to create blackholes as an aftereffect of his casual blasts. He has them beat in this department as well
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Ranting on about Surfer matter manipulation is a pointless argument. Point is, the fight with Surfer/Cable show’s probably the best matter manipulation feats from both ends. Yet despite the fact it was present in battle, neither applied it to one another to change a more favorable outcome.
And his best blasts, don’t create black holes all the time. You have one time where he set forth a timed energy bomb, to give his friend a befitting end. Yet other then that time, you don’t see Surfer EVER create another one despite let it be casual or though extreme effort.
Yes I am aware, both Thor and Surfer harness extravagant power. But you have to respect, another character’s power if its formidable.
Originally posted by Naija boyFinally i didnt even say the Xmen were outclassed just that surfer has most of the advantages. Even with those advanatges, it wont be a walkover match in anyway just that surfer will take the majority. [/B]
" The output is sufficient to put down the great beasts? Nice. However, what feats do the Great beasts have to put them above surfer level? especially durability wise? "
I personally think Nate doing anything to them is BS. But sufficit to say, one Great Beast could probably solo the field, if they didn't BFR back home it in 20 minutes.
Amalgam 1:
Versality and speed of Silver Surfer
Energy Soak and experience of Thor
Punches of Superman
This would be a walking nightmare.
Godlike Cable lost to Surfer already. X-Man is a tough s.o.b, but Surfer have shown that his Willpower is maybe the greatest in the MU and would probably resist it. Everything that would be thrown at them would be stop/block by a combinason of both Cosmic Awarness / Mjorlnir.
And the worst is this:
Powered by sunlight + Power Cosmic = Always on his prime.
I don't see anything that amalgam 2 could possibly do to stop the whooping.
Amalgam 1 10/10
An action that isnt their? Are u serious? lulz.
Look guys, he stopped because he was moving but all of sudden he stops because that’s where the after images lead up to!! Bullshit! That source body serves to show where the after images came from, to indicate movement. There is no forth ground of Lighmaster EVER stopping, only the fact that he stoped dead in its tracks.
Why do u insist on this gibberish? If this is ur summary of my argument then i advise u to go and learn how to read and comprehend before u type this nonsense. "There is no forth ground to indicate lightmaster EVER stopping only the fact that he stopped dead in its tracks" ? What does this garbage even mean? 😱. On the page prior to the one being referenced, we see nearly the exact same action being performed : lightmaster performs a rush on cable stops and makes a statement. We see the afterimages of lightmaster behind him and we see his actual body stationary in an upright position. this indicates his movement and stoppage. This is the same action portrayed on the page prior to the one which lightmaster is trapped in debris.
Isn’t that Board made of the exact same substance that warrants Silver Surfer its durability? And it most likely retains a thicker composition, since the innards of Surfer are not completely made of that exotic substance. While Surfers Silver skin, is just that. Common sense, dictates, that one piece of material retains greater durability, if said material is thicker then the other. But wait, the Surfer has had his own board smashed across his head K.O.ing him in the processes. Why you continue to delegate that destroying the board will have no effect on the Surfer itself is beyond me. Given the fact that both are made from the material, and both can be destroyed.
In all seriousness why do u persist on putting ur own stupid words into my mouth? I never said that blasts that destroy surfers board will have no effect on him. I said that they will not destroy him in similar manner to how his board was destroyed. What u think common sense dictates is absolutely irrelevant as u are basing ur opinion on speculation. THE ON PANEL FACT is that surfer has taken numerous blasts that destroyed his board without even being koed let alone destroyed. Surfer having his board smashed over his head is in no way similar to receiving a blast that destroyed his board ( which instance are u even referencing?) not only because it is blunt force but also because it would depend on the actual force with which the board was smashed on him which would vary greatly regrdless of whether his board breaks or not. To say that anything that can destroy surfers board can do similar to surfer is just a flat out lie and is unsupported by on panel evidence.
Than you missed point. The fact of the matter is, that Cable can react and processes his thoughts at extraordinary speed. Such as that of an object in greater speed than light in real time, to the point of concluding how much divergence of speed increments took place.
I can argue that cable mentioning that he is running three tenths of a second early was not to be taking literally seeing as he didnt even want the calculations earlier and also that given the context of the panels the calculation is even incorrect but even if we accept it, it does not put him anywhere near surfers level of thinking or processing speed. Not even close. If u need feats no problem
Your points is fruitless. And here is why, upon FF 4 contacting Silver Surfer and debriefing in the current situation. Surfer one and only goal was to take Cable out. The Speedblitz failed, because Surfer caught him. Do you actually think, that it is under Surfers character to prolong a battle that could cause harm to innocents and collateral damage? You’re a Surfer fan, so don’t let me down with some bush league explanation. I mean God, he even states he didn’t for see Surfers interface. HMMM.. Didn’t see that coming. - Cable What more could you possibly want, from a Character reacting to a speed blitz in real time?
This is the part of this post that just shows u have no idea of what u r talking about. "The Speedblitz failed, because Surfer caught him" What the hell? it failed because surfer caught him? My god. THE SPEEDBLITZ DID NOT FAIL. It succeeded BECAUSE he was able to catch cable OFF GUARD. U cannot claim that cable reacted to surfers blitz BECAUSE IN ACTUALITY HE DID NOT!! Moreover, why are u bringing surfers character into this? Is it in surfers character to prolong a battle that would harm innocents? No. Was he prolonging it however? For some reason Yes. Not that any of that is even relevant in the first place. After surfer blitzed cable and grabbed and hold of him, he began to carry him and really didnt do much in the way of attacking. why was this? I dont know but THE FACT remains that
all cable did was break surfers grip and then destroy his board. He DIDNT REACT TO SURFERS BLITZ BECAUSE THE BLITZ WAS ALREADY OVER!!!! Cable saying hmm i didnt see that coming is of absolutely no relevance here. What more could i want from a character reacting to a blitz u say? Well for starters, the character actually reacting to it would be great.
How can a character not react to light speed, when he comments is slightly ahead of time and erects a force field against a character going faster the light!!!?!!?
Cable did not and physically react at FTL speeds. With some reaching we may be able to conclude that his brain was able to process at such speeds and hence the erection of a forcefield. However my point is that aside forcefields his durability and the amalgams durability as well is relatively low. Aside that it has no form of defence against surfer and as we saw in the cable fight surfer does not even need to use his best blasts to take it down. Hence surfer is superior to the amalgam in the defensive category as well.
The Great Beasts, granted the Wrecking crew enough power to give Beta Ray Bill a whopping. Ranting on about Surfer matter manipulation is a pointless argument. Point is, the fight with Surfer/Cable show’s probably the best matter manipulation feats from both ends. Yet despite the fact it was present in battle, neither applied it to one another to change a more favorable outcome. And his best blasts, don’t create black holes all the time. You have one time where he set forth a timed energy bomb, to give his friend a befitting end. Yet other then that time, you don’t see Surfer EVER create another one despite let it be casual or though extreme effort. Yes I am aware, both Thor and Surfer harness extravagant power. But you have to respect, another character’s power if its formidable.
While defeating the great beast is impressive, it is still trumped by surfers high end feats. No explaining the depth of surfers matter manipulation powers is not at all pointless. The fight with surfer may be the best feat for cable but its not at all surfers best or even close. In the fight against cable surfer held back immensely. For heavens sake he blasted cable only once and thats proof enough. So surfer not matter manipulating cable frankly doesnt do anything to help ur case at all. Also, i never said that surfers best blasts always create blackholes but since u were bringing up the best feats from ur end i simply brought up the best feats from surfer in order to show their and his superiority. Respecting characters power is one thing however im not going to base my argument on speculation without any concrete feats to back it up. Why u r bringing thor into this
😕 I really have no idea.
The X-Men amalgam outclasses the Surfer. I will accept, that members view Team Surfer as the superior
The X men amalgam does not outclass surfer at all and u have done absolutely nothing to prove it. Surfer has it beaten on nearly all counts from, speed,manoevrability and overall durability, to versatility and overall poweroutput. He is superior on offense and defense so saying he is outclassed is just laughable