Yep. 15 of them.
Regarding the quality of the quality of McClane's oppostion:
In "Die harder" McClane identifys just the 1st guy he has killed in the movie, by faxing Al Powell the prints.
Powell faxes this back:
"05-12-69 - Assigned duty in Cambodia
12-09-69 - Assigned secret duty in Laos
02-05-69 - Special forces duty Thailand
06-06-74 - Technical instructor, Fort Benning
07-05-78 - Special ops group desert training center, Saudi Arabia
11-08-85 - Special training, CIA langley, VA
05-07-86 - In field advisor - Afghanistan
05-11-88 - Killed in helicopter accident. (<-Cover story)"
"That is not the resume of some punk stealing luggage."
-In fact it looks like all Riggs' stuff plus some.
And McClane kills him FIRST...!!!
Also: McClane can also and does shoot from the hip.
McClane also shoots round corners, without seeing the target but still getting them.
McClane killed a guy with an Icicle. Diversitaaaayyyyyyyyyy.
McClanes luck is much his own making. When there is luck for him, it is also paired with something he has done to get the effect.
(EG: All the luck in the world would not have mattered in DH1 if McClane hadnt wrapped that hose on in a escape bid)
McClane had no problem against the 1st guy on the wing (John Amos)....Stewart then came out and was very flash but didnt really hurt McClane.... and McClane still did what he needed to...alone.
Riggs fought on after being impaled in the leg, before being rescued by Murtaugh.
McClane fought on after being impaled/slowly cut-stabbed and with a knife in the shoulder, and still won.
And in DH3 , McClane fights Thargo and kills two others, all with that bit of steel cable in him.
And in DH2, Rigg's skinny little ass would never have lifted that runway maintainance hatch in time to get out unkilled when the plane rolled over it.
Thargo in DH3 would have murdered Riggs with brutal efficiency.
As for "McClane getting his ass handed to him" by Maggie Q, while she got her shots in, it is clear that McClane had beaten her unconcious at least twice in that fight. His mercy in not just shooting her there and then is what allowed her to return.
So enough was enough and it was SUV time.
Win. Win. Win.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mhm....And the fact that an average Joe, like you or I, could have killed those troops just as easily, this doesn't bother you? I mean it's not like he killed them individually, one at a time, all he did was light and drop a zippo lighter.
No more than it bothers me that other devices like "guns" are used.
No you are wrong. The average Joe wasnt out on/able to be in the position to get on that wing, Let alone beat John Amos' character, or even surviving, probably against Col.Stewart.
Besides the flames can up from back and travelled cockpit bound. Ergo it didnt kill all at one. They would have died sequentially. A slow mo should illustrate that for you.
Thusly: "How all at once" they died is relative.
Kills is still kills and dont deny it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Whereas Riggs would have won both H2H battles, boarded the Jet, taken them all out with his Beretta, LANDED the Jet, and would have been home in time to watch the stooges.
All without Murtaugh....? I dont think so.
Stewart would have done him.
Stewart was way higher trained than Riggs and was bigger/in better physical condition that Riggs..
He is train train train, whereas Riggs is was drink drink smoke for quite a while, we learn in LW1, then after he just gets older.
And Riggs "training skills" you kept claiming that gives Riggs any superirity over McClane, CLEARLY means shit against McClane and would mean even less than that less to Col.Stewart..
One of Stewarts underlings was equal to/superior to Riggs, according to the resume.
Sure I did, chump. 😉
Ive seen them.
(Now you remind me, John Voights Champ had a better outcome for the protagonist than it would do for Riggs if he went after McClane.)
Sadly the stats, figures and facts I provided both counter your argument, and corroborate/vindicate the pro-Mcclaners.
Still its a free world and you dont have to follow logic or the realness of what I bought in as evidence we have just seen over the last page or two at all.
So carry on with you fanboy dreams, while the rest of us live in the reality of what was, is and (in the scenario at hand) mostly likely will be as opposed to pure uninformed fantasy..
Of course Riggs is no pussycat and its not as simple as that, yer big pigeonholer, you.
But.... Yes. Riggs has tidier form, but McClane for all Rigg's training is the better fighter when they are compared. A more regular, creative, merciless and diverse effective killer as his superior count shows..
And he has killed way more quality oppostion than Riggs.
And had endured more than Riggs has to give McClane.
(Other than if Riggs were to say get a head shot in, which McClane has equal chance of doing with Riggs minus his sniper's rifle and when Riggs is without Roger's back up..)
You dont vote for "Best race car of the year" because of its flashy colour.
Its on the reliablity/performance side of things.
The superior numbers are just ONE reason why McClane is better.
So what...? I could say the same for you about the Die Hard movies but with some confidence.
The fact is that Im familiar with both sagas having watched them all since they came out, watched the LWs in Novemberish time, and watched the Die Hards over christmas.
But thank you for bringing more wrongness for my rightness to balance against.