John McClane VS Martin Riggs

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
😆 Twice when? All I saw was her get knocked DOWN, not OUT. If you wanna be anal about it, she knocked him out in return ✅

And let me use my jackhammer to get this through that thick skull of yours.......THERE IS NO TRUCK IN THE HIGH RISE FOR MCCLAINE TO USE.

Get it? Got it? GOOD.

Thick skull...? F*** you.
Get THIS through YOUR thick skull, you bellend:
Although the other incidents are just knockdowns.
WHEN MCCLANE THROWS HER THROUGH THE RACKS, SHE IS KNOCKED OUT.

THERE.

EYES CLOSED!!!!
ASLEEP...!!!
KNOCKED OUT....!!!

ITS THE BIT WHERE MCCLANE BLOWS THERE HAIR OUT OF HIS FINGERS!!!!!

MCCLANE COULD HAVE KILLED HER THEN.

HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT...??????

Is your version horrifically cut or something...?
She is f***ed up there....!!!!

Much like your reasoning process.

Originally posted by Robtard
By your logic, McClaine then beat her, if McClane was "beaten in H2H" because he was tossed out a window (just more credit to his epic resilience), then she clearly lost in H2H when she was "knocked down" first.

Or you can just accept that she gave him all she had, he took it without much trouble and then killed her.

You have no way of knowing that, considering he came back after giving him her all, as told and re-told to you. She was faster, more agile and had fancier moves, look where it got her though, a utility truck in the colon and a one way trip down an elevator shaft.

Yeah, she died; he won.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
WHEN MCCLANE THROWS HER THROUGH THE RACKS, SHE IS KNOCKED OUT.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Thick skull...? F*** you.
Get THIS through YOUR thick skull, you bellend:
Although the other incidents are just knockdowns.
WHEN MCCLANE THROWS HER THROUGH THE RACKS, SHE IS KNOCKED OUT.

THERE.

EYES CLOSED!!!!
ASLEEP...!!!
KNOCKED OUT....!!!

ITS THE BIT WHERE MCCLANE BLOWS THERE HAIR OUT OF HIS FINGERS!!!!!

MCCLANE COULD HAVE KILLED HER THEN.

HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT...??????

Is your version horrifically cut or something...?
She is f***ed up there....!!!!

Much like your reasoning process.

Again, shoulda woulda coulda. She could have walked over and killed him when SHE knocked HIM out first, didja miss that little nugget? AFTER she disarmed him TWICE. Dude had two guns on her, she took them away, and beat the holy hell outta him.

Her mistake, assuming she was out for good. His? Same, remember when he says "What the f..." then she kicks him out the window?

h2h battle over, Maggie Q wins the h2h battle.

McClaine aint stupid, he know that he is no match for her h2h, so he uses an SUV.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's RJ's cue to duck-out for a bit and wait until this specific bit of topic changes because he finally realizes that he was invariably wrong for the last 10+ pages.

You dont get to tell me shit mate. Not when YOU opened the personally abusive can of worms like you always do when your argument is destroyed because such a tactic should be slapped down immediately.
THE SUV still would count.
Its a sign of the imagination that he puts into killing f***s.

But nothing changes what he did that to her.
(Like you say, its would could should apart from the fact THAT he knocked her out at one point, then killed her.

Awesome.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, I already countered and am waiting for the next round of McClaine knob polishing.

And just for the record, at Riggs now has a vagina because you worn his knob away with polishing long ago.

And Murtaugh's.

It'll be Leo next. 😛

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You dont get to tell me shit mate.
You opened the personally abusive can of worms like you always do when your argument is destroyed.
THE SUV still would count.
Its a sign of the imagination that he puts into killing f***s.

But nothing changes what he did that to her.
(Like you say, its would could should apart from the fact THAT he knocked her out at one point, then killed her.

Awesome.

No, I am afraid the SUV does not count in the HAND TO HAND battle. If McClaine had whipped out a grenade and blew her up, would that count as "hand to hand?" NOPE.

And she knocked him out FIRST, AFTER disarming him not once, but TWICE.

Try again, try harder.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh more blanket dismissive statements denoting ignorance...
I you won't post like an adult then go from the big boy's table...
😛
Countered, yes countered like a victims head counters the movement of a truck's wheels over it.

And just for the record, at Riggs now has a vagina because you worn his knob away with polishing long ago.

And Murtaugh's.

It'll be Leo next. 😛

Yes. you do that.

Logic and reason might require that extra time to register.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, take a pill, I aint being abusive, just being an ass 🙄 "Mate" haermm

No, I am afraid the SUV does not count in the HAND TO HAND battle. If McClaine had whipped out a grenade and blew her up, would that count as "hand to hand?" NOPE.

And she knocked him out FIRST, AFTER disarming him not once, but TWICE.

Try again, try harder.

Well if that doenst count then neither does dropping a crate on a guy.

Ergo Riggs lost to/couldnt beat the South Africans.

You SAY he was knocked out (lost conciousness) but it didnt happen even once there. So that is a lie.

Whereas she WAS sparko after flying into the cabinet.
Sparko= Unconcious. Knocked out.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well if that doenst count then neither does dropping a crate on a guy.

Ergo Riggs lost to/couldnt beat the South Africans.

You SAY he was knocked out (lost conciousness) but it didnt happen even once there. So that is a lie.

Whereas she WAS sparko after flying into the cabinet.
Sparko= Unconcious. Knocked out.

McClaine lost h2h, end of story.

It was a lie because you stated that she wasnt unconcious.
When she clearly was. Ten seconds of being unconcious isnt enough toime for McClane to break her neck..? Ten seconds in a fast moving fight is an eternity.
Disagree all you like, but fact is: He want gonna kill her 'til that window pissed him off.

So if 'acheived aims' is what you want, McClane aimed to kill Maggie Q and he did it..from your logic's perspective.

Explain these 'six ways from sunday'.
'Cause from where Im sitting she kicked him through a window,
failing epically to kill him, he jumps in the car rams it into her, crashes her into a shaft where she dies.

I've disproved all you say.
And still maintain that you are hung up on what McClane used rather than that he had the ingenuity to use it.

'Cause ingenuity is what saves McClane again and again which will factor along with his skills, endurance, instincts, determination and brutality agianst Riggs H2H.

Now that we've proven:

* That McClane has killed more than Riggs and Murtaugh combined in all their movies...

* McClane has kicked ass more constantly for spanning 3 decades
of maiming and killing as the "F**kin' energizer bunny"
While Riggs and Murtaugh were retiring like 10 years ago...

* That Riggs' being only half of a buddy movie duo is a factor...needing his partner constantly...

* That for all Riggs' training, McClane has fought and killed dozens upon dozens of men of Riggs' standards and beyond, (as proven with the resume) and those 66 odd men were brutal hired killers from all walks from street punk to CIA Military have all died trying to kill him.

*That the scenario plays to McClanes' strengths/experience in its setting and only hurts Riggs. (No sniping opportunities. No Roger etc)

*That McClane has way more non-gun combat kills to his name on screen than Riggs and Murtaugh.

*That McClane has more gun kills than Riggs and Murtaugh

*Even that in McClanes would beat Mel Gibson.
(Riggs is just a film character in McClane's world....) 😛

....the onus is now on you now to start proving stuff.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It was a lie because you stated that she wasnt unconcious.
When she clearly was. Ten seconds of being unconcious isnt enough toime for McClane to break her neck..? Ten seconds in a fast moving fight is an eternity.
Disagree all you like, but fact is: He want gonna kill her 'til that window pissed him off.

And if Maggie Q had decided to walk over and kill him while he lay helpless after she knocked him down, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

So if 'acheived aims' is what you want, McClane aimed to kill Maggie Q and he did it..from your logic's perspective.

Oh wait.....

The truck didnt kill her!!! It was the elevator!!! She was STILL kicking his ass IN THE TRUCK, she was gonna cap his ass, then gravity took over.

So......Gravity killed Maggie Q, NOT McClaine. I have exercised the demon!!! 😱

Explain these 'six ways from sunday'.
'Cause from where Im sitting she kicked him through a window,
failing epically to kill him, he jumps in the car rams it into her, crashes her into a shaft where she dies.

I've disproved all you say.
And still maintain that you are hung up on what McClane used rather than that he had the ingenuity to use it.

'Cause ingenuity is what saves McClane again and again which will factor along with his skills, endurance, instincts, determination and brutality agianst Riggs H2H.

Now that we've proven:

* That McClane has killed more than Riggs and Murtaugh combined in all their movies...

* McClane has kicked ass more constantly for spanning 3 decades
of maiming and killing as the "F**kin' energizer bunny"
While Riggs and Murtaugh were retiring like 10 years ago...

* That Riggs' being only half of a buddy movie duo is a factor...needing his partner constantly...

* That for all Riggs' training, McClane has fought and killed dozens upon dozens of men of Riggs' standards and beyond, (as proven with the resume) and those 66 odd men were brutal hired killers from all walks from street punk to CIA Military have all died trying to kill him.

*That the scenario plays to McClanes' strengths/experience in its setting and only hurts Riggs. (No sniping opportunities. No Roger etc)

*That McClane has way more non-gun combat kills to his name on screen than Riggs and Murtaugh.

*That McClane has more gun kills than Riggs and Murtaugh

*Even that in McClanes would beat Mel Gibson.
(Riggs is just a film character in McClane's world....) 😛

....the onus is now on you now to start proving stuff.

I already did pages ago, and you are ignoring it.

as thread starter, let me say one thing:
there is NO suv for John to hit Martin with 😐

and in this thread, in a h2h to fight, if either of them KO's the other they've won the fight. the first one to get KO'd LOSES. in a real fight, the moment your eyes roll to the back of your skull, you're history and the other guy is free to sit on top of you and proceed to beat a living shitbag out of you till you don't wake up for another week. so if McClane gets Ko'd--for however long--he's losing because once his eyes roll and he blacks out, Riggs is gonna beat the f0ck outta him for as long as he wants to and make sure he's kicked his kidneys to the point that McClane will say that he's been peeing red for his whole life.

and again: no f-cking SUV 😠

~Sado

Took you long enough haermm

Why do I feel your words will go unnoticed?

How will he do that while sparked out..?

Well McClane was never KO'd whereas Maggie Q WAS.
You cite real life fight dynamics?
Well another odds on certainty for McClane re-sparking her out killing her and mostly likely Riggs who will be out powered and fighting an opponent unwilling to let him fight at his own pace. McClane'll be on him like stink on shit. No time for crane stance HERE, Daniel san.

My argument has never been that McClane would be able to use a SUV in this, merely that he will kill with what is at hand.
If there was a ball point in the room and nothing else, he'd STILL kill Riggs with it... to just deny that there will be objects in this buliding would be very cheap move. And if you accept that they are there, you must also accept that McClane will try to kill with them, if need be.

Im afraid that the stats that show McClane to be a more fearsome and prolific killer is VERY relevant here.

As is that Riggs would be just another highly trained statistic on McClane's record, judging by the proven higher pedegree of opponents that John has killed than Riggs or any of his adversaries.

And McClane does his by 98% by himself/alone...

When did Riggs ever take out 2 entire commandos of the US military's hardest men in one day...? Wassatyousay...? Never? Oh. 😛

When did Riggs gain the experience in fighting in the proposed environment that McClane has...? He didnt. Oh ok then.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Why do I feel your words will go unnoticed?

Because everybody has a pair of your "logic and sound reasoning filter" googles now you've been using all this thread...? 😖hifty:

They are noticed. Not actually agreed with, but noticed, they have been.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
A mistake Riggs would not have made.

And if Maggie Q had decided to walk over and kill him while he lay helpless after she knocked him down, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Not h2h he didn't, he got pwned h2h, he had to kill her with a truck.

Oh wait.....

The truck didnt kill her!!! It was the elevator!!! She was STILL kicking his ass IN THE TRUCK, she was gonna cap his ass, then gravity took over.

So......Gravity killed Maggie Q, NOT McClaine. I have exercised the demon!!! 😱

Six ways from sunday means she beat him so bad he gave up fighting h2h. Any smart man would realize that they were outclassed.

h2h, gunfight, that's the scenario. Deal with it.

All are debatable.

Not a factor here.

Lethal Weapon was made in 87, Die Hard in 88. Do your research.

CRUTCH.

One on one, baby, one on one.

Riggs is a trained detective and an ex assassin. I am sure he will take to the high rise like a duck to water.

Yeah, and you are counting the guys he killed with a zippo. crylaugh

Sure about that?

And vice versa.

I already did pages ago, and you are ignoring it.

You wanna talk crutches..? How about the big 6ft one with a Smith and Wesson.....like Riggs has.

Yes Im pretty sure, having seen the breakdowns.

Sore losing, your problem with the Zippo.
I guess we should penalise Riggs for use of fire and a suv or truck in LW 3 then, huh..?

Well now that this has degenerated into another classic RJ "fingers in ears nayah nahhh nahhhh session", theres little to stop the boredom from giving in to tiredness.

Ive presented the facts, they just get 'countered' with unrelated-to-the-point irrelevances and non sequitors and ridiculous bias.

May look in tommorrow, to see if you are any less wrong...
You may now commence mouthing off behind my back. 😉