John McClane VS Martin Riggs

IIRC the only time Martaugh saved Rigg's life was in LW4 against Jet Li. the funny thing is though that the worst bumps that Riggs took were with Martaugh right there but still failing to get his back (Lw2 when the dude emptied the whole f'ing clip on Riggs for example). Martaugh always had his own agendas in the movies and he was more the second hero than the sidekick. also, Riggs' villains weren't conceited schmuks who liked to toy with their prey. neither laurna nor Martaugh saved Riggs' bailed Riggs out from certain death at any point (except an old riggs against Jet li). Riggs literally took out the entire base of the badguys ON HIS OWN in LW1 and LW2. there is no scene in LW series where Riggs' couldnt' have survived without Martaugh or anyone else. heck, Riggs was originally supposed to die at the end of LW2 because martaugh didn't have his back when he got shot. in the novel he actually dies.

the cop friend of McClane saved his life and his wife's life in the end of DH1. Zeus literally dragged McClane's ass out of the fire at that harlem scene. then it was Zeus who helped with their untying which ALSO would've ended in McClane being charblasted outta the world. and the computer geek was somebody who filled in mcclane with all the tech knowledge you can think of cuz there is NO WAY mcclane would've been able to figure everything out on his own cuz he knew next to nothing about computers. i don't remember DH2, but McClane probably had his ass saved there too. face it, boys and girls, McClane's been VERY lucky in all his hero cop charade.

~Sado

Riggs helper was still there as a constant.

A few bad guys on his own.
Mcclane killed way more on his own.

Name me the deaths that Zeus was responsible for.
I think you'll find that Murtaugh wins on the kills score.

As for the fact that Riggs can be away from his Cop partner, basically you might not watch your TV all day, but you still have one.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
A mistake Riggs would not have made.

Lethal Weapon was made in 87, Die Hard in 88. Do your research.

And vice versa.

You asked me to Quote you saying that...?

Oooops there I did.

When I said that in the Die Hard universe Lethal weapon was a movie.

THATS WHEN YOU SAID and I Quote "AND VICE VERSA".

You are proven again to be a liar.

As for the do your reseach bullshit. I suggest that you read the post you responded to. You'll find that it has F**K ALL to do with your responding post.
I was addressing how many decades the killing sprees spanned:

Lethal weapon movies 80s-90s. (old men in LW4)
Die Hard movies 80s-90s-00s

John Mcclane wins again.

And no one wants to single you out.

Single your faulty tactics in debate....?
Sure. But not you personally.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're so full of shit, you know exactly what you said in the other thread and the tactics you tried to employ.

btw, 47's "expert in all forms of combat" would counter anything Swagger had, if we used the reasoning you're trying with Riggs here. Nice self "ownage".

Holy butt****ing hell, this crap again? Bruce Lee has no fight record, it's all ****ing hearsay. Ali is regarded as one of the greatest boxers of all time, arguably the best. He has a time tested record to back this up. Lee has Enter the Dragon, which is a great film, but it's a film. Do you think Van Damme is also a world-class fighter?

If it went to the ground, Lee being all of 130 lbs would we struggling with a 200+ pound Ali of considerable strength. It doesn't take a genius to realize that's also another disadvantage for Lee.

edit: another thing, Lee would have a hard time trying to take a man twice his size to the ground while avoiding a right hook that has shown to be able to knock out heavy weight fighters.

Yeah sure, blah blah blah, more of your usual bullshit.

And now you are dragging past arguments into a thread when you are getting your ass handed to you. You are out of gas, aincha? You are one of those "The bigger guy aways wins!!" idiots, arent you? And you obviously know nothing of Lee, and NOW your crutch is "All the talk about Lee is heresay!!!" 🙄

Riggs owns McClaine, you know it and I know it. It's OK to admit it, you know.

BOTTOM LIME: Onscreen H2H fights, ONE ON ONE H2H fights, the H2H part only, who has a better record? RIGGS.

Oh yeah thats some pwnage. I even have the receipt.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

WTF are you talking about? You must have misunderstood me in some way, quote what I said that implied this and I will clear the air.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You asked me to Quote you saying that...?

Oooops there I did.

When I said that in the Die Hard universe Lethal weapon was a movie.

THATS WHEN YOU SAID and I Quote "AND VICE VERSA".

You are proven again to be a liar.

As for the do your reseach bullshit. I suggest that you read the post you responded to. You'll find that it has F**K ALL to do with your responding post.
I was addressing how many decades the likking sprees spanned:

Lethal weapon movies 80s-90s. (old men in LW4)
Die Hard movies 80s-90s-00s

John Mcclane wins again.

And no one wants to single you out.

Single your faulty tactics in debate....?
Sure. But not you personally.

I merely said LW was around before DH, hence Riggs has been kicking ass longer than McClaine. And because they made DH4 in 07, McClaine is suddenly so much more experienced? Get a grip. Oh wait, you do have a grip, on your crutch.

I never lied, when did I lie? haermm Get your head out of your ass and talk like an adult, please.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Riggs helper was still there as a constant.

A few bad guys on his own.
Mcclane killed way more on his own.

Name me the deaths that Zeus was responsible for.
I think you'll find that Murtaugh wins on the kills score.

As for the fact that Riggs can be away from his Cop partner, basically you might not watch your TV all day, but you still have one.

Diversion Diversion Diversion.

"In the Lethal Weapon" universe, since the acronyms in use all the way throughout this thread have suddenly become hard to understand for you....

Diversion, as I say.

I just proved you did. Stop pwning yourself further, proven liar.

You lied when you said you didnt say what Ive just proved you said.

Originally posted by Sado22
IIRC the only time Martaugh saved Rigg's life was in LW4 against Jet Li. the funny thing is though that the worst bumps that Riggs took were with Martaugh right there but still failing to get his back (Lw2 when the dude emptied the whole f'ing clip on Riggs for example). Martaugh always had his own agendas in the movies and he was more the second hero than the sidekick. also, Riggs' villains weren't conceited schmuks who liked to toy with their prey. neither laurna nor Martaugh saved Riggs' bailed Riggs out from certain death at any point (except an old riggs against Jet li). Riggs literally took out the entire base of the badguys ON HIS OWN in LW1 and LW2. there is no scene in LW series where Riggs' couldnt' have survived without Martaugh or anyone else. heck, Riggs was originally supposed to die at the end of LW2 because martaugh didn't have his back when he got shot. in the novel he actually dies.

the cop friend of McClane saved his life and his wife's life in the end of DH1. Zeus literally dragged McClane's ass out of the fire at that harlem scene. then it was Zeus who helped with their untying which ALSO would've ended in McClane being charblasted outta the world. and the computer geek was somebody who filled in mcclane with all the tech knowledge you can think of cuz there is NO WAY mcclane would've been able to figure everything out on his own cuz he knew next to nothing about computers. i don't remember DH2, but McClane probably had his ass saved there too. face it, boys and girls, McClane's been VERY lucky in all his hero cop charade.

~Sado

But the McClaine knob polishers will say "NUH UH YOU POOHEAD!!!", or "McClaine killed more people!!!" haermm They are dense enough to think body counts actually mean something.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Murtaugh was AROUND, thats all. He spent all his time bitching how Riggs was crazy.

You and your ****ing body counts. You really are one dimensional, you know that? I bet you get that alot in life, dont you?

CRUTCH.

As is the case in BUDDY MOVIES.
And helping Riggs fight the bad guys, of course.

Yes. Track records, figures, and facts all backing up the McClane argument. Yes how tiresome.

And no, RJ, because Im not you. So stop projecting your problems onto me, thank you.

As I say there is no bigger crutch than Murtaugh for Riggs.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Diversion Diversion Diversion.

"In the Lethal Weapon" universe, since the acronyms in use all the way throughout this thread have suddenly become hard to understand for you....

Diversion, as I say.

I just proved you did. Stop pwning yourself further, proven liar.

You lied when you said you didnt say what Ive just proved you said.

You could have worded it properly. Example: "The DH movies, part 1 through 4, they run over a longer time period than LW 1 through 4."

8 years difference. Big deal.

BTW, genius.....

Farrell: "You done that kind if stuff before?"
McClaine: What kind of stuff?"
Farrell: "Killing people."

Get ready for it....hold your breath........ready?

McClaine: "NOT FOR A LONG TIME........."

McClaine spent a shitload of years doing regular cop shit, not kicking ass. Thats the time differential.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Indeed. ALL luck.....McClaine=Luck, Riggs=Skill. End of story.

But the McClaine knob polishers will say "NUH UH YOU POOHEAD!!!", or "McClaine killed more people!!!" haermm They are dense enough to think body counts actually mean something.

Rubbish.

All the luck in the world wouldnt help purely by itself.
McClane is lucky only after he has done everything he can to further his own postion itself so pure luck on its own wouldnt do it.

And stop again, projecting.

You are the one with those tendancies as we can see in your posting.

They do.
Who do you bet on the Football team with the nice big fat score record, or the team who only did half as well...?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, I said you must have misunderstood me, that's all. LW and DH I got, but the rest.......

You could have worded it properly. Example: "The DH movies, part 1 through 4, they run over a longer time period than LW 1 through 4."

8 years difference. Big deal.

BTW, genius.....

Farrell: "You done that kind if stuff before?"
McClaine: What kind of stuff?"
Farrell: "Killing people."

Get ready for it....hold your breath........ready?

McClaine: "NOT FOR A LONG TIME........."

McClaine spent a shitload of years doing regular cop shit, not kicking ass. Thats the time differential.

Shit... that could be only 5 years.

But again diversion from the fact that McClane STILL did what he did at his age, where as where are Riggs and Murtaugh...?

Oh. They havent done anything in since the mid nineties cause they were too old..back then! Let alone now. 🙄

And your last 'point': Pure assumption on your part.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
As is the case in BUDDY MOVIES.
And helping Riggs fight the bad guys, of course.

Yes. Track records, figures, and facts all backing up the McClane argument. Yes how tiresome.

And no, RJ, because Im not you. So stop projecting your problems onto me, thank you.

As I say there is no bigger crutch than Murtaugh for Riggs.

Where was he when Riggs chased down Joshua?

He was only WATCHING as Riggs pwned Joshua.

When Riggs almost single handedly took out the entire crew of the Alba Varden, Murtaugh was off exploring, taking out maybe two?

In LW 3, where was Murtaugh when Riggs was out kicking ass non stop? that's right, hanging around, worrying about selling his house, arguing with Leo Getz.

In LW4, where was Murtaugh when Riggs killed Jet Li? Knocked out.

If anything, Murtaugh was a distraction for Riggs more than anything else.

Here's a fact....Place McClaine as Murtaugh's crazy partner in LW 1, and he would have been killed by Joshua.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Shit... that could be only 5 years.

But again diversion from the fact that McClane STILL did what he did at his age, where as where are Riggs and Murtaugh...?

Oh. They havent done anything in since the mid nineties cause they were too old..back then! Let alone now. 🙄

And your last 'point': Pure assumption on your part.

McClaine's age versus Riggs age in the last of their movies. How old were they, respectively?

I didnt say the door didnt swing both ways...? Did I...?
Of course in a Buddy cop film it has to be.

So..? If Joshua had killed Riggs, he'd have been shot.

Yes...? Weren't they still partners...? Did Murtaugh not kill people in the rest of that movie then...? Besides: He was dealing with the Darryl issue too.

Rubbish. Riggs'd probably have topped himself, judging from LW1.

Irrelevant. Or at least not as relevant as where he was at the opening credits. Victorious with the help of his buddy.

Live Free or Die Hard (2007)

Die Hard: With a Vengeance (1995)

McClaine spent 12 years doing nothing.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am pretty sure it's eight years, I did the math twice.

McClaine's age versus Riggs age in the last of their movies. How old were they, respectively?

Ok. Fair enough.

It doesnt matter so much as what McClane is still doing at their age now.
And McClane being around that same age wasnt beaten by a rookie cop.
We saw in that Riggs had not much in the tank, then.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Live Free or Die Hard (2007)

Die Hard: With a Vengeance (1995)

McClaine spent 12 years doing nothing.

So YOU say. He was a lieutenant in DH3 And did enough good stuff to be promoted to detective over the years.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I didnt say the door didnt swing both ways...? Did I...?
Of course in a Buddy cop film it has to be.

So..? If Joshua had killed Riggs, he'd have been shot.

Yes...? Weren't they still partners...? Did Murtaugh not kill people in the rest of that movie then...? Besides: He was dealing with the Darryl issue too.

Rubbish. Riggs'd probably have topped himself, judging from LW1.

Irrelevant. Or at least not as revevant as where he was at the opening credits. Victorious with the help of his buddy.