Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But it didn't. See how that works? And the fact that he fought and killed a man while having a frigging bayonet in his leg?
Of course I see how it works, I was just explaining it to you:
Movie. Logic.
Actually one of things about DH (1) at least was its comparitive plausibilty over Lethal Weapon and other cliched generic cop buddy movies. (Nicely lampooned in the Tiernan-directed "Last action hero".)
Thats why it worked as a breath of fresh air.
McClane was more interesting because he wasn't a predictable supercop. He was a human being having to pull these near super human feats out of the bag sometimes by luck.
😂
from the looks of it McClane simply wins. Riggs could've killed McClane 1000 times in 10 minutes given that he's the better fighter and shooter but this is what happened:
-just as riggs was about to shoot mcclane point blank, Superboy Prime punched the barriers of reality and instead of Riggs pointing the gun at McClane, it became the other way around.
-just as Riggs was about to shoot mcclane point blank, he got a boner for absolutely no reason. John took advantage of the distraction and won.
-just as riggs was about to shoot mcclane point blank, his cell phone rang and John took advantage of the distraction and won.
-just as riggs was about to shoot mcclane point blank, riggs remembered a joke he was told in grade 6 and burst out laughing. John took advantage of the situation and won.
-just as riggs was about to shoot mcclane, a vortex opened and terminator came outta no where, shot riggs and said "John McClane, i've been sent from the future to save you".
..........list goes on. basically the McClane supporters are right: it doesn't matter if Riggs is the better shot or the better h2h fighter, John always gets lucky and he will again here. hence John shitstomps 10/10 in both scenarios. also, since he had glass in his feat it puts him on SuperSaiyan level 😆
~Sado
Now your getting it. 😛
Seriously (as serious as this thread can get at least) though, "Better fighter"? I judge movie warriors on their body count as well as how much they survived..
Riggs'd have to split his smaller-than-McClane's-pile with Murtaugh for starters.
But yes the luck that you describe is definitely McClanian in proportion.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I missed the part where Riggs is immortal.
Not immortal. Just cliched.
(And the action cop cliche is that he is nearly immortal...
The wife is usually dead.
The whole buddy cop thing of Young rookie versus Older "Im too old for this shit" attitude veteran of service.
The car chases.
The angry boss who always shouts at his cops giving them just 24 or 48 hrs to crack the case cause the D.A.'ll have the Sarge's ass.
The 70s-esque blues guitar soundtrack.
L.A as a backdrop.
And many more, Im sure.
well, you wanna talk about police cliches then look at McClane:
-troubled marriage/separated/divorced (john has all three)
-practically zero social life
-smokes
-drinks
-a "bad" cop
-reluctant hero
-bad attitude but a good person at heart
-has no friends
-has a bad relationship with his boss
-keeps having black people as sidekicks
-LA as back drop AND New York as back drop
-troubled relationship with children (if old enough)
-smartass one liners
-one man takes down entire armies
-bullets never hit him......at least not in vital areas
Seriously (as serious as this thread can get at least) though, "Better fighter"? I judge movie warriors on their body count as well as how much they survived
~Sado
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not immortal. Just cliched.(And the action cop cliche is that he is nearly immortal...
The wife is usually dead.
The whole buddy cop thing of Young rookie versus Older "Im too old for this shit" attitude veteran of service.
The car chases.
The angry boss who always shouts at his cops giving them just 24 or 48 hrs to crack the case cause the D.A.'ll have the Sarge's ass.
The 70s-esque blues guitar soundtrack.
L.A as a backdrop.
And many more, Im sure.
Hahhaha, true on all points.
Edit: There's a saying, 'you're only as powerful as your greatest enemies' (or something like that). McClane takes on criminal masterminds and wins.
Who does Riggs face-off against? Chumps.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthMhm...Mhmmmm.....And he is still far superior to McLaine in every way.
Not immortal. Just cliched.(And the action cop cliche is that he is nearly immortal...
The wife is usually dead.
The whole buddy cop thing of Young rookie versus Older "Im too old for this shit" attitude veteran of service.
The car chases.
The angry boss who always shouts at his cops giving them just 24 or 48 hrs to crack the case cause the D.A.'ll have the Sarge's ass.
The 70s-esque blues guitar soundtrack.
L.A as a backdrop.
And many more, Im sure.
Originally posted by RobtardIt's not like he outsmarts them, he pretty much lucks his way through everything. And we are talking about a one on one battle here, who is the bigger badass will decide the winner.
WRONG. See my post above, Hans would have easily outsmarted Riggs and his side-kick.
Bigger Badass=RIGGS.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's not like he outsmarts them, he pretty much lucks his way through everything. And we are talking about a one on one battle here, who is the bigger badass will decide the winner.Bigger Badass=RIGGS.
Ridiculous luck is an asset.
It's been shown that McClane's badassery is levels above anything Riggs has done, ignoring it won't change the facts. Taking out an airborne chopper with a Crown Victoria is as badass as it comes.
Originally posted by RobtardBut that doesnt relate to this fight. Riggs is not in a chopper, and McLaine is not in a Crown Vic.
Ridiculous luck is an asset.It's been shown that McClane's badassery is levels above anything Riggs has done, ignoring it won't change the facts. Taking out an airborne chopper with a Crown Victoria is as badass as it comes.
It is a gunfight/hand to hand combat fight. Riggs is better with a pistol than McLaine, there is no questioning that. And hand to hand, come on, do we really need to go over the times McLaine got pwned one on one by a trained martial artist? By a GIRL?
Originally posted by Robtard
Hahhaha, true on all points.Edit: There's a saying, 'you're only as powerful as your greatest enemies' (or something like that). McClane takes on criminal masterminds and wins.
Who does Riggs face-off against? Chumps.
QFT... Even Riggs called Shadow company a bunch of pussies.
The South African were stupid enough to live in a stilted house and made the classic "We killed your wife" cliched-taunt mistake. 😛
The bent copper in 3 wasnt shit. And he should have known that they'd at least possibly have the surveilance on those rooms, especially with "Infernal affairs" sniffing about.
Jet Li and his posse, while good at slave trading, would have been beaten in mental combat by Karl in Die Hard. Let alone the genius that was either Gruber brother.
As a side note, the crossovers continue...
In addition to the shared Michael Kamen scorage and the actress Cheryl Baker being in both LW1 and DH1(Amanda Hunsaker's freind in the video Roger is watching in LW and in DH she was the blonde running upto and jumping on her fella at the airport..."Ahhhhhh.....Califorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrniaaaaaaaaaaa"😉, (and the same for the Girl Newscaster who was in DH... -She was the councillor in LW-)
In the scene in DH3 where the vaults are being raided, the sceurity guard appears to get a call from one of LW2's South Africans telling him to "Relax mate and you might live through this..."
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But that doesnt relate to this fight. Riggs is not in a chopper, and McLaine is not in a Crown Vic.It is a gunfight/hand to hand combat fight. Riggs is better with a pistol than McLaine, there is no questioning that. And hand to hand, come on, do we really need to go over the times McLaine got pwned one on one by a trained martial artist? By a GIRL?
She being dead and him being alive...?
Some would argue that she got owned.
Riggs also was Pwned too and needed Roger to come running.
That girl was a faster opponent than Riggs.
And she was picking bumper and headlights out out her bottom afterwards.
In a gun battle it'd be a case of who got there first and McClane could get the drop on Riggs. Its possible.
And if Riggs couldnt do Jet li's character, he has no chance against the legendary durabilty of McClane.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
QFT... Even Riggs called Shadow company a bunch of pussies.The South African were stupid enough to live in a stilted house and made the classic "We killed your wife" cliched-taunt mistake. 😛
The bent copper in 3 wasnt shit. And he should have known that they'd at least possibly have the surveilance on those rooms, especially with "Infernal affairs" sniffing about.
Jet Li and his posse, while good at slave trading, would have been beaten in mental combat by Karl in Die Hard. Let alone the genius that was either Gruber brother.
As a side note, the crossovers continue...
In addition to the shared Michael Kamen scorage and the actress Cheryl Baker being in both LW1 and DH1(Amanda Hunsaker's freind in the video Roger is watching in LW and in DH she was the blonde running upto and jumping on her fella at the airport..."Ahhhhhh.....Califorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrniaaaaaaaaaaa"😉, (and the same for the Girl Newscaster who was in DH... -She was the councillor in LW-)In the scene in DH3 where the vaults are being raided, the sceurity guard appears to get a call from one of LW2's South Africans telling him to "Relax mate and you might live through this..."
Riggs calling Shadow company a bunch of pussies is like Ahnuld, in "Commando", saying "I eat green Berets for breakfast." He is just saying that he could own them at any time, it doesnt make them pussies, it means he is that much more badass than they are 🙄 . Plus he was trying to get a rise outta the dude who had him at gunpoint.
And this whole "criminal mastermind" bullshit is just that, bullshit. Riggs is facing McLaine one on one, not with a group of terrorists. Being to luck ones way through a battle with a "criminal mastermind" has no bearing here.
McLaines one on one battles:
DH1: Karl McLaine got the piss beat outta him before he finally got lucky with the chain.
DH2: He barely beat the father from good times, and got PWNED by the Colonel, who wasnt half the fighter Riggs is.
DH3: I cant remember.... 😕
DH4: Maggie Q OWNS his ass, as does the human squirrel who was frozen then crushed after once again, mcLaine got LUCKY.
So yeah, McLaine may be good H2H for an average Joe, but Riggs is far from an average Joe, innit he?