Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Exactly.Sideous would never pu tall of his eggs in one basket. Not even two baskets. Minus Yoda and arguably Mace, no one in the Jedi Order was strong enough to take down Dooku, and the Clones still under Sideous' control. Dooku could have easily done everything Anakin did with an army of clones at his backing.
People are talking about the part of Sidious' plan that was easily recoverable: Anakin failing to kill Dooku for instance. What about the part that would have been potentially fatal for Sidious? You know, the part where Anakin betrays Mace? If Anakin had sided with his consciense there, Palpy would have been screwed.
Originally posted by AllanklesYes, but then there's the argument that Palpatine did not intend for Mace to put him in such a potentially fatal situation.
People are talking about the part of Sidious' plan that was easily recoverable: Anakin failing to kill Dooku for instance. What about the part that would have been potentially fatal for Sidious? You know, the part where Anakin betrays Mace? If Anakin had sided with his consciense there, Palpy would have been screwed.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yes, but then there's the argument that Palpatine did not intend for Mace to put him in such a potentially fatal situation.
Precisely which further re-enforces the fact that Anakin's involvement played a huge part in his success, both in his role as inspirational figure head and war hero during the conflict and his betrayal of Mace which allowed for the CIS and temple Jedi to be eliminated at an ideal moment helping open up the smooth transition of Republic to Empire.
Originally posted by AllanklesDoubtless Anakin was extraordinarily useful to Palpatine, moreso than Dooku I reckon. But should Anakin have failed to kill Dooku, Palpatine of all people will have a back-up plan for just such a situation. As it is, he did, but didn't need to use it.
Precisely which further re-enforces the fact that Anakin's involvement played a huge part in his success, both in his role as inspirational figure head and war hero during the conflict and his betrayal of Mace which allowed for the CIS and temple Jedi to be eliminated at an ideal moment helping open up the smooth transition of Republic to Empire.
Originally posted by Publius II
The rest may not be, but this is certainly correct. It was my never my contention that if Palpatine couldn't have Anakin, he would still be unwilling to lose him. That would be why he decided to destroy Luke, as you pointed out.
Which was the entire point of what I said, Faunus. Palpatine tested Dooku against Anakin to see if Anakin displayed the ability and willingness to use the dark side. If he didn't, then as he tells Anakin in RoDV, Dooku would be Sidious's ***** for the next two decades.
Originally posted by GideonI thought you meant that had Dooku bested Anakin in their confrontation aboard the Invisible Hand, Palpatine would've had Anakin killed. My mistake.
Which was the entire point of what I said, Faunus. Palpatine tested Dooku against Anakin to see if Anakin displayed the ability and willingness to use the dark side. If he didn't, then as he tells Anakin in RoDV, Dooku would be Sidious's ***** for the next two decades.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Doubtless Anakin was extraordinarily useful to Palpatine, moreso than Dooku I reckon. But should Anakin have failed to kill Dooku, Palpatine of all people will have a back-up plan for just such a situation. As it is, he did, but didn't need to use it.
By: "failed to kill Dooku", do you mean Anakin sparing his life or Dooku winning the battle?
Originally posted by AllanklesAt first I meant being killed by Dooku. But now I wonder what Palpatine would have done had Anakin spared him. Not being able to play on Anakin's guilt towards executing Dooku would be a damper on Palp's plan.
By: "failed to kill Dooku", do you mean Anakin sparing his life or Dooku winning the battle?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Seriously though, if he didn't do it. Had Obi-Wan not been knocked out, what would he have said or done in reaction to what Palpatine demanded? Stopped Anakin by force, by reason? Sat back and sipped iced tea?
Dooku would have played a factor there, how would he have reacted to Palpy reneging on his word? It just goes to show no matter how much you do schemes of this magnitude always have big, dangling loose ends.
Originally posted by Gideon
Or, worst case scenario, he'd have hopped out of that chair and stomped the holy expletive out of all three of them.
😂 That would have been something to see but Anakin would have been a dangerous opponent to face in that moment, he seemed to be quite balanced unlike in his fight with Obi Wan.