Hand Book for defeating Apoc!!!!!

Originally posted by Hitman911
That because he jobs....This in No Jobbing...Poc.....the way he should be!!

Originally posted by Hitman911
That because he jobs....This in No Jobbing...Poc.....the way he should be!!

As far as I'm concerned the only time Apoc has ever jobbed was when he dodged the table. All the other times it's just him not being as powerful as his fanboys would like to believe he is.

He doesn't really have that many bad showings tbh, it's just he also doesn't have the good showings that would justify people trying to place him at HH or above.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No Jobbing Apocalypse isn't a real character with debatable powers or feats anymore than is Infinite Rage Hulk or FP Galactus.

As far as I'm concerned the only time Apoc has ever jobbed was when he dodged the table. All the other times it's just him not being as powerful as his fanboys would like to believe he is.

He doesn't really have that many bad showings tbh, it's just he also doesn't have the good showings that would justify people trying to place him at HH or above.

able to manipulate his atomic structure, can grow to Godzilla size, etc

Originally posted by Starscream M
by his powerset, he is quite godly

able to manipulate his atomic structure, can grow to Godzilla size, etc

Nothing about his implied power set puts him on the same level as guys like Surfer, Thor, or Superman let alone above them.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Neither of which are that impressive. Fun fact: a recent Deathstroke comic implied that Slade also has control of his molecular structure.

Nothing about his implied power set puts him on the same level as guys like Surfer, Thor, or Superman let alone above them.

also implied is very different from demonstrated (read: worthless)

Originally posted by Starscream M
how is molecular manipulation not impressive? you'd have to be crazy to think that

also implied is very different from demonstrated (read: worthless)

You were the one who brought up Apoc's "power set" as if it was worth anything. I'm saying based on feats there's nothing to suggest Apoc is HH or higher. Hell even his implied powers wouldn't make him High Herald.

Originally posted by Starscream M
how is molecular manipulation not impressive? you'd have to be crazy to think that

also implied is very different from demonstrated (read: worthless)

agreed^ and people need to stop hyping his celestail tech, because with every incarnation it seems to downgrade its abilities

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Because it's just a fancy way of saying shape-shifting since he can only change himself, and not even as well as a guy like Metamorpho who's High Meta. Molecular manipulation refers to transmutative abilities on objects that aren't part of your body.

You were the one who brought up Apoc's "power set" as if it was worth anything. I'm saying based on feats there's nothing to suggest Apoc is HH or higher. Hell even his implied powers wouldn't make him High Herald.

Originally posted by Starscream M
and you're dismissing his ability to grow 100x...change his arms into various weapons....heal physical wounds instantly. 😬

Giant Man has greater growing feats. Wolverine has better HF feats.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
None of which are abilities above the scope of a high or mid meta.

many powers in and of themselves aren't above the scope of a high or mid meta

but viewed holistically, they do present a powerful platform that I believe gives Apoc legitimacy to claim high herald status

Originally posted by Starscream M
that's not really a judgment call you can make

many powers in and of themselves aren't above the scope of a high or mid meta

but viewed holistically, they do present a powerful platform that I believe gives Apoc legitimacy to claim high herald status

Lol.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes it is. Looking at Apoc's powerset he has nothing that would impress anyone like Superman, Thor, or Surfer. Looking at his actual feats (or lack thereof) he's even less impressive.

Lol.

and none of those three would scoff at her.

also, he's like giganta with self molecular control. that is quite a threat to even superman.

Originally posted by Starscream M
apocs powerset is more impressive than that of wonder woman

and none of those three would scoff at her.

also, he's like giganta with self molecular control. that is quite a threat to even superman.

A shape shifting Giganta would just leave a more interestingly shaped crater when Superman lays her out. Same for Apoc.

Poccy is a low herald. His role in the x-man mythos is supposed to be of a vague and terible menace that requires enormous collective effort and heroic sacrifices to stave off after a long epic battle, but in truth he just painly sucks. Death Gambit threatened to kill him and he stood down

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No it isn't. Wonder Woman has superior strength, speed, high level MA skill, bracers that can tank HH+ level attacks with ease, and a lasso that can effect Skyfathers.

A shape shifting Giganta would just leave a more interestingly shaped crater when Superman lays her out. Same for Apoc.

plus he has energy projection as well and can also increase the density of his body

also, he's actually better than giganta as there are no known limits to his size growth...so he could grow larger than giganta

Originally posted by Starscream M
apoc's strength is up there...he has fought the hulk before (who is far stronger than Wondy)

plus he has energy projection as well and can also increase the density of his body

also, he's actually better than giganta as there are no known limits to his size growth...so he could grow larger than giganta

There are no known limits? No limits fallacy much? What's the largest he's grown on panel?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Context. He proved that his arms were stronger than a base level Hulk's (who couldn't rage amp) neck muscles. Wonder Woman would have done the same damn thing to Hulk given that scenario.

There are no known limits? No limits fallacy much? What's the largest he's grown on panel?

also, neck muscles are some of the most powerful muscles on the body....I could prob curl more with my neck than my arm.

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Im not saying he can grow infinite...but he could grow far bigger than giganta and make superman look not like a mouse but like a ant

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No Jobbing Apocalypse isn't a real character with debatable powers or feats anymore than is Infinite Rage Hulk or FP Galactus.

As far as I'm concerned the only time Apoc has ever jobbed was when he dodged the table. All the other times it's just him not being as powerful as his fanboys would like to believe he is.

He doesn't really have that many bad showings tbh, it's just he also doesn't have the good showings that would justify people trying to place him at HH or above.

he doesn't job in fights as he has a pretty decent win-lose record. his jobbing shows itself in his schemes and plans. as you probably know he's never been successful in that regard against heroes. heck, he prepped for the twelve for years and he still couldn't achieve his goal even though he had them mutants all locked up. he has the brains, he has the powers, he has the tech, he just doesn't have the character.

and that's why my good sir, apocalypse the eternal mutant is a bum!

Originally posted by SuperMan103
he doesn't job in fights as he has a pretty decent win-lose record. his jobbing shows itself in his schemes and plans. as you probably know he's never been successful in that regard against heroes. heck, he prepped for the twelve for years and he still couldn't achieve his goal even though he had them mutants all locked up. he has the brains, he has the powers, he has the tech, he just doesn't have the character.

and that's why my good sir, apocalypse the eternal mutant is a bum!

darkseid fails, joker fails, Dr.Doom fails, lex luthor fails.