Ion.
Ion, at his peak, is a peer of The Spectre himself. And The Spectre alone would pwn the IG.
The conversation between Hal Jordan Spectre and Kyle Rayner Ion is proof of this. He can undo what was done, and has his own will, even out of God's command, unlike Spectre. (This was the retcon of Hal back to an average GL)
Yes, Ion at his peak stomps.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Spectre ain't coming anywhere near pwning the IG and neither is Ion.IG wins without trouble.
facepalm Skeets is going to eat you alive for saying that.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Ion.Ion, at his peak, is a peer of The Spectre himself. And The Spectre alone would pwn the IG.
The conversation between Hal Jordan Spectre and Kyle Rayner Ion is proof of this. He can undo what was done, and has his own will, even out of God's command, unlike Spectre. (This was the retcon of Hal back to an average GL)
Yes, Ion at his peak stomps.
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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
facepalm Skeets is going to eat you alive for saying that.
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IG in a stompfest all over Ion 😐
Infinite vs Infinite. Sounds like a stalemate to me.
3 things though, both Thanos and Kyle took a bit of time adjusting to their newfound godhood.
2nd thing is, Thanos subconsciously doesn't feel worthy of that power and will lose. If Warlock can hide from him, Ion can certainly mask himself as well.
3rd is that little loophole with the IG that Thanos suffered. He became eternity and thus lost the IG. Ion wouldn't have that problem. In fact, ION never lost anything. He simply gave his power up because he felt it was a greater good.
If Thanos "losing mentality" is in effect (and it should be since it's part of his character in that storyline) then ION wins. Power for power though, it should be a stalemate.
In terms of actual feats, Ion really didn't do much that would lead me to believe he was > the IG. He speachified to Spectre about what he could do, but that's about it. However, we should technically be able to use feats from ZH-Parallax, considering Ion had the exact same powerset (ie. the cumulative power of the Central Battery,) and much more.
And if that's the case... Toss a coin. ermm
Originally posted by AvlonThanos losing the gauntlet because he did'nt feel worthy was a lame plot device.seeing as the only one who could stop him was the living tribunal and he made it clear he wasnt going to get involved in the matter,meaning therefore nobody else could stop him.
Infinite vs Infinite. Sounds like a stalemate to me.3 things though, both Thanos and Kyle took a bit of time adjusting to their newfound godhood.
2nd thing is, Thanos subconsciously doesn't feel worthy of that power and will lose. If Warlock can hide from him, Ion can certainly mask himself as well.
3rd is that little loophole with the IG that Thanos suffered. He became eternity and thus lost the IG. Ion wouldn't have that problem. In fact, ION never lost anything. He simply gave his power up because he felt it was a greater good.
If Thanos "losing mentality" is in effect (and it should be since it's part of his character in that storyline) then ION wins. Power for power though, it should be a stalemate.
thanos took a blast from Io Two Celestials, Chronos, Lord Order, Master Chaos, Galactus, Stranger, Eon, Mistress Love, Sire Hate, Mephisto, Mistress Death, Eternity and the In-Betweener combined, giving everything they had in to it,i dont see ion doing the same poweroutage as that and thanos still beat them
Originally posted by Nihilist
Thanos losing the gauntlet because he did'nt feel worthy was a lame plot device.
It's an integral part of his character...especially in that time frame.
Originally posted by Nihilist
seeing as the only one who could stop him was the living tribunal and he made it clear he wasnt going to get involved in the matter,meaning therefore nobody else could stop him.
Becoming eternity left him void of the gauntlet completely. He had to go back to his physical body to try and regain it. That is a pretty bad loophole...at least in that storyline.
Either way, with CIS on...Thanos suffers from those issues.
Ion had no such problem and the same amount of power.
Originally posted by Avlonsorry gotta disagree it was a plot device imho.
It's an integral part of his character...especially in that time frame.Becoming eternity left him void of the gauntlet completely. He had to go back to his physical body to try and regain it. That is a pretty bad loophole...at least in that storyline.
Either way, with CIS on...Thanos suffers from those issues.
Ion had no such problem and the same amount of power.
he not going to be eternity in a forum fight as he only took eternity place,he objective is battling ion with the ig itself not attempting to replace him,if you get me so to speak.
also with no pis/fighting at full capacity, wouldnt that kind rule out cis in effect
Originally posted by Nihilist
sorry gotta disagree it was a plot device imho.
No, his self doubt is CIS and thus part of his character.
Originally posted by Nihilist
he not going to be eternity in a forum fight as he only took eternity place,he objective is battling ion with the ig itself not attempting to replace him,if you get me so to speak.
Never said ION was eternity either, but noting an interesting observation. Thanos left his body and lost the power of the IG.
Originally posted by Nihilist
also with no pis/fighting at full capacity, wouldnt that kind rule out cis in effect
With no PIS Thanos will have full knowledge of his powers, and so will Kyle. CIS is still Thanos issue though.
Originally posted by Avlon
Infinite vs Infinite. Sounds like a stalemate to me.
Except Ion's power was not infinite. He says as much in a narration panel (GL 150, I posted the scan in the Ion vs. Abstracts thread), AFTER he has the power for roughly a week. He would know.
The other two times anything similar is mentioned are before Kyle possesses the full Ion force. Narration mentions it being the 'proverbial hand of God' and a Qwardian mentioned that the Ion force would make Nero omnipotent.
With regard to the first, let's look at the word 'proverbial' - which means like/similar to...it's a metaphor. Hyperbole.
With regard to the second, this Qwardian never possessed the Ion force, never felt the full power of the Ion force, and isn't even from the same universe where the power originates.
Kyle claims the power is 'nearly unlimited.' This after HE is actually wielding it for over a week. And only backs up what Highfather says regarding the Godwave and the Oan Battery in Genesis. Who is the more credible source?
Originally posted by Avlon
3 things though, both Thanos and Kyle took a bit of time adjusting to their newfound godhood.
Except Kyle wasn't even close to being omniscient and Thanos was. And Thanos was able to defeat decisively every major abstract in the MU under the LT with his power. Kyle was still learning - taking a few days time to learn how to read the surface of peoples minds.
Originally posted by Avlon
2nd thing is, Thanos subconsciously doesn't feel worthy of that power and will lose. If Warlock can hide from him, Ion can certainly mask himself as well.
1) Thanos won his fights. He self-destructed afterwards. This is a fight.
2) Warlock hid from him in Marvel: The End, not the Infinity Gauntlet saga.
Originally posted by Avlon
3rd is that little loophole with the IG that Thanos suffered. He became eternity and thus lost the IG.
Thanos rid himself of his mortal body because he saw it as a vulnerability. He can step back into it at any time. It again has no bearing on this battle.
Originally posted by Galan007
However, we should technically be able to use feats from ZH-Parallax, considering Ion had the exact same powerset (ie. the cumulative power of the Central Battery,) and much more.
I beg to differ, good sir. 😛 ZH Parallax not only had the entire Central Battery but also was absorbing large amounts of chronal and entropic energies. In other words, he was amped.