Originally posted by Raoul
while i think superman is physically > DS (and most people), there's still the OE at full power.
I think Darkseid is physically stronger. I mean, Superman has never one-hand pimpslapped Darkseid off his feat. DS on the other hand...
But speed and durability and virtually any other stat that matter, goes to Kal.
And when you can outrace the OE, there's really no need to fear it.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I think Darkseid is physically stronger. I mean, Superman has never one-hand pimpslapped Darkseid off his feat. DS on the other hand...
being stronger doesn't automatically allow the ability to one shot someone. diana can knock kal around easily enough, but he's generally considered to be stronger.
And when you can outrace the OE, there's really no need to fear it.
i'm talking about the one that erases from existence/brings back the dead, and so on...
Originally posted by Raoul
being stronger doesn't automatically allow the ability to one shot someone. diana can knock kal around easily enough, but he's generally considered to be stronger.
Being stronger generally translates to striking power. Which would entail knocking someone off their feet easily. Thanos pimpslaps Hulk and Drax off their feet. DS pimpslaps Superman off his feat. Its pretty effortless. To me it shows they're stronger than the people they're facing, even though the people they're facing have superior lifting feats.
Originally posted by Raoul
i'm talking about the one that erases from existence/brings back the dead, and so on...
Yeah but Supes is virtually immune to that, right?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Being stronger generally translates to striking power. Which would entail knocking someone off their feet easily. Thanos pimpslaps Hulk and Drax off their feet. DS pimpslaps Superman off his feat. Its pretty effortless. To me it shows they're stronger than the people they're facing, even though the people they're facing have superior lifting feats.
and how many people knock superman off his feet in one shot? konvict, dakrseid, doomsday, wonder woman, orion, at least one green lantern, the list goes on...
i'm not saying superman is a whole level above ds strength wise, but at the very least i'm saying they're equal...
Yeah but Supes is virtually immune to that, right?
not sure, tbh.
Originally posted by Raoul
and how many people knock superman off his feet in one shot? konvict, dakrseid, doomsday, wonder woman, orion, at least one green lantern, the list goes on...i'm not saying superman is a whole level above ds strength wise, but at the very least i'm saying they're equal...
I think they're about equal, with DS getting the edge. Konvikt, DS, and DD are all a bit stronger than Supes, imo, tbh.
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Originally posted by Eel O'BrienSuperman SHOULD be stronger than Thor, with the T-God being second behind supes like he is HULK, but thor should have the majority against either one because of the mystic enegies he can produce. he definitely should be able to vaporize hulk easier but he get caught up in a pride thing with hulk over physical strenght.
I don't think Konvikt is stronger. He took down Superman in the opening shot during Trinity, but that's just how Busiek likes to build suspense.He had Thor do the same thing to Superman during JLA/Avengers and then went on to write Supes as stronger.
Originally posted by EnyalusThat was eons ago. When they battle nowadays it seems the only way Darkseid seems to have an advantage is by using his omega beams.
I think Darkseid is physically stronger. I mean, Superman has never one-hand pimpslapped Darkseid off his feat. DS on the other hand...But speed and durability and virtually any other stat that matter, goes to Kal.
And when you can outrace the OE, there's really no need to fear it.
Very close competitive fight but to me it's simple..
Thanos = DS
Superman >= Thor
DS >= Superman
Thanos > Thor - This is the matchup that makes all the difference. Thanos can beat DS on his own but most likely it would be a stalemate and long drawn out battle with either being victorious. I just happen to think it's Thanos more then not :-) Supes has and can beat Thor. I believe Thor can beat Supes as well but to me it's at best a stalemate for Team 1 at best. Supes has and can beat Darkseid but more times then not I give DS the majority. Then we come to the last matchup where i can't see Thor ever beating Thanos. I see that as 10/10 for Thanos and thus the clear hard fought victory for a majority for Team 2.
I'm also under the belief that DS is physically stronger then Supes. Then again maybe it's just more power in his punches then Supes. I think supes is more durable, faster and better at H2H. I guess I'm just under the belief that if you pimp slap somebody away with ease and they can never do that to you it's clearly showing some form of strength superiority. Maybe not in all forms of strength such as lifting but at least in one punch ko power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you still think Darkseid is stronger?
As I said earlier...
I'm also under the belief that DS is physically stronger then Supes. Then again maybe it's just more power in his punches then Supes. I think supes is more durable, faster and better at H2H. I guess I'm just under the belief that if you pimp slap somebody away with ease and they can never do that to you it's clearly showing some form of strength superiority. Much like Thanos has done to Hulk, Thing, Thor, Herc etc Maybe not in all forms of strength such as lifting but at least in one punch ko power.
I don't think DS could pimpslap Supes these days.
DS himself said it best in Apokolips Now, "you have grown strong". It may have taken Supes a while to get there, but he's there now.
I'd say they are about dead even on strength. Superman seems to have a slight physical advantage, while DS has the energy/overal power advantage.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
DS never killed DD and you know fangirl. Why people think DS killed DD is beyond me. It was showing all of DD appearances let that sink in. Show me on panel proof tha states DS killed DD Fangirl. It's beyond me how much DS fans will reach at times when it seems pretty clear to me and others it was just showing his appearances.Now onto your pathetic argument that when superman used DS OB against him that doesn't count as victory. You stated that he couldn't have won if not for that. Is that not an assumption not a fact. You assume that but there is no proof of such a claim being valid because superman can and has hurt DS with his punches. Who knows what would've happened. However, the point is when Thor or your beloved WW reflect attacks back at their foe that isn't their own power correct. So, anytime WW or Thor or when Tyrant used Galactus own tech against him none of those count as wins is that the bs your coming up with now. Awwww your poor WW... lol
Originally posted by fangirl101why do you always have to insult, are you suffering from something?
Superman didn't reflect anything back. Your pathetic crap argument there for fails. And In countdown it stated that doomsday repeatedly died and came back to life. And it of course, showed us the times DD had been killed. You fail at life.