A superior weapons platform against the YV and TC? We have to assume the 2nd DS was more advanced and didn't have the same flaws as the first. If it was completed, not a single worldship much less YV fleet would be able to advance against that much firepower. Did we forget to mention the Sun Crusher? No way YV and TC would advance against the galaxy. Sidious and Vader would say to the Rebellion "don't worry we got this - we got it covered. We'll deal with you in a few weeks."
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Too arbitrary for my liking. Is there a statement somewhere in that new Star Wars Bible of yours about the amount of Executors circa RotJ?
Just that they were limited in number to other types of Star Destroyers. I don't see what the problem is. Simple logistics: the Empire is more than capable of producing dozens of Super Star Destroyers and Han's comment is proof of it.
Gideon, then why didn't The Empire stop building the Imperial class? Why not just build Executor's because they were superior than the Imperial class. Better shields, better armor, more firepower, more TIE fighters? Executor's took too much resources and were way too expensive to build. Sidious wasn't dumb - he understood economics because in order to maintain an empire, you have to keep track of what you can do and what you can't do.
Originally posted by GideonYou sure? I'm more inclined tot take Han's comment the same way we take his talk about taking "1000 ships with greater firepower" yada yada yada.
Just that they were limited in number to other types of Star Destroyers. I don't see what the problem is. Simple logistics: the Empire is more than capable of producing dozens of Super Star Destroyers and Han's comment is proof of it.
I've wondered though why the Empire, with all the galaxy under it, didn't produce hundreds--thousands of Executors. For that matter, 25,000 ISD's seems too small a number for millions of planets.
I've wondered though why the Empire, with all the galaxy under it, didn't produce hundreds--thousands of Executors. For that matter, 25,000 ISD's seems too small a number for millions of planets.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that 25,000 comment in reference to the "standard" Imperial-I/II Class Star Destroyers? If that's the case, then they probably had quite a few of the other classes out there as well.
Though I have to admit that I haven't a clue why they wouldn't try to pump out more Executor-Class SSDs. The only excuse I can think of is that, since it was only in the process being produced for the first time shortly before the OT takes place, they might have wanted to see what were essentially prototypes in the field a few more times before going in to mass production. That, or they were cocky.
Originally posted by VinCon01ISD=Imperator-class Star Destroyer a.k.a. "Imperial."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that 25,000 comment in reference to the "standard" Imperial-I/II Class Star Destroyers? If that's the case, then they probably had quite a few of the other classes out there as well.Though I have to admit that I haven't a clue why they wouldn't try to pump out more Executor-Class SSDs. The only excuse I can think of is that, since it was only in the process being produced for the first time shortly before the OT takes place, they might have wanted to see what were essentially prototypes in the field a few more times before going in to mass production. That, or they were cocky.
Han's comment about command ships is taken out of context. Flagships don't have to be large vessels. It may be a cruiser, frigate or a SD. I can't figure out why so many have to think, that a flagship has to be the meanest nastiest warship. The Chimmera wasn't an Executor - it was an Imperial class SD.
Gideon, then why didn't The Empire stop building the Imperial class? Why not just build Executor's because they were superior than the Imperial class. Better shields, better armor, more firepower, more TIE fighters?
probably because of the time it would require to build a massive fleet of 19 km warships. just saying. with a galaxy containing billions of worlds i don't see resources being too big a problem.
There were as of RotJ, 25,000 Imperators, I and II. That doesn't include Victory's or remaining Venator's or the Lancet-class frigates.
correct me if i'm wrong. but wasn't that just the number stationed at endor?
The RotJ script and novelization call for a film that isn't bound by minimalism; the novelization, at least, details that the Rebel fleet at Endor was larger than the visible spectrum. As is the case with other things (i.e. moving faster than the eye can see), there are simply some things that could not, cannot, and should not be presented into the movie. Han's comment was valid; he didn't see anything special about the Executor because there were "dozens" of ships of its class.
Originally posted by GideonCalling it a command ship is a little strange though. Could he not have been referring to a ship in command?
The RotJ script and novelization call for a film that isn't bound by minimalism; the novelization, at least, details that the Rebel fleet at Endor was larger than the visible spectrum. As is the case with other things (i.e. moving faster than the eye can see), there are simply some things that could not, cannot, and should not be presented into the movie. Han's comment was valid; he didn't see anything special about the Executor because there were "dozens" of ships of its class.
Lucien raises a point - "ship in command." According to naval doctrine and this includes all navies, if the flagship is destroyed and the fleet admiral is killed, the senior captain in the battlefleet is the commanding officer. That's why he or she is named "flag captain."
The Executor was basically one big bullseye. Everyone knew at Endor that it was the fleet's command vessel. I would have chosen a less conspicous looking ISD instead. The Executor along with the DS would be the Rebels primary target. If only the Emperor allowed the fleet to attack the Rebel's and uterlly annihilate them, then Luke probably have been turned.
Originally posted by GideonI'll accept this gladly if I can have some proof of there being numerous ESD's around and proof that Han's nonchalant attitude wasn't a farce.
Super Star Destroyers were commonly used as command vessels for the highest ranked officers in sector fleets, et cetera, Tangible. He looked at the Executor and was unimpressed, telling Luke that there were dozens of command ships. He wasn't referring to your generic ISD.
Agreed Lucien. Any enemy ship is a serious threat to your vessel. And where is it stated that The Empire had numerous ESD at their disposal? If it does, please refer it to me.
Kotorfan, Onimi would be no match for Sidious/Palpatine - even if Onimi did fully develop his Force abilities, not one YV had ever faced a Sith Lord and a Sith would rip them to pieces.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I'll accept this gladly if I can have some proof of there being numerous ESD's around and proof that Han's nonchalant attitude wasn't a farce.
Christ, you all are kidding me.
"The Super-class Star Destroyers were many times as powerful as its predecessors. Because they were built in limited numbers, these ships were used mainly as command vessels, guiding fleets and serving as headquarters from which to conduct planetary assaults and space battles." -- Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia.