The Galactic Empire vs. The Covenant and Yuuzhan Vong

But Lucien, an ESD has vulnerable areas like the standard ISD. The external shield generators and target those, you have a ship without shields. Perfect target for capital vessels to concentrate all fire on for a few minutes. Take a look at history - how the British sunk the Bismarck. The Bismarck was the ESD of it's day and it was sunk despite it's superior firepower. My question is, why not build an improved ESD with internal shield generators? Much better protection.

On to the Tryanid - why not use a WMD like Alpha Red or some other bio agent? That'll even the odds - you have to think what can cause the most maximum damage. Cept I don't think the Jedi or the GA would authorize the use of a WMD. Maybe the Chiss would, but not the GA after the debacle with Alpha Red and Zanoma Selkot.

Who's to say Alpha Red would even affect the Tyranid?

But it doesn't matter. Genestealers take the genetic code of any species they kill and add it to the Tyranid's branch of options and in a couple of days they can mass create an army of hybrids mixed up of Tyranid and whatever creature the Tyranid have fought. That being said, the Empire would have to concoct an agent that is lethal to hundreds of different types of species. And inevitably they're going to assimilate humans and any other species in the star wars galaxy ,meaning they'd have to change the formula so it affects human Tyranid and the like... meaning it'd be harmful to humans as well.

It's like trying to find a cure to a disease that's constantly mutating. It would take a lot of time, and it's time that the Empire wouldn't have when they're being attacked by a force that numbers in multiple billions.

Hmm - assimilate. That sounds like the Borg a little bit.

Unless The Empire develops a strain similar to Alpha Red, but constantly mutates and adapts to whatever is being used to counteract the virus. Sounds sinister yes, but Sidious/Palpatine would authorize it's use.

But how long would it take for the Empire to make such a thing? How long did it take for the GA to create it originally? The Empire doesn't have months.. they don't even have weeks.

If there's one thing that LotF has shown us, it's that the Empire has an amazing talent for biological warfare. I refer you to the nanokillers they produced at the very end of the GA-Confederation war.

... that didn't answer my question. 😐

Can the Empire create quite possibly the most advanced and complicated biological weapon that they've ever created (considering the Tyranid can mutate a resistance to it) in a few days?

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
... that didn't answer my question. 😐

Can the Empire create quite possibly the most advanced and complicated biological weapon that they've ever created (considering the Tyranid can mutate a resistance to it) in a few days?

Um. Yes.

I doubt it.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
I doubt it.

Well, you're black.

The Remnant had no trouble creating tons of nanovirus for specific genes and dropping it on Mandalore. The Empire at its height? Don't go down that road, dude.

B-but you ignored my post above. And how long it did it take to create those viruses? How long were they sitting in a freezer somewhere before someone had a use for them?

Unless you can provide proof that they were not even invented yet and the concept not even thought of, and then they just did it all in a couple of days, you don't have a case.

And even if you did, you'd have to explain how they could invent this, then mass-distribute it, then transport it across the thousands of planets across the galaxy that are under siege, then they'd have to augment it to be used in a vacuum (considering Tyranid don't need to breathe), then they'd have to re modify it every couple of days every time the Tyranid assimilated a new alien species into their gene pool, each time becoming harder and harder because as they share traits with the host gene the poison would then affect those who share that gene, meaning that as human tyranids are affected by it humans themselves would be susceptible, etc. etc. And every time they modified it they'd have to re mass distribute it etc.

And again... the Tyranid can double their forces in 2 and a half days... so day one they have 3 billion forces, you gas them, two and a half days there's a billion more with a resistance to the bio-weapon you just created, two and a half days later there's a billion more with a new resistance, and this is of course happening with only one fleet; there's multiple grand fleets in the Tyranid armada mind you which means that the Empire would basically have to create and distribute a poison for each type of life form in the galaxy, as the Tyranid have enough forces to assault multiple star systems and can thus assimilate multiple life forms into the gene pool... and the Empire would have to do all of this while keeping up with the Tyranid's incredible reproductive rates...

Did I say that they could take this Tyranid thingy?

You did say that they could create a virus capable of defeating them or at least affecting them in a few days... which would be incorrect because you can't make a "one-size-fits-all" vaccine for something that mutates constantly, hence mankinds failure to defeat AIDS and the ever increasing danger of the common cold.

No, I said that they could create the most complicated biological weapon they've ever created in a few days. I didn't say they could beat the Tyranid thingy.

But even on that note, on what are you basing the Empire being able to create "the most complicated biological weapon they've ever created" in a few days? They managed to make nano-machines, something they could have had worked out on paper for who knows how long before hand, some bioweapon they created at the end of a war, etc. If the Empire could create incredibly powerful technology that tops anything else they'd made prior they'd have more than just the five or six superweapons they've made over the years.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
But even on that note, on what are you basing the Empire being able to create "the most complicated biological weapon they've ever created" in a few days? They managed to make nano-machines, something they could have had worked out on paper for who knows how long before hand, some bioweapon they created at the end of a war, etc. If the Empire could create incredibly powerful technology that tops anything else they'd made prior they'd have more than just the five or six superweapons they've made over the years.

The Remnant wasn't involved in the GA-Confederation war until the end. And half of that was under Pellaeon's leadership; do you actually think the Moff Council would create a nanovirus to unleash upon their enemies with him in command?

And when did they start the actual research of this virus? Can you prove that it was only days before completion?

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
And when did they start the actual research of this virus? Can you prove that it was only [b]days before completion? [/B]

I'll pour through Invincible for the timeframe. Still, Blax, you've made a couple of really bad assumptions throughout this debate.

I'm sure I have. But in the end I've got all of my points on lock. You go do your fact checking.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
I'm sure I have. But in the end I've got all of my points on lock. You go do your fact checking.

I am.

And no, you don't. You claimed that I said the Empire could destroy the Tyranids. You were wrong. You also claimed that it took the entire war for the Remnant to develop the nanovirus. And you were wrong. No offense, it kinda irks me that you have the audacity to say "you have no case" when you're literally on your last leg.

Originally posted by Gideon
And no, you don't. You claimed that I said the Empire could destroy the Tyranids. You were wrong.

Except that's not a "point". And you misunderstood my enitre question anyway.

You also claimed that it took the entire war for the Remnant to develop the nanovirus. And you were wrong.

No I didn't. Learn to read. I said who knows how long they'd been researching it and thinking up the concept. You've yet to provide any light on the matter.

No offense, it kinda irks me that you have the audacity to say "you have no case" when you're literally on your last leg. [/B]

Right, right. Whatever. Again, go do your fact checking. I've debated with enough Antediluvian to only be bored by pseudo-intellectual badassery. Come back when you have something to say that actually relates to the topic at hand. I'm not some registered in '07-08 newblet who can be cowed by your bullshit. No offense, but I've been around much longer than that, Escape88.