I didn't ignore your "no offense". Take note of the fact that I probably would have responded in a much more aggressive way had you not posted a "no offense". And if you'd notice, I said no offense as well. Just because I didn't put it at the beginning of my statement doesn't mean it's just there for fluff. I don't have any ill-will toward you, sorry if that's how my post made you feel. I love you.
I've yet to put any words in your mouth. I've only replied to the message you yourself have put out. Calm down.
Blaxican you mentioned that the Humans beat the Tyranids, how did this happen?
I was going to say something about that.
A chapter of only a thousand space marines managed to beat back and utterly destroy an entire grand fleet by themselves. From what I've read they managed to do so by sacrificing multiple star systems and huddling all of their forces on one planet, and they managed to destroy a ship in the center of the Tyranid fleet that mentally controlled a large amount of the surrounding ships (like killing the queen in an ant colony), which basically made the surrounding ships brain dead for a few minutes, a psychic backlash of some sort. In a few minutes a replacement overlord ship had been created but they repeated that cycle over and over until they eventually crippled the entire fleet.
The fleet had been traveling through space starved for several years before space contact and were split in half. But it’s still an amazing victory.
BUT, the Space Marines are incredibly powerful. Their strongest cruiser is I believe 8-10 kilometers long and are famous for deestroying thousands of one-man star fighters by themselves in one battle, and they wear armor that enables them to fight thirty foot tall demons made out of fire. 😐
It's still amazing though, for only a thousand strong army to deal such a blow.
I don't know if the Empire can replicate that victory because even though they outnumber that charter a million to one nearly the full force of the Tyranid have multiple grand fleets and numerous regular fleets.. so that's in the high billions.
The only reason the Tyranid haven't consumed the entire galaxy is because they've never completely massed together into one full force before.
they managed to destroy a ship in the center of the Tyranid fleet that mentally controlled a large amount of the surrounding ships (like killing the queen in an ant colony), which basically made the surrounding ships brain dead
Like Ender's Game...
for a few minutes
NOT like Ender's Game. At all.
8-10 kilometers
they wear armor
How much better than Stormtroopers are these 'space marines'?
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Like Ender's Game...
I thought the EXACT same thing. 😂
Executor much? (I hope... what was the final number on that?)
I don't know how long they are exactly.
How much better than Stormtroopers are these 'space marines'? [/B]
I would say much more. One squad of 4 space marines is supposedly equal to about 10 or 20 Tyranid... their armor allows them to survive being tossed 50 feet into the air and can survive being knocked off cliffs... they can survive shots from tanks... they can tank shots from their own weapons, bolters. In the 40K universe, instead of using regular machine guns and the like they use bolter rifles. A bolter rifle is a missle launcher, but it's an automatic weapon that has a high firing rate. So in affect it's a machine gun that fires missles instead of bullets, but at the same high RoF. 😐
In addition to that space marine armor is designed to allow them to fight demons who use hellfire and magical attacks and the like. So I can't say for sure.
The thing that you have to keep in mind about Warhammer is that it's not "realistic", I mean it doesn't even try to be, pretend to be, not even within it's own universe. Some of the machniations are so ridiculous and deliberatly over-the-top that it's just goofy.
The Space Orks, don't know how to properly create weapons. None of their weapons actually work. If you were to take an Ork rifle and pull the trigger nothing would happen because it's a broken peice of scrap metal, but if an Ork takes the same rifle and pulls the trigger it will fire just fine. Space Orks don't know how to pilot space ships and don't know how to build space ships but they have the largest population out of any other in the galaxy and have colonised thousands of worlds ... It's not designed to make any sense. 😐
Originally posted by Darth TruculentUm... okay, and what if we build Star Destroyers out of Vibranium?
But Lucien, an ESD has vulnerable areas like the standard ISD. The external shield generators and target those, you have a ship without shields. Perfect target for capital vessels to concentrate all fire on for a few minutes. Take a look at history - how the British sunk the Bismarck. The Bismarck was the ESD of it's day and it was sunk despite it's superior firepower. My question is, why not build an improved ESD with internal shield generators? Much better protection.
My point was that the ESD provides such a great target to enemy ships that the ESD's escorting ISD's will have an easier time of attacking the distracted enemy. Not to mention the ESD will dish out a handful before it gets destroyed (or not).
And I swear I read somewhere that the bridge domes weren't shield generators but communication towers---it's destruction making it clear that the bridge shield was down. Something about a scene in between the dome blowing up and the Imp. officer's remark was taken out... or something.
I see. Thanks for the info Lucien. On to the Tryanids:
About bio weaponry in the SW universe. The Chiss and The Remnant used bio weapons against the Killiks rights and it basically killed on contact. Now, The Remnant and the Tyranids are fighting for a major piece of real estate that controls hyperlanes, trade routes or a vital base. Introduce a strain of something similar that killed on contact then the Tyranids got a problem. Or, introduce a virus that remains dormant for a few days and is spread throughout their forces. Suddenly hundreds of thousands if not millions of Tyranids begin dying. The war is now a whole new ballgame.
In theory. My brief skimming over of the the Tyranid in Wikipedia mentioned that they have a extremely rapid rate of evolution as a result of their assimilation of so many different strains of biomass. And virus a SW faction comes up with be a last ditch effort and if they didn't somehow manage to account for that sudden change in their biological make-up, then SW dies.
Say Sidious/Papatine develop a strain the mutates to include the Tyranids evolution would destroy them . . . in theory. A coventional war is out of the question because even the Sith Lord would know that he couldn't replace the losses fast enough. A DS or a SC wouldn't do the trick because there are only just one of each. The only solution is a bio weapon.
A friend and I spent a class period trying to think of ways the Empire could survive a Tyranid attack, and to be honest the only feasible plan we could think of is mass-evacuating (which would be impossible obviously) lost Imperial planets, then glassing them with a fleet. Tyranid transform all of a planets natural raw materials (crust and the ocean and plants and the atmosphere) into a food source that they use to survive... and they become weaker the longer they go without eating.
So, by destroying all of the planets that they lose the Imperials could score a victory by simply starving the Tyranid to death, or at least into such a weakened state that one or two all-or-nothing blitz's of Imperial forces wipe them out before they can create new generations of fighters.