Originally posted by Raoul
I know that rule but that still dont change the fact of what was stated. If we was to get EVERYTHING that superman has done and match it to EVERYTHING that even the lowest high herald has in his powerset set it would still be a 1 to 10 difference. For every power that superman has surfer or any other high herald has 5 to 10 more then he does, its just that simple.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What about CIS?CIS Roaul. 🙄
CIS means for example Superman not using all his speed, strength and other abilities and unloading on a character in the first nanosecond of the battle. That is different from an adversary with speed far from Superman's level hitting him, when it is within Superman's capabilities to dodge the blows (which is PIS).
Originally posted by carver9
I know that rule but that still dont change the fact of what was stated. If we was to get EVERYTHING that superman has done and match it to EVERYTHING that even the lowest high herald has in his powerset set it would still be a 1 to 10 difference. For every power that superman has surfer or any other high herald has 5 to 10 more then he does, its just that simple.
that's a flat out biased lie.
if you don't read superman, fine, but claiming you do and then making a claim like that is just... ugh.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Of course, there's no debating that.Guy > Hal though.
you wish.
Originally posted by Raoul
CIS means Superman will use his speed eventually, he just won't use it to punt your head in to orbit.Hal > Kyle, imo.
Its a lot of people that agree with that and as you said my comments isnt fact which I also agree with but heralds and top tiers are two different things. Superman isnt versatile enough to be a herald, along with wonder woman, gladiator, etc...
I agree, they could give a fight or pull a win but just remember this, a herald could end a fight with either of these opponents any time they want to.
Originally posted by carver9
Its a lot of people that agree with that and as you said my comments isnt fact which I also agree with but heralds and top tiers are two different things. Superman isnt versatile enough to be a herald, along with wonder woman, gladiator, etc...I agree, they could give a fight or pull a win but just remember this, a herald could end a fight with either of these opponents any time they want to.
he is a herald because he uses his powers creatively. his strength, speed and durability alone make him a threat to any high herald. add in heat vision, wind/cold breath, some insane vibrational abilities, and you've got someone who uses their head effectively.
it's no coincedence that superman beats people with far more obvious versatility. he's just that good.
and besides, as anti-monitor said, those positions are based on kmc member votes.
he's more than qualifed. he doesn't need to be a high end matter manipulator to be a herald. it's not a requirement.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah I know. I was mainly talking about Kyle and Flash however. At any rate if he doesnt use it quick enough he may lose.
i don't see anyone on that team KO'ing him quickly, especially with his durability...
Originally posted by Raoul
that's a flat out biased lie.if you don't read superman, fine, but claiming you do and then making a claim like that is just... ugh.
you wish.
Superman has a way of using the abilities that he has at a rate that is different then any other but his out put of power is still just heat vision and ice breath. He has mastered his powers to do things beyond anyone else with that same power set but surfer powers along with any other herald is so much more.
Hulk has used and master his strength and healing factor in ways that any other brick has done like punch through time streams, hit intangible people, etc... but he is still a brick and aint close to being a high herald. Just because you have mastered your abilities shouldnt make you something that you're not.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman has a way of using the abilities that he has at a rate that is different then any other but his out put of power is still just heat vision and ice breath. He has mastered his powers to do things beyond anyone else with that same power set but surfer powers along with any other herald is so much more.Hulk has used and master his strength and healing factor in ways that any other brick has done like punch through time streams, hit intangible people, etc... but he is still a brick and aint close to being a high herald. Just because you have mastered your abilities shouldnt make you something that you're not.
the ability to leave most of those heralds knocked out on the floor puts superman in that league.
Originally posted by Philosophía
CIS means for example Superman not using all his speed, strength and other abilities and unloading on a character in the first nanosecond of the battle. That is different from an adversary with speed far from Superman's level hitting him, when it is within Superman's capabilities to dodge that blow (which is PIS).
I know what they both are. Opinions can vary on what PIS is, for example Flash getting tripped up is not neccesarily PIS because he does not alwyas travel at FTL speed. It could be argued that its CIS that he gets tripped and punked because he chooses sometimes not to travel that fast.
Anyway you think Bullseye giving problems to bullet doodgers is PIS also. So it just seems to me if you dont like something its PIS.
Originally posted by Raouli don't see anyone on that team KO'ing him quickly, especially with his durability...
Thats true but I could see Kyle and Flash getting punked.
Originally posted by Raoul
he is a herald because he uses his powers creatively. his strength, speed and durability alone make him a threat to any high herald. add in heat vision, wind/cold breath, some insane vibrational abilities, and you've got someone who uses their head effectively.it's no coincedence that superman beats people with far more obvious versatility. he's just that good.
and besides, as anti-monitor said, those positions are based on kmc member votes.
he's moe than qualifed. he doesn't need to be a high end matter manipulator to be a herald. it's not a requirement.
i don't see anyone on that team KO'ing him quickly, especially with his durability...
So with that said do you consider hyperion a high herald to since he has every ability that you named. Every hyperion that existed should be a high herald because they can do everything that you just named, they dont have as many appearances as superman to do more with there power.
I agree with you, superman could give a herald a fight, hell hulk could give a herald a fight but just because you can compete with someone dont put you on that scale unless you think that wolverine is a top tier because he can fight hulk. 😕
Originally posted by carver9
So with that said do you consider hyperion a high herald to since he has every ability that you named. Every hyperion that existed should be a high herald because they can do everything that you just named, they dont have as many appearances as superman to do more with there power.I agree with you, superman could give a herald a fight, hell hulk could give a herald a fight but just because you can compete with someone dont put you on that scale unless you think that wolverine is a top tier because he can fight hulk. 😕
facepalm
just stop. please, for the love of all that is good and holy, stop. i'm genuinely asking you. PLEASE.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thats true but I could see Kyle and Flash getting punked.
that would depend on your interpretation of PIS and CIS.
any gl with half a brain has their shield up quickly to protect themselves. if it was magneto, now, he could cause damage, but that would assume that none of the others had knocked him out.
Originally posted by Raoul
the ability to leave most of those heralds knocked out on the floor puts superman in that league.
So since wolverine koed hulk hes a top tier. Since wolverine koed wendigo hes a top tier and lets not start with spiderman, all of the people that he has taken on and defeated.
A herald can beat superman at any time due to there cosmic awareness and matter manipulating abilities, with cis on that gives superman a chance. They are everything superman is plus interest. What if surfer just turn intagible throughout the eintre fight, what is superman going to do then. 😕