Originally posted by StiltmanFTWWeird still cant remember the Swordman instance, sounds badass, you know the issue #? iirc in american son he did that as Goblin. I was talking about a different book, the one where SM considered taking Wolverine's advice. He treated Osborn as if he's powerless.
He grabbed Swordsman by his throat (like world war daredevil did to black tarantula), took his sword from him by force and stabbed him with it...Barton? When? And if he did, you're really surprised about it? Class 100 strength wouldn't help Osborn against the awesomeness of Hawkeye.
He was beating the shit out of Spiderman for at least one full-of-action page in American Son.
He's just more of a schemer than a fighter, that's all.
Originally posted by SamZED
Weird still cant remember the Swordman instance, sounds badass, you know the issue #? iirc in american son he did that as Goblin. I was talking about a different book, the one where SM considered taking Wolverine's advice. He treated Osborn as if he's powerless.
Barton embarrassed him when he got captured by Dark Avengers, he was handcuffed too. You're right I shouldn't be surprised. Hawkeye is second only to IF. All I'm saying Osborn is nowhere near as dangerous when he's out of the costume.
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign #1 one-shot.
Barton also headbutted Gargan pretty hard then, iirc 😄
That's true, he feels as if the costume was his true skin or something crazy like that.
Anyway, back to the topic - he has displayed superhuman attributes in Siege. Otherwise he would be put to sleep after getting bashed in the face by Cap's shield on two occasions (Initiative and main title, no helmet), punched by Spiderman, he wouldn't survive getting smacked by Volstagg sheathed sword, him hitting Steve's head with a rock wouldn't affect him at all (or at least that much), etc.
It's amazing how Cap gets the win over someone who's more than 3x as strong due to Cap's skill and such, but when it comes to movie Cap and movie Ozy then Ozy (whose less than 3x weaker) can't win although he is much more skilled and have much faster h2h speed and reflexes?
This is proof of Cap bias on this forum.
Originally posted by h1a8
What gave him that track record? Was it skill or PIS or sometimes both?
Prob both, but like Karate Kid (just a human who, despite being in his what, mid 20s, has mastered a bazillion galactic martial arts and can hang with Kryptonians and Daxamites etc etc) or Batman (sleeps on 2 hours a night, mastered 127 martial arts etc etc and is still technically 'human'😉, there are so many examples out there that to reduce ALL of them to PIS and arguing against it on the basis of set in stone, hardwired definitions is a losing prospect.
Handbooks may say Gobby is 3x stronger or whatever. But Cap's fight record (and not just outliers, like Spidey/Firelord or BP/Surfer) shows he has the skill set necessary to win.
Originally posted by Silent MasterIt was attached to Cap's hand, Cap's hand is attached to his body, his body is attached to his feet, his feet is attached to the vertical seat of the car.
So, the line used to pull the helicopter down was attached to the car and not in Cap's hand?
Just like the first inch of the cable is attached to the second inch and the second to the third and on and on until we reach the helicopter.
It's simply really.
Originally posted by h1a8
It was attached to Cap's hand, Cap's hand is attached to his body, his body is attached to his feet, his feet is attached to the vertical seat of the car.Just like the first inch of the cable is attached to the second inch and the second to the third and on and on until we reach the helicopter.
It's simply really.
So you're claiming that Cap's feet were physically attached to the car, In that case please post the scan showing it.
Originally posted by Silent Master
So you're claiming that Cap's feet were physically attached to the car, In that case please post the scan showing it.
You see Cap's feet braced against the seat to help him pull, the car is going forward, and the helicopter isn't a real one but rather a much lighter glass wonkacopter.