Superman (DoS) vs Sentry

Originally posted by Avlon
Doomsday and Pre crisis Kryptonians didn't one shot Supes. Sentry nor WWH would be able to pull that off.

Are we talking about the same dos doomsday that struggled to break through a iron wall to get free during his first appearance. He has no strength feats to suggest that he's stronger then wwh or even close. WWH would crush dos doomsday, and easily. if maxima can whip that ass I'm pretty sure that wwh could do better.

Originally posted by carver9
Are we talking about the same dos doomsday that struggled to break through a iron wall to get free during his first appearance. He has no strength feats to suggest that he's stronger then wwh or even close. WWH would crush dos doomsday, and easily. if maxima can whip that ass I'm pretty sure that wwh could do better.

You said it. First appearance....where he was freshly resurrected and was without sunlight for millenia. Dos Doomsday (even dos) grows stronger with anger just like Hulk does and starts off with superman level strength which to this point is still above any hulk.

DD would stomp hulk without issue. Ghost Rider was about to whoop that ass too and he has no hulk level strength feats.

Originally posted by carver9
Not like its fact but I'm saying it because titus, who is weaker then wwh one shotted a stronger superman. Despero, who is weaker then wwh (this was proven when he couldnt hold something the size of a mountain and throw it off of him) one shotted superman, a stronger version of superman and wwh is also stronger then him.

I can keep going if you want me to and lets not forget that lobo who was heavily intoxicated with gas stalemated that same version of superman but a stronger superman whipped lobo a**. 🙂

Originally posted by Avlon
You said it. First appearance....where he was freshly resurrected and was without sunlight for millenia. Dos Doomsday (even dos) grows stronger with anger just like Hulk does and starts off with superman level strength which to this point is still above any hulk.

DD would stomp hulk without issue. Ghost Rider was about to whoop that ass too and he has no hulk level strength feats.

I guess me and you just have different opinions on the matter because my opinion, WWhulk physically>>anyone on the jla and I have many reasons saying this. I'm also agreeing with the fact that WWH is>>despero and titus since they shown nothing physically to even make me think that they're close to hulk in strength.

I truly dont understand why you think that dos superman is close to being hulks physical equal when he got koed by an exploding gas station. Doomsday took almost an entire comic to get his arms released from a chain that had one of his arms strapped behind his back. Again, I could give thousands of reasons on why I think that hulk is stronger then superman but I'm not going to argue about that. I do know one thing though, wwh is>>dos doomsday and both had small showings but wwh showings made him look FAR superior.

Originally posted by iceman24567
WWH never one shot anybody on Dos Superman level keep going but unless you have proof you fail.

Wwh also held back the entire arc too, that was stated on panel. Doomsday didnt show anything proving that he is wwh superior and I'm not just talking about dos doomsday either. By the way, doomsday didnt take as much damage then wwh did and walked through. Hell, in one panel they show black bolts voice ripping through time and then a couple of issues later black bolt is fighting hulk, ripping a black hole through space and hulk walked through it like it was nothing.

That feat alone>>anything doomsday went through with his fight against superman.

So WWh hasn't one shot anybody on Dos Superman level thanks for clarifying that for me 🙂

Originally posted by iceman24567
So WWh hasn't one shot anybody on Dos Superman level thanks for clarifying that for me 🙂

I agree, he didnt since he held back the entire time but I'm pretty sure that wwh could do a lot better against dos superman then what a gassed up lobo did, which was a stalemate/almost killed. Its debatable that current superman could physically take down wwh since, well, mu prepped against wwh and everything that they threw at him failed (lets not forget that with all this prep that was used against him, he was still holding back). The only reason I give current superman wins over wwh is because of bfring, if that was gone it would be a repeat of titus/despero/konvikt, I can even throw in the general.

Originally posted by Avlon
These aren't bad but still pale to whats been shown for enen DOS Supes.

Originally posted by Mindset
I wasn't trying to show him to be > Supes, I was proving Ms. Marvel oneshotting him was a low feat.

Ah ok....Carry on.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess me and you just have different opinions on the matter because my opinion, WWhulk physically>>anyone on the jla and I have many reasons saying this. I'm also agreeing with the fact that WWH is>>despero and titus since they shown nothing physically to even make me think that they're close to hulk in strength.

Any standard Kryptonian is >>>>>WWH. DD is up there with them. WWH needed a lot of PIS to even do some of what he did.

Originally posted by carver9
I truly dont understand why you think that dos superman is close to being hulks physical equal when he got koed by an exploding gas station.

Low showing..my examples are far higher than WWH's power output. Plus the gas station was with Supes already worn down from his fight with DD.

Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday took almost an entire comic to get his arms released from a chain that had one of his arms strapped behind his back.

Again... Newly resurrected and without sunlight for millenia. Context my friend.

Originally posted by carver9
Again, I could give thousands of reasons on why I think that hulk is stronger then superman but I'm not going to argue about that. I do know one thing though, wwh is>>dos doomsday and both had small showings but wwh showings made him look FAR superior.

WWH's showings were ok at best. DOS Doomsday was absorbing the energy of a Guardian at his high point. That >>>>WWH in every way, shape, and form.

There is seriously no chance that WWH> Superman in any ways including physical out put. This is measure their base power not power ups.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
There is seriously no chance that WWH> Superman in any ways including physical out put. This is measure their base power not power ups.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Strength and healing ability.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Healing ability yes, but strength. NOO WAY. Not at their base level.

Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This was the strongest Hulk ever. And you are saying at his base level he doesn't beat dos Superman. 😬

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, he didnt since he held back the entire time but I'm pretty sure that wwh could do a lot better against dos superman then what a gassed up lobo did, which was a stalemate/almost killed. Its debatable that current superman could physically take down wwh since, well, mu prepped against wwh and everything that they threw at him failed (lets not forget that with all this prep that was used against him, he was still holding back). The only reason I give current superman wins over wwh is because of bfring, if that was gone it would be a repeat of titus/despero/konvikt, I can even throw in the general.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, he didnt since he held back the entire time but I'm pretty sure that wwh could do a lot better against dos superman then what a gassed up lobo did, which was a stalemate/almost killed. Its debatable that current superman could physically take down wwh since, well, mu prepped against wwh and everything that they threw at him failed (lets not forget that with all this prep that was used against him, he was still holding back). The only reason I give current superman wins over wwh is because of bfring, if that was gone it would be a repeat of titus/despero/konvikt, I can even throw in the general.

You do know that in that lobo fight, Supes was not only poisoned by kryptonite, BUT also possessed by the Eradicator into a logical being that could not fight?

In their next 3 battles, Supes owned Lobo and even owned Lobo + a daxamite at the same time BEFORE DOS.

Originally posted by Mindset

If you believed Ms. Marvel was a low showing then why the hell were you denying it earlier? 😐

Wastng my time.

Looks like a lot happened over the weekend here. 🙂

If you read my last post; you'll see I said that the Ms. Marvel incident SHOULD be a low showing. My whole point was how inconsistent Sentry has been written recently compared to when he debuted.

The Ms. Marvel thing SHOULD be a low showing because Sentry should be above that. But Sentry hasn't been above that for quite some time. I was just pointing that out.

My actual argument (as I keep saying but for some reason you keep ignoring) involves Sentry's WWH durability. That has to be one of the best (if not the best) showings for Sentry in terms of durability. Taking that punishment from WWH burned his powers out.

Again I say that WWH punches could not disintegrate the moon. DOS Supes has survived the moon being disintegrate at point blank range.

You can twist my posts and say I arguing low showings all you want; but if anything I'm pitting high showings against high showings.

Oh, and I still don't think that Sentry has MANY showings to counter the Ms. Marvel thing. I didn't say ANY, I said MANY.

Again my only point is how inconsistent that makes him look. I don't think his character is established enough to put him in situations like that.