Batman vs. Jango Fett

Edit-Sorry it took so long to reply. I am at work, working. 😐

Originally posted by Robtard
Keep patting yourself on the back, it's great. You have a bare minumun to go from the movies, yet you draw these illogical conclusions and just say "I'll be over in 3 seconds", despite what Batman is seen doing in two movies were he's the protagonist.

Okay, Jango can aim well when people are very close, the Jedi he killed and Mace (who wasn't all that far away). He can also aim well from long range when his target is prone and unaware. Great.

It doesn't take a "Star Wars nerd" to debate here, nor does it take a "Batman fanboy", both characters actions/abilities can be seen by watching the movies, which is what we're supposed to be going off, the movies.

Thanks for ignoring one of the most basic and excellent points used in this thread.

Try to pay attention in this discussion. Just because you've been backed up against a wall, doesn't mean you have to get personal, even if you know I don't care.

Remember this:

Originally posted by dadudemon
Jango took that shot from an elevated angle, from MANY yards away, completely unsensed by TWO very adept Jedi.

If you want to continue to overlook this point and pretend it didn't happen, great. Just don't come whining about your Star Wars ignorance.

I mean, really, did you even watch AoTC?

Originally posted by Robtard
[b]Bardock, do you still have that quote were this clown-shoe here stated he's 'a top physical male', or something along those lines? [/B]

This:

Originally posted by dadudemon
I was a highly trained athlete. I ran track and filed and played football. I put up some very impressive numbers in power lifting competitions. I would be an example, physically, of a superior male.

does not =

this:

Originally posted by Robtard
a top male specimen

For further insight into the logic I used with your superior comment, see the below presented information:

Originally posted by Robtard
Movie per movie character and looking at it objectively, Jango loses to Batman in Gotham, maybe if they fought in an open desert and Jango was far enough away, then he'd win.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, looking at it objectively would net you a Jango victory, with out any effort on Jango's part.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Ahhh, the fanboy argument that I clearly pegged on you first. Good job, Colonel.

Originally posted by Robtard
Didn't call you a "fanboy", you clown,

Now, we can add "hypocrite" to your resume. See this post here for evidence of this plan that Bardock never thinks I plan:

Originally posted by dadudemon
Though, I've never said that, I really appreciate the compliment. (Hypocrisy.)

Now why did I call it hypocrisy? Simple, by my logic, saying what I did just above is hypocrisy. I did not really intend to call myself a hypocrite, but rather, I intended this nice scheme of quotes to show you that I was actually parodizing your hypocritical logic. (I am unsure if you can even keep up with what just happened. Reread it a few times before you respond.)

Now, if you could, please try to keep this debate on topic and don't be immature with petty personal attacks. I don't like to report people, especially ones that I like who are on thin ice as it is.

Regardless of anything you guys said...."track and filed"?

Har har 😐

Now you play the poor victim, sweet. Report me if you like, I really don't care, you have nothing to report me for except your own foolishness. But do not threaten me with it.

You said: "I would be an example, physically, of a superior male."
I said you said: "a top male specimen"

Talk about playing semantics...

Anyhow.

It stands to reason that they didn't sense it because it wasn't affecting them, ie he wasn't shooting at them. What do you suggest, Jango has some ability to counter a Jedi's Forced-enhanced senses? The facts we do know, an elevated angle would be favourable for that kind of shot, ie the elevation didn't work against him, his target was prone and unaware. So he's a good sniper, I agree.

Your 'Jango wins in 3 seconds' is illogical, based on the movie feats of both characters. I do stand by my points and why I think Batman would win in Gotham, yet I'm not foolish enough to actually think he'd win it without a struggle and it would be over in a matter of seconds.

Dadudemon,

Forgot to add: You've said that Jango would turn Batman in Swiss cheese with his dual pistol fire. Was Jango shown shooting with two guns simultaneously, let alone having a "bulls-eye" aim while doing so?

IRL, shooting two gun at the same time does hamper your aim.

Originally posted by Robtard
Now you play the poor victim, sweet. Report me if you like, I really don't care, you have nothing to report me for except your own foolishness. But do not threaten me with it.

Straying off topic for a personal insult isn't anything to report about? Strange. I would like to look at the world through your eyes.

Originally posted by Robtard
You said: "I would be an example, physically, of a superior male."
I said you said: "a top male specimen"

Talk about playing semantics...

I told you to pay attention and read it a few times before you responded. Please go back and reread and find the point that you are obviously missing.

Bardooooooock! I need you to explain to him what point made.

Originally posted by Robtard
Anyhow.

It stands to reason that they didn't sense it because it wasn't affecting them, ie he wasn't shooting at them.

Now I really don't think you watch AoTC. Seriously, go watch the movie. I am dead serious. Watch it.

In this very same movie, mere minutes before this incident, these "unattacked" Jedi sensed that Padme Amidala was in great danger from those highly poisonous centipede looking organisms.

Originally posted by Robtard
What do you suggest, Jango has some ability to counter a Jedi's Forced-enhanced senses?

No, he is just so good that he quickly took the shot before the Jedi became aware of the situation. He is that fast and accurate.

Originally posted by Robtard
The facts we do know, an elevated angle would be favourable for that kind of shot,

No. Having to shoot down into the neck into what I would assume is a main artery is a very tough shot because the angle of the head would have put the head (mostly the Jaw) in the way, the hat the bill of the hat, and the little blanket neck cover thingie at the back of the hat COULD have also been in the way. Couple those with low lighting that he easily overcame with his visor that is never expanded upon in the movie, and you have the making of quite an impressive AND speedy shot.

Originally posted by Robtard
ie the elevation didn't work against him, his target was prone and unaware. So he's a good sniper, I agree.

It is harder to take a shot at angles than straight in front of you.

Originally posted by Robtard
Your 'Jango wins in 3 seconds' is illogical, based on the movie feats of both characters. I do stand by my points and why I think Batman would win in Gotham, yet I'm not foolish enough to actually think he'd win it without a struggle and it would be over in a matter of seconds.

No, saying anything other than Batman gets his ass utterly handed to him is illogical. I don't have to stand by my stance as it clearly speaks for itself.

You've argued blaster speed, and that's clearly a dead avenue for you. And you've argued his aiming ability and speed, and that was never debatable.

You've provided no valid points as to why Batman wouldn't end up as swiss cheese.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dadudemon,

Forgot to add: You've said that Jango would turn Batman in Swiss cheese with his dual pistol fire. Was Jango shown shooting with two guns simultaneously, let alone having a "bulls-eye" aim while doing so?

IRL, shooting two gun at the same time does hamper your aim.

Was he shown to ever be off target while duel weilding and firing? No. You've only furthered my point of his aiming prowess.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Bardooooooock! I need you to explain to him what point made.

I have no idea what point you made, you think I read all the stuff you guys said? Are you crazy?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I have no idea what point you made, you think I read all the stuff you guys said? Are you crazy?

hahaha

😆

True enough.

Now excuse me while I get back to gawking at my male superiority.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Was he shown to ever be off target while duel weilding and firing? No. You've only furthered my point of his aiming prowess.

I edited out the rest, as it was essentially yopu saying "blah, blah, you've made no points", despite page after page of me debating with others before you got here. If you're not going to be a dismissive ass, there's no point in debating with you.

I did ask a simple question though; which you seemed to side-step. Did he shoot with both guns? Were the shots as accurate as his single gun shots? I don't recall, so Im asking; if so, which scene(s) did he dual wield?

Originally posted by Robtard
If you're not going to be a dismissive ass, there's no point in debating with you.

Okay, then. I'll be a dismissive ass. 😐

Originally posted by Robtard
I did ask a simple question though; which you seemed to side-step. Did he shoot with both guns? Were the shots as accurate as his single gun shots? I don't recall, so Im asking; if so, which scene(s) did he dual wield?

Watch the movie and get back to me.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Okay, then. I'll be a dismissive ass. 😐

Watch the movie and get back to me.

Okay, you got me on a grammatical error. Kudos.

You can't just tell me the scene(s)? Who/what did he dual fire at?

Kahn is dead. Accept it.

YouTube video

If you meant Khan, as in The Wrath of Khan, he would orally and anally rape both Batmn and Jango in a H2H fight.

Ricardo Monta-whatever, is dead.

Made me laugh.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=349886&pagenumber=1

"Spiderman could beat the etire Jedi Council"

Hahahaha.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
"Spiderman could beat the etire Jedi Council"

Hahahaha.

Movie standpoint? When have the Jedi shown the attack or reaction speed that Spider-man has in the films?

Granted, one hit from a saber would either kill or severely handicap Spider-man, I doubt they could hit him or react faster with the Force than he could with an attack of his own.

When has Spiderman ever resisted an invisible energy force that can hold 2 ton senate pods in the air?

Spiderman's greatest speed feat is dodging one bullet at a time. Yoda's dodged/deflected tons of blaster bolts coming from multiple directions, as has Obi-Wan and most of the other Jedi in the series...

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
When has Spiderman ever resisted an invisible energy force that can hold 2 ton senate pods in the air?

Spiderman's greatest speed feat is dodging one bullet at a time. Yoda's dodged/deflected tons of blaster bolts coming from multiple directions, as has Obi-Wan and most of the other Jedi in the series...

Like I said, they'd have to react faster with the force than Spider-man with a punch or kick.

You do bring up an interesting point though, if the Force is subject to strength used against it, Spider-man did support a several ton cable trolley full of people with one hand in SM1, he also supported that gigantic wall for some time in SM2. So it's possible he's strong enough to counter or resist the force to some level.

His reaction time is so fast that a fly's wing beats seemed to go in (really) slow motion. A house fly's wing beat in excess of 200 times per second. So ya, his reaction time is insanely fast.

edit: That scene in the gladiator pit, all those droids weren't aiming at just one Jedi at a time, some shots were missing I believe and Jedi did die from the blaster fire. So I do think Spider-man's fly thing is greater in regards to reaction time/speed.

Yet he can't react fast enough to consistently dodge Doctor Octupus' tentacles, or Green Goblin's blows, or... anyone's blows. He gets hit a lot by normal speeded foes throughout the movies in straight-up fights. And, this goes for the comcis only so it's not really that big of a deal, but one of the spider senses failings is that it sucks against complicated or multi-step maneuvers. Captain America hit Spiderman four times before he could register what was happening by using a complicated series of feints and jabs, which threw it off. In the movies I can not think of a time where Spiderman dodged five or six strings of attacks easily. All Jedi attacks with a lightsaber are stringed attacks... And I think Greivous four lightsabers moving indepenedly moves faster than Peter does.

Spider sense gives you good reaction-time but it doesn't actually boost your regular speed. Peter's actual attacks in the movies are barely faster than peak human.

Also you'd have to factor in that Peter in the movies isn't as strong. He hit Octavius, a fat old man with man boobs, multiple times in the face and chest, both spots are only humanand not superhumanly durable at all, and he didn't go down.

The force can be resisted using just your strength but it requires leverage. If Peter is in the air there's nothing he can do, he'd essentially be just punching the air.

That's PIS, compared to the speed he demonstrated in the Flash fight scene.

Dude, watch the Flash fight scene, his speed and reaction time are rediculously fast. The fly's wings went from 200+ times per second to less than 1.

He's super strong, I listed two feats that demonstrate he has enough strength to kill a person with one hit, the trolly and the wall scenes. It stands to reason he didn't hit Ock as hard as he could because he isn't a murderer and that would have made the movie boring, Ock dying in the first 5 mins of the fight.

I'm not disagreeing there, but they'd have to attack faster with a Force attack than Spider-man could with a punch, kick or webbing.

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YouTube video