Originally posted by Robtard
So you agree he has super-reflexes etc.; you just arbitarily get to decide how much, despite what's being shown in the films.
Address the points I provided. Do not jump over them if you wish to really get your point across. I've already clearly indicated the failure of your claims. Use another example from the film that isn't the flash fight or prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Spiderman is constantly at that heightened sense of awareness he showed with Flash. I already named one feat fom the movies for you. You must build a logical case for yourself and not just repeat the same thing over and over again (which was shown and a lame aruging point form a long time ago)
Originally posted by Robtard
Must be nice to gimp the guy you want lose,
Ditto.
Originally posted by Robtard
as we couldn't have the SW character lose,
No, you want the Star Wars character to lose. There's a difference between your ideology and the one I just presented.
Originally posted by Robtard
now could we. Bring on the EU and all the Clone Wars business because it "ties into the films".
Straw man. Don't try that again. 😐
Originally posted by dadudemon
Address the points I provided. Do not jump over them if you wish to really get your point across. I've already clearly indicated the failure of your claims. Use another example from the film that isn't the flash fight or prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Spiderman is constantly at that heightened sense of awareness he showed with Flash. I already named one feat fom the movies for you. You must build a logical case for yourself and not just repeat the same thing over and over again (which was shown and a lame aruging point form a long time ago)Ditto.
No, you want the Star Wars character to lose. There's a difference between your ideology and the one I just presented.
Straw man. Don't try that again. 😐
Your points have been addressed and destroyed over and over again. His super-reflexes/reaction-time are outstanding, doing away with the fly and spit-ball scene, he's still at least 5-times faster in regards to reaction time than a human throwing a quick punch. That scene with the camera was to illustrate that, plain and simple. The movie is based off the comics and Spider-man has at least that much ability in him as seen in the films.
To further substantiate that 'at least 5-times' ability, there are at least two instances where people pull a gun on him and he's able to grab their arm and disarm them before they can fire. There's also the scene in part 2 where he avoids both a machine-gun and a shotgun being fired at him at the same time. All these add up to support that Flash-punch and it showing his speed in regards to his perspective.
I know you'll do what you do and just claim 'it doesn't count', despite it being shown in the first film and then subsequently backed up.
What I've disregarded with SW in regards to the films is minimal; RJ has posted clips claiming something about Jedi that simply does not follow what is being shown in the scene, eg the Jedi fighting at super-human speeds, as they always sabre-fight as fast as the actors can, GL doesn't use camera tricks in regards to these fights. Only real time was when Yoda was spining about, though when he clashed sabres with Doku, Doku was moving at human speeds.
You either don't know what a straw-man argument is, or you're trolling for a reaction again. You personally have argued that the Clone Wars does tie into the movies, ergo there's merit to it counting in regards to feats of the Jedi/Sith.
Originally posted by Robtard
Your ass is still puckering uncontrollably from it.P.S. McClane could beat Jango.
If you say so.
And no he couldnt.
Originally posted by RobtardWouldnt the latest animated SW movie count as CANON?
. Bring on the EU and all the Clone Wars business because it "ties into the films".
Originally posted by Robtard
Your points have been addressed and destroyed over and over again.
Thinking out loud about yourself?
Originally posted by Robtard
His super-reflexes/reaction-time are outstanding, doing away with the fly and spit-ball scene,
ZOMG! Liek, I'm TOTALLY convinced nao! You winz!
Originally posted by Robtard
he's still at least 5-times faster in regards to reaction time than a human throwing a quick punch.
Fo realz dawg!
Originally posted by Robtard
That scene with the camera was to illustrate that, plain and simple.
You're totally right. It's the director's and writer's fault for not keeping ability continuity. The rest of the film's are simple PIS on his reaction times.
Originally posted by Robtard
The movie is based off the comics and Spider-man has at least that much ability in him as seen in the films.
🤨
Read a few comics. So much PIS on either end of the reaction spectrum.
Originally posted by Robtard
To further substantiate
Stop right here. We can tell automatically, based on your wording, that it's a failed point. I don't know why we are going to address it.
Originally posted by Robtard
that 'at least 5-times' ability, there are at least two instances where people pull a gun on him and he's able to grab their arm and disarm them before they can fire.
Okay...so how in the hell can you possibly "substantiate" your claim that it is "5-times"? Didn't you mention earlier in teh threadz something about Fly wings and stuff? Really, I mean...come on. At least I substantiated my claim with some simple frames a second, based on distance. (for the blaster bolts). You'll have to capture, on film, a normal human trying to capture the same gun in the same exact scenario with the same amount of time. If the normal human is faster, then...ZOMG! That would make teh Spidermanz slower! NOOOO!
Originally posted by Robtard
There's also the scene in part 2 where he avoids both a machine-gun and a shotgun being fired at him at the same time. All these add up to support that Flash-punch and it showing his speed in regards to his perspective.
Err, no. 😐 It just means that he can jumpy and swingy all over the place, making it difficult for dumb assed thugs to land a shot. And if you wanted my opinion, the bullets would punction his skin anyway, even if the could land a hit. The hits on spiderman in III were causing tremors all around the contruction scene. Surely that hide of his can take a bullet if you can take massive punches that cause regional quakes. 😐 (Blaster bolts would burn the surface, imo. It would take a lightsaber to do any damage.)
Originally posted by Robtard
I know you'll do what you do and just claim 'it doesn't count', despite it being shown in the first film and then subsequently backed up.
No. It is a valid point. Spidey is great at dodging gun fire. That is even backed up by the comics. But it's a function of his moving and not him simply dodging bullets like Deacon Frost from Blade I like you'd like it to be. Failure to keep up with the fast moving spiderman and lead the fire is the problem. Do you think Jango would experience the same or do you think he is a much better shot with moving targets? That's really what should be being discussed. But, yes, I am really glad you finally took this a different direction. It can actually be discussed.
Originally posted by Robtard
What I've disregarded with SW in regards to the films is minimal; RJ has posted clips claiming something about Jedi that simply does not follow what is being shown in the scene, eg the Jedi fighting at super-human speeds, as they always sabre-fight as fast as the actors can, GL doesn't use camera tricks in regards to these fights. Only real time was when Yoda was spining about, though when he clashed sabres with Doku, Doku was moving at human speeds.
I agree. I've already indicated that it is very lame to try and make the argument that they could fight at those fast speeds. It's true that fighting at those speeds is done in the Star Wars Universe, but it's only EU stuff.
Originally posted by Robtard
You either don't know what a straw-man argument is, or you're trolling for a reaction again.
Let me know when Jango can used force crush on Grevious to cause his cough and then I'll try to point out the EU to Ep III tie-in. Until then, it was blatant strawman on your part. It was specifically stated to get a reaction out of me. It was your subversive way of trying to insult me. I called your B.S. and you were trolling. 😐
Originally posted by Robtard
You personally have argued that the Clone Wars does tie into the movies, ergo there's merit to it counting in regards to feats of the Jedi/Sith.
Still strawman. You don't know what it is if you can't see that. Let me know when the force crushing of Grevious can some how fit into this argument. If you can legitimately incorporate it and it's not strawman, I'll retract my accusation of strawman argument.
Originally posted by RobtardNothing in the forum rules, not that I see, saying that CGI/Animated films do not count.
I did.I know.
Does animation/CGI count in this Movie Vs. forum, or is there an animation and/or CGI forum? I thought it doesn't as it came up in a previous thread.
After all, it's a motion picture, isnt it? real actors or CGI shouldnt count.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
If it is, then it destroys the "Mace force crushing Grevious" cartoon one, as theres no Ahsoka in the cartoon, Grevious has a different portrayal bang in CG clonewars on how he appears in the movies...But its EU too.
You can't make sweeping conclusions like that when the series is still underway. Somehow, Ahsoka has to no longer be part of Ani's life before Ep III. Grevious has to earn his cough (because he doesn't earn it until Chapter 25 of Clone Wars). If the CW CGI series ends before Chatper 24 of Clone Wars cartoon, then it tied nicely in.
It's not EU since George worked on it directly. It's his creation. He may make a clarification when fans get up in arms over a contradiction (because they will arise)
Dadudemon,
I give you the benefit of the doubt repeatedly, yet you consistently resort to both childish and moronic behavior to distract while using dishonest tactics.
I'm sure you'll take this as 'he's angry because I pwned him' and pat yourself on the back as you do, in all honesty, your attempts to insult-answer are not funny or witty, not even a little bit. If they were, I'd have a laugh with you.
If you're angling to see how far you can take it before I do hit the ignore button, as several people have pm'd me with that advice to just do so, just say so now.
As I said: Its not looking likely. If Im wrong, I will create a "I was wrong about that" thread, but til that day, when you start watching it, you too will be in a qualified position to see how different it clearly is, and to be able to ascertain for yourself, how likely it is that they will have the same Grevious history. We have already seen that it is a different thing for Grevious and everyone else this time round.
Ironically, the suckyness of the non-canon type stuff in the movie, was toned out, mostly for the much better series.... which doenst count here. So the stuff we would regard as canon, we cant cite here. Just leaves you with a big pile of canon contradicting padawans, out of character Anakins and English/basic speaking gay uncle huts.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthI admit there are some discrepancies/incontinuities, but its a SW movie, thats all that counts.
Despite the whole Anakin not being a Jedi master yet but having a Padawan...?And there being no reference to it in the other films, verbally or otherwise....? And it disrupting canon..?