ROTS Sidious vs ROTJ Vader and Luke

"That's just one definition." Thank you. 😉

That was to point out that a divine being is clearly being referenced in the definitions that you provided. As i said, all of the other definitions don't apply either.

Originally posted by Darth Luna
Don't you mean to say "a" dictionary? There is not one universally correct dictionary, and as such the use of the definite article "the" was completely misplaced.

Originally posted by Darth Luna

Divine. Emanating from God. While that's just one definition, it's the most appropriate one, and none of the others listed from the many dictionaries of the World would relate to Mr Windu's Force given power.

Charism
Cha"rism\, n. [Gr. ? gift.] (Eccl.) A miraculously given power, as of healing, speaking foreign languages without instruction, etc., attributed to some of the early Christians.

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

When viewed in conjunction with:

This is my gift.
[...]
I can see shatterpoints.

Mace's power is instinctive, innate. It is like a gift from the Force.

Last time I checked, it wasn't Mr Windu's Shatterpoint ability that granted him such influence and authority.

Entirely irrelevant, as you yourself note.

Again, because the word isn't being used in that particular sense.

Which is exactly what I'd expect to hear from someone who apparently believes Google Definition to be the only existing dictionary. There are multiple definitions that describe it as a unique ability.

Because, as ever, I am the biggest gangstar on the intrawebs. By the way, is there a particular reason you chose to use the word "illegally" in a situation of such a trivial nature? If it was an attempt to appear clever, you failed miserably.

Yes, I was referring to the novel, which is why I labelled it an "ability." And as Mr Windu notes in Shatterpoint, "Shatterpoint" is the name he personally gives his ability. Not a universally recognised word, but the name he personally gives it. As a name, it would be grammatically incorrect to not capitalise the "S." Really, basic stuff.

Imagine a Corusca gem: a mineral whose interlocking crystalline structure makes it harder than durasteel. You can strike one with a five-kilo hammer and do no more than dent the hammer's face. Yet the same crystalline structure that gives the Corusca strength also gives it shatterpoints: spots where a precise application of carefully measured force- no more than a gentle tap- will break it into pieces. But to find these shatterpoints, to use them to shape the Corusca gem into beauty and utility, requires years of study, an intimate understanding of crystal structure, and rigorous practice to train the hand[...]

The bolded section implies that others- even non-Force sensitives can learn this power. Mace never learned it. He just knew it. Also, Mace does not capitalize the word 'shatterpoint' in his musing in the book of the same name. I couldn't find a case where he referred to the power specifically, but when used as a noun it isn't capitalized.

An abbreviation universally recognised that the period is quite unnecessary and not at all required from a grammatical point of view.

Which Mr Windu's Shatterpoint ability clearly isn't. It's something he naturally receives through his connection to the Force granted by the midi-chlorians in his blood.

Except through the words "theology," "divinely," and "spiritually." Perhaps you should have inputted those words in your little wiktionary.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis

He meant the dictionary. In this case it was being used as an abstract concept- as it often is in interpersonal communication. As neither of you is a linguist, any dictionary counts as a higher authority (or at least one that is correct) that can stand in for the concept of the dictionary. I understand that abstract thought can be tough for those under 13, but try to keep up, won't you?

Except for the fact that there is nothing conceptual about the dictionary, and as such it cannot be used in that manner. Try again Red Noobesis.

Also:

Charism
Cha"rism\, n. [Gr. ? gift.] (Eccl.) A [b]miraculously given power, as of healing, speaking foreign languages without instruction, etc., attributed to some of the early Christians.

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

When viewed in conjunction with:

[quote]This is my gift.
[...]
I can see shatterpoints.

Mace's power is instinctive, innate. It is like a gift from the Force.[/quote]

Except you're taking the completely literal meaning of "gift" when Mr Windu is quite clearly speaking metaphorically. Much like when Gideon makes references to my "gifted mind" (his words). Notice how he doesn't follow it up with the word "charism." It's Mr Windu's gift in the sense that he was "gifted" with the natural talent in the Force that allows him such an amazing level of ability with the technique. It wasn't literally given to him.

That's because you aren't using the right (pertinent) definition of the word.

Reading the entire debate would be nice. Gideon was the one who brought up that definition, and he later claims that it applies. It does not. I was explaining that.

Again, because the word isn't being used in that particular sense.

Which is why I labelled it irrelevant.

It is an innate ability. It did not come with long study nor in a sudden (late in life) epiphany. It is just something he can do.

Which has everything to do with his natural talent with the ability, which at its core stems from simple biology. His midi-chlorian count determines just exactly what kind of connection to the Force he possesses, which is what allows him such affinity with the ability. There's absolutely nothing divine or supernatural about it. He wasn't given it in a literal sense, he was biologically born with it.

If that isn't a gift from the Force (the yahwe of star wars) then I don't know what is.

HEY! You are not boog. You aren't even half as entertaining as it was.

Whom is boog?

Shatterpoint may be the name he gives the technique, but it is a universally recognized word:

[quote]Imagine a Corusca gem: a mineral whose interlocking crystalline structure makes it harder than durasteel. You can strike one with a five-kilo hammer and do no more than dent the hammer's face. Yet the same crystalline structure that gives the Corusca strength also gives it shatterpoints: spots where a precise application of carefully measured force- no more than a gentle tap- will break it into pieces. But to find these shatterpoints, to use them to shape the Corusca gem into beauty and utility, [b]requires years of study, an intimate understanding of crystal structure, and rigorous practice to train the hand[...]

You completely mixed up the two terms. The shatterpoints in that case would be the universally recognised word, as in the "spots where a precise application of carefully measured force- no more than a gentle tap- will break it [the Corusca gem] into pieces." Mr Windu's Shatterpoint ability, what allows him to detect these shatterpoint, possesses an entirely different meaning.

The bolded section implies that others- even non-Force sensitives can learn this power. Mace never learned it. He just knew it.

No, it implies that through means of their own ("years of study, an intimate understanding of crystal structure, and rigorous practice to train the hand"😉, they too can detect the shatterpoints he speaks of. Again, completely different meaning to the actual ability to detect weaknesses with the Force. You're committing a Fallacy of Equivocation.

Also, Mace does not capitalize the word 'shatterpoint' in his musing in the book of the same name. I couldn't find a case where he referred to the power specifically, but when used as a noun it isn't capitalized.

Which would be because you can't distinguish between the two different meanings.

You made a (careless, ignorant, idiotic- take your pick of adjective) mistake. Accept it, admit it, and move on. You are not good enough at this to even *try* to weasel your way out of this. You are wrong. The period is absolutely necessary in the abbreviation 'Mr.'

No, it is

not! The period is only absolutely necessary when the abbreviation isn't universally recognised. Know what you are talking about, fool.

Nope. Mr[b]. Windu's Shatterpoint ability might require his connection to the force (notice the word 'might'😉 but it isn't granted solely because of the midichlorians in his blood.

There is no "might" about it. It's a Force ability that allows the detection of weak spots, named after the vulnerable spots within a crystalline matrix.

If it was simply a side effect of Force sensitivity someone else in the Saga would have the ability instinctively.

Mace possesses a unique affinity with the ability, which is what enables him to instinctively use it (much like Cade and his own personal ability). It's his own unique connection to the Force that grants him such affinity with the technique. It wasn't gifted to him directly by the Force with purpose or intention, and as such the use of the word "charism" is completely misplaced.

Because Luke shows that it can be taught it follows that it was taught to him. Mace never mentions that anyone could learn it.

He mentions that he could personally sense that other Jedi around him were capable of the same, just not to the same degree he was. Whether they learnt it or it came naturally to them is something Mr Windu never elaborates on.

Context it nice sometimes.

Context is nice sometimes? Explain. That made absolutely no sense to what you were responding to.

We are discussing a metaphysical power in an alternate universe in which there is actually a god!.

Whut?! Where the hell did you get that idea from? Nowhere in canon has the existence of a divine being been established.

The power clearly works through the Force. It comes by dint of Mace's Force connection in conjunction with whatever it is that makes Mace special enough to have a unique way to view things.

His affinity with the technique, which is granted to him by his specific connection to the Force. Try again fool.

Also, weren't you were going to respond to this thread here?

killermovies.kom/forums/f86/t500444.html

Chop Chop.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Nowhere that I know of especially not the movie does it show Vader holding back.

Originally posted by Kotor3

Further, not having your heart into a battle is not the same as an unwillingness to kill. Vader twice mention to Luke that he would kill him if that was his destiny. He also went to strike Luke down when Luke disable his saber. Vader also threw his saber directly at Luke in an effort to kill him. Vader was willing to kill Luke. You seem to forget that Luke was trying to bring Vader back to the light side and it was never his intention to kill Vader. That also shows what Luke did as extraordinary.

And how was vader going all out when that battle was crap compared to the vader vs galen duel in TFU which was incredibly epic slamming one another into walls and then seizing telekinetic storms at one another?

Once again luke mentions how his father was holding back against him in one of the EU novels.

Really mr kotor man, if vader was intending to kill luke, why couldn't he simply replicate what he did in TFU, which was to own him via the force?

Originally posted by DorianYates
It does so in one of the expanded EU novels.

And how was vader going all out when that battle was crap compared to the vader vs galen duel in TFU which was incredibly epic slamming one another into walls and then seizing telekinetic storms at one another?

Once again luke mentions how his father was holding back against him in one of the EU novels.

Really mr kotor man, if vader was intending to kill luke, why couldn't he simply replicate what he did in TFU, which was to own him via the force?

If you are going to address an argument how about you read the person statement you are addressing. I and others have already addressed your statements. Give me proof that Vader was holding back through the entire battle.

I will repeat once more for you. Like Dooku who did not go all out on Anakin initially Vader did the same with Luke. He wanted to make Luke angry. Luke never went all out on Vader until Vader brought out Luke’s anger. Why? Luke did not want to kill Vader but bring him back to the light side. Understood? Vader twice tried to strike Luke down before he made Luke angry. Once when Luke disable his saber and when he threw his saber at Luke.

It is a nice assumption to assume the superior force user would win. Like Dooku who could not take the onslaught of Anakin. Vader could not take the onslaught of Luke.

Originally posted by Kotor3
If you are going to address an argument how about you read the person statement you are addressing. I and others have already addressed your statements.

Originally posted by Kotor3

Give me proof that Vader was holding back through the entire battle.

I will spell it out for you kotor fanboy, if galen, a vastly superior combatant to ROTJ luke couldn't outduel and defeat vader in his rage(read the novel, he defeated vader when he wasn't in a fit of rage) and whereas ROTJ luke, an inferior combatant could defeat vader in a fit of rage, doesn't that actually tell you that somehting is not right? Like perhaps vader isn't going all out like you want it to be to make him look weak?

^ READ this, understand it and THEN get back to trying to argue.

Originally posted by Kotor3

I will repeat once more for you. Like Dooku who did not go all out on Anakin initially Vader did the same with Luke. He wanted to make Luke angry. Luke never went all out on Vader until Vader brought out Luke’s anger. Why? Luke did not want to kill Vader but bring him back to the light side. Understood? Vader twice tried to strike Luke down before he made Luke angry. Once when Luke disable his saber and when he threw his saber at Luke.

Your a joke pal, if you wanted proof that he was holding back there were so many opportunities that vader could have easily unleashed a force attack which would have resulted in luke getting his balls ripped apart(such as seizing a massive telekinetic storm or ripping apart the platform and crush luke when he was standing on it, this is evident by the feats he performed in TFU).

Oh and incase your just too idiotic to read, ill mention it for you again, luke stated in his thoughts that vader was holding back at him, that he could have easily crushed luke if he really wanted to get serious.

I don't have the novel which stated this, go ask gideon or simply open your cock eyes and look at the circumstances of the ROTJ duel and COMPARE it to the TFU duel.

Originally posted by Kotor3

It is a nice assumption to assume the superior force user would win. Like Dooku who could not take the onslaught of Anakin. Vader could not take the onslaught of Luke.

Now kotor3, simply shut the hell up, the proof you seek has already been humbly handed and smacked onto your face, just that you absolutely refuse to actually read and accept it , yYou choose to ignore and repeat the same crap without even offering any proof of your own.

Originally posted by DorianYates
First off, quit acting like your a professional debater because the damn sad fact is, your not, plain and simple.
Does your brain fail to respond to tell you that the "proof" you seek has already been given to you just that you are way too pigheaded to read let alone comprehend?

LOL. Proof, what proof?

Originally posted by DorianYates
I will spell it out for you kotor fanboy, if galen, a vastly superior combatant to ROTJ luke couldn't outduel and defeat vader in his rage(read the novel, he defeated vader when he wasn't in a fit of rage) and whereas ROTJ luke, an inferior combatant could defeat vader in a fit of rage, doesn't that actually tell you that [b]somehting is not right? Like perhaps vader isn't going all out like you want it to be to make him look weak? [/B]

Right so Vader simply allowed Luke to defeat him.

Originally posted by DorianYates
^ READ this, understand it and THEN get back to trying to argue.
Right so throwing his lighsaber at luke and attempting to strike luke twice means he is going all out! Huray for logic!

You really are an idiot. I see this is going nowhere. You also ignore the fact that Luke was not trying to kill Vader at all.

Originally posted by DorianYates
Your a joke pal, if you wanted proof that he was holding back there were so many opportunities that vader could have easily unleashed a force attack which would have resulted in luke getting his balls ripped apart(such as seizing a massive telekinetic storm or ripping apart the platform and crush luke when he was standing on it, this is evident by the feats he performed in TFU).

Prove it? Something you have not done throughout any of your post.

Originally posted by DorianYates
Oh and incase your just too idiotic to read, ill mention it for you again, luke stated in his thoughts that vader was holding back at him, that he could have easily crushed luke if he really wanted to get serious.

You are either a Sidious Fanboy or just a plain idiot. For the last time no one denies that Vader initially was holding back. Luke himself stated "I do not believe you will destroy me just like you couldn’t before". Luke obviously did not feel that Vader heart was in the battle. This does not mean that Vader allowed Luke to defeat him. That is a direct contraction to what a Sith believes.

Originally posted by DorianYates
I don't have the novel which stated this, go ask gideon or simply open your cock eyes and look at the circumstances of the ROTJ duel and COMPARE it to the TFU duel.
Shut up and read the above.

Now kotor3, simply shut the hell up, the proof you seek has already been humbly handed and smacked onto your face, just that you absolutely refuse to actually read and accept it , yYou choose to ignore and repeat the same crap without even offering any proof of your own.

No one is asking Gideon. I am very tired of idiots like you pointing to Gideon to assist you in your arguments. If you cannot provide proof then shut up and stop trying to insult people as if you made a reasonable argument. Gideon can hold his own. Obviously you can’t.

Originally posted by Kotor3
If you are going to address an argument how about you read the person statement you are addressing. I and others have already addressed your statements. Give me proof that Vader was holding back through the entire battle. \

I will give you proof: "And there was a further matter. In his battles with Darth Vader and the Emperor, Luke felt he had never truly tested his powers to the limits. Vader had sought only to turn him, had kept Luke alive. Yet Luke had no illusions that Gethzerion would be so lenient."

For you to even think you could argue after getting smashed when all i had to do was to ask simple questions that you couldn't even answered probably suggests that your parents are brothers and sisters aka your an inbred.

Inbred, that will what i will call you from now on.

Originally posted by Kotor3
LOL. Proof, what proof?

Trying to act smart now?

Were you too idiotic to read when i mentioned that luke stated in one of the EU novels that vader was holding back?

Originally posted by Kotor3

Right so Vader simply allowed Luke to defeat him.

Vader simply underestimated luke because of their last duel when vader toyed with him and then got overpowered, nothing indicates he was going all out moron.

Originally posted by Kotor3

You really are an idiot. I see this is going nowhere. You also ignore the fact that Luke was not trying to kill Vader at all.

I was arguing that vader was holding back, not if luke wanted to kill vader or not, don't try to derail the topic shitbrains.

If this is going nowhere, why argue? Is it because of some genetic mutation caused because you were born from a sibling couple?

Originally posted by Kotor3

Prove it? Something you have not done throughout any of your post.

I already analysed the situation and asked you logical questions that you blatantly ignored because you knew that it debunks all of your "arguments" and because of that all you can do is "0h sh0W m# pr00f!!!!1111!11111!!!1!oneoneone".

Its ironic really, you have yet to offer up a single shred of proof nor have you even came up with something logical to support your arguments and already your being a superscale hypocrite begging me for proof when you made the claims in the first place.

Originally posted by Kotor3

You are either a Sidious Fanboy or just a plain idiot.
.

Oh WOW so because i argued for vader, it means i masturbate when i see his mask on the pc screen, it means i wear vader branded "panties", it means i have vader toothbrush, it means that i wear vader pyjamas.

Your are seriously re-tar-ted friend, i argued because you made an extremely stupid assertion and have nothing, not even anything logical to back your claims up of vader going all out.

Originally posted by Kotor3

For the last time no one denies that Vader initially was holding back.
.

Originally posted by Kotor3

Give me proof that Vader was holding back through the entire battle..

^ Do you see how hard you fail?

Originally posted by Kotor3
[B]
Luke himself stated "I do not believe you will destroy me just like you couldn’t before". Luke obviously did not feel that Vader heart was in the battle. This does not mean that Vader allowed Luke to defeat him. That is a direct contraction to what a Sith believes

Originally posted by Kotor3

No one is asking Gideon. I am very tired of idiots like you pointing to Gideon to assist you in your arguments. If you cannot provide proof then shut up and stop trying to insult people as if you made a reasonable argument. Gideon can hold his own. Obviously you can’t.

All i did was tell you to ask gideon for the novel because i don't have it, NOT because i could't come up with any proof(ironic as you yourself had absolutely nothing, not even half the intelligence to come up with anything reasonable and logical).

And i don't "try" to insult people, i simply state the facts, such as the harsh truth of your parents being brothers and sisters which resulted in your unbelivably low intelligence.

EDIT, now thanks to fan skywalker, the quote he gave + my logical questions = you got owned HARD. Now shut up and crawl back up your mums vagina.

"And there was a further matter. In his battles with Darth Vader and the Emperor, Luke felt he had never truly tested his powers to the limits. Vader had sought only to turn him, had kept Luke alive. Yet Luke had no illusions that Gethzerion would be so lenient."

Originally posted by Fan Skywalker
I will give you proof: "And there was a further matter. In his battles with Darth Vader and the Emperor, Luke felt he had never truly tested his powers to the limits. Vader had sought only to turn him, had kept Luke alive. Yet Luke had no illusions that Gethzerion would be so lenient."

The quote above supports Luke’s statement and feelings in ROTJ that Vader would not kill him. The point is was Vader holding back when Luke went attacking him in a rage of fury or was Vader fighting for his life? The quote above does not prove that Vader was holding back when Luke attacked him in a moment of rage.

Originally posted by Kotor3
The quote above supports Luke’s statement and feelings in ROTJ that Vader would not kill him. The point is was Vader holding back when Luke went attacking him in a rage of fury or was Vader fighting for his life? The quote above does not prove that Vader was holding back when Luke attacked him in a moment of rage.

That was proof that vader DID infact hold back against luke(which you had asked me to prove he did earlier the entire time).

Vader may not have been holding back when luke went apeshit, but he certainly did not go all out either, or he would have easily floored luke but it appears that the current situation did NOT allow him to make a counter attack.

Its funny how galen couldn't do what luke did, despite being vastly superior to ROTJ luke and yet you have been ignoring everything i said and asked every since i made the first post.

You just *cannot* accept being wrong can you?

And STOP contradicting yourself, first you claim vader was trying to kill luke, now your saying something completely different, shut up and get over the fact that you have lost.

Almost EVERYBODY in this thread has argued with you, gideon, me, fan skywalker, lucien. I think its time for you to wave the white flag, shut up and gtfo.

EDIT.

And before you have the cheek to tell me that im not reading properly, let me tell you this, your rational was that since vader threw his lightsaber and threatened to kill luke several times, it means he is going all out, and then you start to change your stance saying something different such as him holding back initially, and then now your changing your stance once again.

Nice job, Nemesis. It's always been enjoyable demolishing Nebaris in a logical arena; it's almost as fun to see him get crushed in a grammatical one as well.

Kotor3, Vader did hold back on Luke. He was not going all out; he was mentally conflicted. He did say Luke would die if it was his destiny, but he did not truly believe that, or he would not have killed Palpatine.

Originally posted by DorianYates
Wow, you are an idiot, STILL arguing even when concrete proof has been slammed into your face, so hard that it literally disfigures your already ugly face.

I think its time for you to wave the white flag, shut up and gtfo.

And the novelization supports the idea that Luke, in his "moment of dark clarity," was indeed overpowering and "humiliat[ing]" Vader in their duel. That said - this is for you, kotor3 - Vader was not doing everything he could to kill his son. That doesn't necessarily mean that he was throwing the fight, but had he brought his vastly superior power in the Force to bear with the intent to kill he would have crushed Luke. It's almost an exact parallel to Vader's own duel with Count Dooku in RotS; the older combatant should have won through use of his Force abilities, but ended up being overpowered when the younger combatant with greater reserves of power surrendered to his rage.

SIDIOUS 66 I agree with your statement. Please read my initial post, DarkSideisMeth post and Publius II.

Publius II I used the same examples that you stated in my initial post. I have stated and agree that Vader initially was trying to make Luke angry. The point as you stated is that the fight was not a give away by Vader. Thus I believe Luke is enough of a factor to give him and Vader enough of a chance to win against ROTS Sidious.

Here is another topic for discussion. Can ROTS Sidious simply force choke Luke? Luke was able to muster enough force power to overpower Vader. If Sidious can do so, can he do it before Vader is able to kill him or simply break the force choke? I believe it would come down to a saber battle.

Originally posted by BOOG II
Except for the fact that there is nothing conceptual about the dictionary, and as such it cannot be used in that manner. Try again Red Noobesis.

The concept of a storehouse of all words (including the correct spellings and currently accepted definitions) is the basis for the expression 'The Dictionary.' This storehouse obviously does not exist in real life- we are dealing with the a priori concept of a dictionary. That we do not use an abstract concept to correct each other shows that you are either
a). being spitefully pedantic
-or-
b). woefully incapable of even the most simple abstract thought.
If it is option 'A' then you are a jerk (and therefore not worth my time) and if it is option 'B' then you are an idiot (and therefore not worth my time).

Originally posted by BOOG II

Mace's power is instinctive, innate. It is like a gift from the Force.

Except you're taking the completely literal meaning of "gift" when Mr Windu is quite clearly speaking metaphorically. Much like when Gideon makes references to my "gifted mind" (his words). Notice how he doesn't follow it up with the word "charism." It's Mr Windu's gift in the sense that he was "gifted" with the natural talent in the Force that allows him such an amazing level of ability with the technique. It wasn't literally given to him.

Originally posted by BOOG II

Reading the entire debate would be nice. Gideon was the one who brought up that definition, and he later claims that it applies. It does not. I was explaining that.

Originally posted by BOOG II

Which is why I labelled it irrelevant.

Originally posted by BOOG II

Which has everything to do with his natural talent with the ability, which at its core stems from simple biology. His midi-chlorian count determines just exactly what kind of connection to the Force he possesses, which is what allows him such affinity with the ability. There's absolutely nothing divine or supernatural about it. He wasn't given it in a literal sense, he was biologically born with it.

In case that block of text wasn't enough:
MACE HAS THE SHATTERPOINT CHARISM ONLY BECAUSE OF THE FORCE'S INTERVENTION.

Originally posted by BOOG II

Whom is boog?

Also: Your credentials are slipping further into doubt; you have misused the objective case of the word 'who.' Copy/pasting from Merriam-Webster's dictionary:
[Whom is] used as object of a verb or a preceding preposition [...] or less frequently as the object of a following preposition.
Neither of those usages applies to this situation. You should quit now. To borrow Darth Sexy's phrase: "You are embarrassing yourself."

Originally posted by BOOG II

You completely mixed up the two terms. The shatterpoints in that case would be the universally recognised word, as in the "spots where a precise application of carefully measured force- no more than a gentle tap- will break it [the Corusca gem] into pieces." Mr Windu's Shatterpoint ability, what allows him to detect these shatterpoint, possesses an entirely different meaning.

Note: The case of 'shatterpoint' as a proper noun must take place away from the beginning of a sentence so that we can accurately determine what the cause of capitalization was.

Originally posted by BOOG II

No, it implies that through means of their own ("years of study, an intimate understanding of crystal structure, and rigorous practice to train the hand"😉, they too can detect the shatterpoints he speaks of. Again, completely different meaning to the actual ability to detect weaknesses with the Force. You're committing a Fallacy of Equivocation.

Originally posted by BOOG II

Me:
Also, Mace does not capitalize the word 'shatterpoint' in his musing in the book of the same name. I couldn't find a case where he referred to the power specifically, but when used as a noun it isn't capitalized.

Which would be because you can't distinguish between the two different meanings.

If it is the former then you will have to give up, and if it is the latter then you will have to explain this:

Yes, I was referring to the novel, which is why I labelled it an "ability." And as Mr Windu notes in Shatterpoint, "Shatterpoint" is the name he personally gives his ability. Not a universally recognised word, but the name he personally gives it. As a name, it would be grammatically incorrect to not capitalise the "S." Really, basic stuff.

Either it isn't there (and you are making shit up) or it isn't there (and you are simply wrong). Take your pick.

Originally posted by BOOG II

No, it is

not! The period is only absolutely necessary when the abbreviation isn't universally recognised. Know what you are talking about, fool.

The only honorific that I could find that does not receive a period was 'Miss', mostly because it is not an abbreviation. In fact, the only rationale that I could find for excluding the period was that (and this is only in the UK/France) the 'Mr' is considered to be a contraction of the word 'Mister.' As you called it an abbreviation I'm sure that can't be your excuse. So not only are you wrong, you are even wrong in Europe. (To be wrong on two continents is serious business indeed. 😐

Originally posted by BOOG II

There is no "might" about it. It's a Force ability that allows the detection of weak spots, named after the vulnerable spots within a crystalline matrix.

Originally posted by BOOG II

[stuff I've already dealt with...]

He mentions that he could personally sense that other Jedi around him were capable of the same, just not to the same degree he was. Whether they learnt it or it came naturally to them is something Mr Windu never elaborates on.

Originally posted by BOOG II

Context is nice sometimes? Explain. That made absolutely no sense to what you were responding to.

Originally posted by BOOG II

Whut?! Where the hell did you get that idea from? Nowhere in canon has the existence of a divine being been established.

Also: You misspelled 'What' in the above segment of your post. I'm sure that your use of 'u' instead of the correct letter 'a' was an accidental keystroke. Even you aren't so ignorant as to be unaware as to the correct spelling of as simple a word as 'what.' Right?

Originally posted by BOOG II

[More stuff I've dealt with]

You know, I thought that you would have more fight in you. You've gotta be past your prime. Anyone Gideon calls 'smart' shouldn't be this pathetic.

This argument is beyond retarded. Sidious is simply beyond both of these two.

Misquoting my posts now? Just whom in the hell do you think you are? That kind of behaviour is most certainly not on. Reported. Jerk.