Originally posted by quanchi112
No,wrong. Thanos thought it would be interesting.
I've read it, that's why I said he had no defining purpose, he just thought it would be "interesting". Right, are we supposed to be interested in his involvement with such paper thin motivations?
Originally posted by quanchi112
The reason that Darkseid is still bent on the same unirsal dominating goals is because he hasn't achieved it yet. Thanos has achieved every powerup goal he sought and realized it didn't fulfill him. He has changed while Darkseid is still the same. Boring imo.
The difference is much deeper than that. When Thanos gets the IG or whatever it comes without much of a price, like getting free trading cards off a cereal box or something. What conflict or intrigue that is there does not match the magnitude of the power he has acquired i.e. it's cheap.
And what is cheaply gained can be cheaply taken away. Not so with Darkseid, his ultimate goal (in the mainstream) is likely to reorder things in the DCU for quite a while. The achievement is meaningless to the strength of the character if it is done in shallow fashion.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The rest is you talking about your love for a boring madman who believes his own lunacy. How many other villains believe they should be the one to rule over everything?Should I begin naming some examples?
You can name them until you turn blue you won't find many villains on DS playing field/level with as much intrigue or subtlety attached to them.
Guys like Thanos are written in much more ham-fisted fashion, I guess if you like brawling accompanied by meaningless posturing, Thanos' issues are right for you.
Originally posted by Mindset
Doom > DSAll day everyday.
In what way? And Doom is hardly on DS' level. I'm talking about guys at skyfather and above who play with universal powers and such. Hard to write interesting plots at that level but they manage to weave more than few intrigues with DS. There are some who are interesting at that level, but my head can only think of Vertigo's cosmics and few others.
Originally posted by AllanklesPaper thin motivations? 😂
I've read it, that's why I said he had no defining purpose, he just thought it would be "interesting". Right, are we supposed to be interested in his involvement with such paper thin motivations?The difference is much deeper than that. When Thanos gets the IG or whatever it comes without much of a price, like getting free trading cards off a cereal box or something. What conflict or intrigue that is there does not match the magnitude of the power he has acquired i.e. it's cheap.
And what is cheaply gained can be cheaply taken away. Not so with Darkseid, his ultimate goal (in the mainstream) is likely to reorder things in the DCU for quite a while. The achievement is meaningless to the strength of the character if it is done in shallow fashion.
You can name them until you turn blue you won't find many villains on DS playing field/level with as much intrigue or subtlety attached to them.
Guys like Thanos are written in much more ham-fisted fashion, I guess if you like brawling accompanied by meaningless posturing, Thanos' issues are right for you.
Seeking to control everyone is the universe is paper thin imo and overplayed. Darkseid doesn't even stand out from the pack when it comes to his goals. Thanos does and he has become supreme before and he was nihilistic before and has changed. Darkseid has not changed. Thanos has had an obsession with death while darkseid is just pure evil and wants to control the universe like everyone else out there.
He isn't making a deal with the devil who he fooled I might add,he just achieves what he seeks. He played each elder for fools.
This is all your opinion. I said there are plenty of villains out there with the same universe conquering aspirations. In that I am 100 percent correct.
Darkseid is cool,but he relies on his vast armies too much,usually fails before he achieves that which he seeks,and has been horribly slaughtered by heroes and villains alike in combat. He sleeps with concubines and then kills them while Thanos has achieved the affections of mistress death. Much cooler imo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Paper thin motivations? 😂Seeking to control everyone is the universe is paper thin imo and overplayed. Darkseid doesn't even stand out from the pack when it comes to his goals.
That makes him more realistic, there's no pretense about what he desires, this ultimately makes him a villain. Thanos is like "interesting". What was his purpose in the end?
(I'm paraphrasing)
Annhilus: You're Thanos.
Thanos: Yes
Annhilus: Shame about the infinity gauntlet.
Thanos: Yeah I was famous across the universe.
Annhilus: Work for me.
Thanos: Thanos, does not work for anyone but I will help you... for now.
I've seen better convos in newstrips.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos does and he has become supreme before and he was nihilistic before and has changed. Darkseid has not changed. Thanos has had an obsession with death while darkseid is just pure evil and wants to control the universe like everyone else out there.
Darkseid has not changed because he's a god. Gods are eternal, they have foresight, patience, endurance far in excess of lesser beings. If Darkseid changes he ceases to be Darkseid, the dark side of the Source and becomes something else.
Darkseid is both a person (Uxas) and a force of nature (the embodiment of the dark side of the Source).
Originally posted by quanchi112
He isn't making a deal with the devil who he fooled I might add,he just achieves what he seeks. He played each elder for fools.
What does this address? I'm confused. Are you referring to the IG quest? The Elders were scrubs.
Originally posted by quanchi112
This is all your opinion. I said there are plenty of villains out there with the same universe conquering aspirations. In that I am 100 percent correct.
I'm not talking about "those" villains and it doesn't change the fact that in Annhilation Wave, Thanos was written in lame fashion, his conversations with Annhilus and T & A were laughable.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid is cool,but he relies on his vast armies too much,usually fails before he achieves that which he seeks,and has been horribly slaughtered by heroes and villains alike in combat. He sleeps with concubines and then kills them while Thanos has achieved the affections of mistress death. Much cooler imo.
So he has armies? Those are the perks of being Lord of a galaxy-sized planet.
He gets slaughtered because he is handled by all manner of writers with different takes on his character. In saying that he's had more than his fair share of triumphs, comes with the job - nothing irregular there.
Thanos' minge-worshiping of Mistress Death doesn't make him cool, just shows he's a great big, purple love-sick dope in his personal life. Fluttering about doing Lady Death's bidding is not the thing to make you cool.
Originally posted by AllanklesThat is your opinion. Most really enjoyed the dynamic between the two and the story in general.
That makes him more realistic, there's no pretense about what he desires, this ultimately makes him a villain. Thanos is like "interesting". What was his purpose in the end?(I'm paraphrasing)
Annhilus: You're Thanos.
Thanos: Yes
Annhilus: Shame about the infinity gauntlet.
Thanos: Yeah I was famous across the universe.
Annhilus: Work for me.
Thanos: Thanos, does not work for anyone but I will help you... for now.I've seen better convos in newstrips.
Darkseid has not changed because he's a god. Gods are eternal, they have foresight, patience, endurance far in excess of lesser beings. If Darkseid changes he ceases to be Darkseid, the dark side of the Source and becomes something else.
Darkseid is both a person (Uxas) and a force of nature (the embodiment of the dark side of the Source).
What does this address? I'm confused. Are you referring to the IG quest? The Elders were scrubs.
I'm not talking about "those" villains and it doesn't change the fact that in Annhilation Wave, Thanos was written in lame fashion, his conversations with Annhilus and T & A were laughable.
So he has armies? Those are the perks of being Lord of a galaxy-sized planet.
He gets slaughtered because he is handled by all manner of writers with different takes on his character. In saying that he's had more than his fair share of triumphs, comes with the job - nothing irregular there.
Thanos' minge-worshiping of Mistress Death doesn't make him cool, just shows he's a great big, purple love-sick dope in his personal life. Fluttering about doing Lady Death's bidding is not the thing to make you cool.
What does being a god have to do with anything? So what if he is a god? There are enough evil gods to replace him if he ever decided to change his ways.
Darkseid isn't really a force of nature. That is your opinion and I disagree wholeheartedly. You seem to really like him and give him far too much credit imo at every turn.
The elders are not scrubs. If you recall in the avengers/jla crossover he was pretty much Metron's equal in terms of planning and such.
Again,that is your opinion. I thought Darkseid was laughable in the batman/superman comic in both appearances.
I'm just saying that Thanos doesn't need armies and in the end his accomplishments far outweigh Darkseid's.
I think obsessing over Death makes him unique while obsessing over controlling the universe makes you just part of the crowd.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is your opinion. Most really enjoyed the dynamic between the two and the story in general.
Who is "most"? A lot more people than those that read Annhilation Wave like Gossip Girl or the plethroa of retarded reality shows on TV doesn't make any of those shows quality. Thanos was a poser in Annhilation Wave and his banter with Annhilus was laughable.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What does being a god have to do with anything? So what if he is a god? There are enough evil gods to replace him if he ever decided to change his ways.
It means his mind is set in ways unlike a mortals or most other beings. How can you expect an Apokoliptan god to stop being evil or to stop seeking to rule all in the cosmos? That is who they are, it would be retarded to change that, especially when said god is the representation of primal evil.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid isn't really a force of nature. That is your opinion and I disagree wholeheartedly. You seem to really like him and give him far too much credit imo at every turn.
What the hell are you on about? When I say he's a force of nature I mean that when Uxas took his god name he became Darkseid, a being who in the lore of the Old Gods would become the most feared of all the gods. He's the representation of a concept i.e. a force of the abstract concept of evil. When I say force of nature I don't mean anything to do with power as you assumed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The elders are not scrubs. If you recall in the avengers/jla crossover he was pretty much Metron's equal in terms of planning and such.
We've already been through this, Grand master doesn't represent all the Elders and in IG he acted too late when DS had already taken 4 gems off of the other scrubs. Runner had no chance and neither did GM. Also notice that GM was written by a different writer in jla/avengers, Starlin basically turned the Elders to scrubs to push Thanos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again,that is your opinion. I thought Darkseid was laughable in the batman/superman comic in both appearances.
Which Batman/Superman, the one where he'd turned Earth into Apokolips, Supes and Bats ruling over Earth etc etc that Batman/Superman?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm just saying that Thanos doesn't need armies and in the end his accomplishments far outweigh Darkseid's.
DS is more accomplished. He's taken ultimate power before just like Thanos and has a greater body of work than Thanos. Couple this with the fact that Thanos' claim to fame involved smacking a few Elder scrubs and falling into HOTU after he'd merely looked at a well to find it. Nowhere close.
DS has Apokolpis (which he used cunning to acquire)involving several careful steps for him to take, way more intelligent and cunning in its execution than anything Thanos has to his name.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think obsessing over Death makes him unique while obsessing over controlling the universe makes you just part of the crowd.
Yes Yes! I know you think obsessing over death is cool, and seeking conquest of all things isn't. Doesn't change the fact that Thanos had no purpose for taking part in the Annhilation Wave, that's a no, no for a villain.
Originally posted by Nihilist
thanos took part in annihilation because he was bored of the same cycles of life and wondered what a radical tilt in power would do to the universe ,after all gaining the ig,cc,hotu,=ultimate power what else is there left for him to do.
What else is there left for him to do? It proves that his quests for ultimate power were pointless to him, he had no vision beyond acquiring those artifacts.
Also it is a lot easier to gain ultimate power in Thanos' universe, there ultimate power is contained in trinkets like gems and cubes. Also he can just look at a Well and find out where ultimate power lies, extremely cheap (and I'm being kind, trust me).
Originally posted by Allanklesso you believe ds will keep the ale! all that prep and he could'nt prep for batman's action.
What else is there left for him to do? It proves that his quests for ultimate power were pointless to him, he had no vision beyond acquiring those artifacts.Also it is a lot easier to gain ultimate power in Thanos' universe, there ultimate power is contained in trinkets like gems and cubes. Also he can just look at a Well and find out where ultimate power lies, extremely cheap (and I'm being kind, trust me).
as for your second statementfacepalm so everthing is harder to do in dc co's its better right.
Originally posted by Nihilist
so you believe ds will keep the ale! all that prep and he could'nt prep for batman's action.as for your second statementfacepalm so everthing is harder to do in dc co's its better right.
Batman's actions were because he put a theotoxic bullet in his utility belt. You could call that CIS as Godfrey, Goodness et al left Batman with his utility belt probably figuring a mere man couldn't hurt them.
None of those guys (the ones who captured Batman and handled the clone army project) would have expected that the weapon Darkseid used to kill Orion was in Batman's utlity belt.
I don't see how that's DS mistake.
I didn't make that statement to mean DC vs Marvel it's simply an accurate observation, it's much easier to beat people up for gems or fall into ultimate power after you've just looked at a Well, this is exclusive to Thanos. Now if you want to misinterpret me, I guess you need an excuse to use a facepalm smilie.
Are you trying to say Thanos encountered any difficulties in taking the gems or Hotu? C'mon I don't have to spell this out for you. Easy comes as easy goes, and it's clear Thanos had no vision to use the power he'd attained.
you say batman wasnt darkseid fault?
take for instance during hotu thanos kept tabs on doom,because he new he would be a potential threat and out prepped him,surley ds would have known the problem batman would cause with his intellect,and prepped accordingly
thanos had no difficulty gaining ultimate power because he was simply smarter than the people who oppossed him,that and the fact he prepped very well.
Originally posted by Nihilist
you say batman wasnt darkseid fault?
take for instance during hotu thanos kept tabs on doom,because he new he would be a potential threat and out prepped him,surley ds would have known the problem batman would cause with his intellect,and prepped accordingly
Why would Darkseid have cared about Batman in a world where he's surrounded by enemies. Second when Granny Goodness captured Batman, Darkseid's new body was being prepped by the other gods. So when did he have time to waste on Batman?
Godfrey and co. should have removed Bats utlility belt, but as I said none of them could have figured that the only weapon capable of killing DS on contact was in his utility belt.
Darkseid had no opportunity to intervene before Batman showed up with the dimension gun.
Originally posted by Nihilist
thanos had no difficulty gaining ultimate power because he was simply smarter than the people who oppossed him,that and the fact he prepped very well.
He had no difficulty because it was simple. Get inbetweeners gem Inbetweener (being a scrub) didn't even know the nature of his own body and he's supposed to have lived for centuries.
Champion destroyed a planet in his stupidity and since he had no way of travelling in space gave his gem to Thanos in exchange for being transported to a planet. Gardener, Runner et al easy.
Most of them didn't even know what the gems really were.
Starlin made the Elders look like idiots in pushing Thanos. HOTU , Thanos never prepped anywhere, he discovered Hotu by looking at a magical well.
[i]Originally posted by Allankles Why would Darkseid have cared about Batman in a world where he's surrounded by enemies. Second when Granny Goodness captured Batman, Darkseid's new body was being prepped by the other gods. So when did he have time to waste on Batman?Godfrey and co. should have removed Bats utlility belt, but as I said none of them could have figured that the only weapon capable of killing DS on contact was in his utility belt.
Darkseid had no opportunity to intervene before Batman showed up with the dimension gun.
sorry but that just sounds like poor excuses to me.
He had no difficulty because it was simple. Get inbetweeners gem Inbetweener (being a scrub) didn't even know the nature of his own body and he's supposed to have lived for centuries.Champion destroyed a planet in his stupidity and since he had no way of travelling in space gave his gem to Thanos in exchange for being transported to a planet. Gardener, Runner et al easy.
Most of them didn't even know what the gems really were.
Starlin made the Elders look like idiots in pushing Thanos. HOTU , Thanos never prepped anywhere, he discovered Hotu by looking at a magical well.
thanos chumped the grandmaster and at his own game without even using the gems,just to show how smart he was,and the grandmaster was portrayed as metron's equal in jla/avengers
thanos had been seeking to hotu openly for a while via the use of his scanners/tech,not the well that was the ig