I missed this.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Duly noted,but like I said it was very popular and your downgrade of it is laughable and pathetic. Thanos attached himself and aided an army that was hammering the marvel universe. If you want to talk about pathetic let us talk about hiding in a barn for Superman. 😂
Who downgraded anything? I have no problem with the Annhilation Wave as a whole, I'm just pointing out that as a villain Thanos had no purpose for attaching himself to Annhilus, except that it would be "interesting".
Also, I just pointed out that his convos with Annhilus and T & A were lame ego stroking affairs with Thanos coming off like a poser.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Primal evil....ok just like all the rest. Hell,I'm still not that impressed. He is a god and so is Thor,Ares,Odin,etc. It just means they are gods. Superman has punked gods and so has Thanos.
Who told you I was trying to impress you or that being a god by itself is special in comics? I was making it clear what I meant, DS represents a fundamental concept i.e. evil, the dark side of the Source this is what I meant when I said he's both a person (Uxas) and a force of nature (the embodiment of the darkness in the Source).
Originally posted by quanchi112
No,you cannot have it that way at all. Basically you want to piss and moan and claim he is a different character if starlin writes him. He isn't. When compared to Mteon GM seems an equal and when compared to Thanos he is a joke.
No. He was simply portrayed differently, you need only read the comic. In JLA/avengers he had a read on things in the IG saga he never acted until Thanos had taken four gems by the time he informed Runner it's too late.
His contest with Thanos never showed him to be especially intelligent. Without JLA/Avengers years after Starlin's Quest we wouldn't even be talking about GM's intelligence right now, that should tell you how the Elders were portrayed, they didn't even know the nature of the gems and they're the ones who found them in the first place. The only one allowed to show intelligence was Thanos in that fight, GM didn't counter or have a plan of his own only Thanos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The one where he hid in a barn and the one where batman caused him to bleed. Both humiliating showings imo.
So we're not talking about the same issue. Yeah! That was a pathetic depiction of Darkseid.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Darkseid taken ultimate power? When?
ALE - control of all sentient life. SFE - allows him to dominate the Source itself, which puts him well above god wave Ares.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos doesn't need a whole planet of mindless worshippers to accomplish what Darkseid has. .
Here you're wrong. How would he attack and defeat New Genesis or fight the Green Lantern Corps or destroy advanced alien civilizations and their gods without an army?
Thanos' few claims to fame were always under controlled environments one on one or just falling into HOTU or whatever, DS wouldn't need an army for that either.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Worshipping death is different than being pure evil. Pure evil is like every other villain out there.
Compelling argument. 🙄 Darkseid is a villain because his desires come first above all other considerations it makes him a prick, a liar, a murderer, a conqueror... a lot of things.
He doesn't care to justify himself to anyone that makes him a villain, a villain can be likeable or otherwise what matters is that they have definition (their goals, their purpose, their motivations need to be strong) if not, you look like Thanos in Annhilation Wave.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhy didn't he just easily do this to Orion or Superman.
DS just omega Sanctions Thanos. BFR him mind, body and soul into a reality where he dies a horrible death and then he is forced to relive this by dying again and again in varied but always tragic ways.
If he cannot easily do this to them when he needs to he doesn't do it to Thanos especially with the power gem.
Originally posted by AllanklesYes,and that was the reason given. So,again I fail to see your point. Thanos has grown tired and bored of finding powerups and until further notice won't be looking for any o fthem anytime soon.
I missed this.Who downgraded anything? I have no problem with the Annhilation Wave as a whole, I'm just pointing out that as a villain Thanos had no purpose for attaching himself to Annhilus, except that it would be "interesting".
Also, I just pointed out that his convos with Annhilus and T & A were lame ego stroking affairs with Thanos coming off like a poser.
Who told you I was trying to impress you or that being a god by itself is special in comics? I was making it clear what I meant, DS represents a fundamental concept i.e. evil, the dark side of the Source this is what I meant when I said he's both a person (Uxas) and a force of nature (the embodiment of the darkness in the Source).
No. He was simply portrayed differently, you need only read the comic. In JLA/avengers he had a read on things in the IG saga he never acted until Thanos had taken four gems by the time he informed Runner it's too late.
His contest with Thanos never showed him to be especially intelligent. Without JLA/Avengers years after Starlin's Quest we wouldn't even be talking about GM's intelligence right now, that should tell you how the Elders were portrayed, they didn't even know the nature of the gems and they're the ones who found them in the first place. The only one allowed to show intelligence was Thanos in that fight, GM didn't counter or have a plan of his own only Thanos.
So we're not talking about the same issue. Yeah! That was a pathetic depiction of Darkseid.
ALE - control of all sentient life. SFE - allows him to dominate the Source itself, which puts him well above god wave Ares.
Here you're wrong. How would he attack and defeat New Genesis or fight the Green Lantern Corps or destroy advanced alien civilizations and their gods without an army?
Thanos' few claims to fame were always under controlled environments one on one or just falling into HOTU or whatever, DS wouldn't need an army for that either.
Compelling argument. 🙄 Darkseid is a villain because his desires come first above all other considerations it makes him a prick, a liar, a murderer, a conqueror... a lot of things.
He doesn't care to justify himself to anyone that makes him a villain, a villain can be likeable or otherwise what matters is that they have definition (their goals, their purpose, their motivations need to be strong) if not, you look like Thanos in Annhilation Wave.
Yes,your opinion comes off as one who tried to convince someone that Thanos isn't Darkseid's superior in all fashions when I know that simply is the case.
Darkseid isn't the dark side of the force the ale is. 🙄
It is still the same character. You just want to try to disregard it because Thanos played him for a fool while in the jla arc he and Metron were equals. Its all canon bro.
GM tried to cheat and would have come across as more intelligent had Thanos decided to actually compete against him. Thanos beat him outright in a game of wits. That is usually the case in the end when anyone pits their wits against Thanos.
Yes,it was rather pathetic and is still canon.
Yes,it does,but when they both sought out the godwave Ares proved he outprepped Darkseid. Ha!
Thanos has destroyed far more by himself than the gl corps. Pick up the ig and find out who he decimated in battle.
Ds would never be in those situations because he continually comes up short.
Ds is a villain and so is Thanos. Thanos sometimes plays the role of anti hero and saves the day,hell the universe while Darkseid is still trying to dominate the universe.
When Darkseid catches up to Thanos in terms of accomplishments and what not we can talk.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,and that was the reason given. So,again I fail to see your point. Thanos has grown tired and bored of finding powerups and until further notice won't be looking for any o fthem anytime soon.
He's grown tired and bored of playing Indian Jones with scrubs like the Elders, it happens. Just don't pretend that Darkseid takes power for power's sake like Thanos. Darkseid has a mission, which is to order all thing in his image, eternally. Thanos is just an artifact robber with no vision beyond acquiring said artifacts.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,your opinion comes off as one who tried to convince someone that Thanos isn't Darkseid's superior in all fashions when I know that simply is the case.
What? It's obvious Darkseid is more powerful, has more powers can do many more things with his powers. This isn't relevant to the point I'm making though.
But just to be clear an Omega Sanction from DS is all it would take and Thanos is sent into into realities where he suffers an infinite amount of tragic lives each ending in a horrible death.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid isn't the dark side of the force the ale is. 🙄
This was from the Source itself, Darkseid represent the negative energy of the Source. He explained this to the Spectre after he tried to destroy DS and failed when DS was reconfigured by the Source.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is still the same character. You just want to try to disregard it because Thanos played him for a fool while in the jla arc he and Metron were equals. Its all canon bro.
I never said anything about him being a different character I'm just pointing out the facts without JLA/AVENGERS we wouldn't be talking about GM's intelligence. He never showed any of the same qualities in the IG saga: fact.
Originally posted by quanchi112
GM tried to cheat and would have come across as more intelligent had Thanos decided to actually compete against him. Thanos beat him outright in a game of wits. That is usually the case in the end when anyone pits their wits against Thanos.
I don't see how their fighting was a game of wits. And GM should have stuck to the rules of engagement, as gaming and wagers are his forte.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,it was rather pathetic and is still canon.
It also doesn't matter to me, since I wasn't talking about that issue.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,it does,but when they both sought out the godwave Ares proved he outprepped Darkseid. Ha!
And? DS trapped Ares with the god wave using tech. And he acquired more power later which was my point. I don't care to discuss what he never acquired.
You don't see me talking about how Mar-Vell easily ruined Thanos plan with the Cosmic Cube do you? I'm talking about how the Elder's were scrubs and how Hotu invovled falling into a well of power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has destroyed far more by himself than the gl corps. Pick up the ig and find out who he decimated in battle.
Again, how did he acquire the IG? It wasn't something DS would have needed armies to get. Let Inbetweener own himself. Let the non space-travelling Champion own himself. With two or more gems own Gardener take his gem own the other two etc etc
Doesn't take that much brain power or armies to accomplish. However fighting the GL Corps with the Guardians without cheap power ups would need a considerable military force that's how it is for DS.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds would never be in those situations because he continually comes up short..
Wow! DS wouldn't let Champion own himself? He wouldn't let Inbetweener own himself? He wouldn't own Gardener with two gems when Gardener didn't even know the power of the time gem? The collector, runner? with 3 or 4 infinity gems to one of their own which they didn't even understand?
These were one-on-one battles apparently no one in Marvel knows the gems are ultimate power except Thanos.
Don't lie to yourself. There are so many guys who would have achieved the same with the Elders owning themselves and being scrubs in general.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds is a villain and so is Thanos. Thanos sometimes plays the role of anti hero and saves the day,hell the universe while Darkseid is still trying to dominate the universe.
Yeah! Like DS didn't save the universe in COIE against the Anti-Monitor or in OWAW when he channeled the power to transport Imperiex to the beginning of creation.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When Darkseid catches up to Thanos in terms of accomplishments and what not we can talk.
Ho! Ho! Ho! Thanos is a relatively fringe character in Marvel who acquired a few cheap power ups. In the final analysis he's not as important in the Marvel U as DS is in DC.
When Thanos has a comparable body of work then he can stop having to be written like a poser in the big event stories that are actually decent (like Annhilation Wave)
Originally posted by AllanklesWhat?
He's grown tired and bored of playing Indian Jones with scrubs like the Elders, it happens. Just don't pretend that Darkseid takes power for power's sake like Thanos. Darkseid has a mission, which is to order all thing in his image, eternally. Thanos is just an artifact robber with no vision beyond acquiring said artifacts.What? It's obvious Darkseid is more powerful, has more powers can do many more things with his powers. This isn't relevant to the point I'm making though.
But just to be clear an Omega Sanction from DS is all it would take and Thanos is sent into into realities where he suffers an infinite amount of tragic lives each ending in a horrible death.
This was from the Source itself, Darkseid represent the negative energy of the Source. He explained this to the Spectre after he tried to destroy DS and failed when DS was reconfigured by the Source.
I never said anything about him being a different character I'm just pointing out the facts without JLA/AVENGERS we wouldn't be talking about GM's intelligence. He never showed any of the same qualities in the IG saga: fact.
I don't see how their fighting was a game of wits. And GM should have stuck to the rules of engagement, as gaming and wagers are his forte.
It also doesn't matter to me, since I wasn't talking about that issue.
And? DS trapped Ares with the god wave using tech. And he acquired more power later which was my point. I don't care to discuss what he never acquired.
You don't see me talking about how Mar-Vell easily ruined Thanos plan with the Cosmic Cube do you? I'm talking about how the Elder's were scrubs and how Hotu invovled falling into a well of power.
Again, how did he acquire the IG? It wasn't something DS would have needed armies to get. Let Inbetweener own himself. Let the non space-travelling Champion own himself. With two or more gems own Gardener take his gem own the other two etc etc
Doesn't take that much brain power or armies to accomplish. However fighting the GL Corps with the Guardians without cheap power ups would need a considerable military force that's how it is for DS.
Wow! DS wouldn't let Champion own himself? He wouldn't let Inbetweener own himself? He wouldn't own Gardener with two gems when Gardener didn't even know the power of the time gem? The collector, runner? with 3 or 4 infinity gems to one of their own which they didn't even understand?
These were one-on-one battles apparently no one in Marvel knows the gems are ultimate power except Thanos.
Don't lie to yourself. There are so many guys who would have achieved the same with the Elders owning themselves and being scrubs in general.
Yeah! Like DS didn't save the universe in COIE against the Anti-Monitor or in OWAW when he channeled the power to transport Imperiex to the beginning of creation.
Ho! Ho! Ho! Thanos is a relatively fringe character in Marvel who acquired a few cheap power ups. In the final analysis he's not as important in the Marvel U as DS is in DC.
When Thanos has a comparable body of work then he can stop having to be written like a poser in the big event stories that are actually decent (like Annhilation Wave)
Darkseid wants to rule the universe and that is his only vision. Thanos had goals and objectives when he acquired his powerups. Do you think he just acquired the ig for the helluva it?
Darkseid is not more powerful. The classic version anyways. I haven't read enough of fc to see where his current power level is at.
No,it isn't. This happened in one story and there have been stories since where he couldn't even easily deal with Superman let alone Thanos who is leagues above him.
Ds isn't the dark side of the source he represents it like izaya represented the other side.
It is the same character and he was written as extremely intelligent in that arc,its just that Thanos beat him at his own game.
How wasn't it a game of wits. Gm cheated to win and Thanos still foresaw this and won in the end.
That issue is still apart of Ds's history.
Yes,ds reacted after ares beat him to the godwave. He lost when ares acquired it and later turned to the defensive.
The elders weren't scrubs they were when compared to Thanos and his intellect though. Thanos put himself in the right situation and because of life experiences did what ak took centuries to accomplish.
Darkseid wouldn't put himself in harms way. That is the thing. He would never even attempt the thanos quest on his own.
The only reason Darkseid managed to defeat the lanterns was because of desaad and his discovery of the yellow weakness. Raker still handed Darkseid his ass on the battlefield.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What?Darkseid wants to rule the universe and that is his only vision. Thanos had goals and objectives when he acquired his powerups. Do you think he just acquired the ig for the helluva it?.
He doesn't want to merely rule he wants to recreate existence. Thanos had no real purpose for acquiring the IG, he doesn't even feel he should rule.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid is not more powerful. The classic version anyways. I haven't read enough of fc to see where his current power level is at.
DS has better power feats than Thanos. And he has the omega sanction, and the Omega force which gives him control over oblivion, shadow demons etc etc
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds isn't the dark side of the source he represents it like izaya represented the other side.
As the Source told Spectre Darkseid's existence maintains the balance, he embodies the negative energy of the Source. Darkseid as often alluded to the idea that part of what he does is simply ingrained in his nature.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is the same character and he was written as extremely intelligent in that arc,its just that Thanos beat him at his own game.
His intelligence never manifested in the IG saga. He accepted a duel with Thanos and lost because he cheated reneging on the deal and subsequently falling for the old switcheroo tactic, allowing Thanos to win on two counts.
He never showed anything remotely similar to his jla/avengers portrayal. Thanos' tactics by themselves were not remarkable he simply showed a degree of intelligence and cunning where GM just plain didn't.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How wasn't it a game of wits. Gm cheated to win and Thanos still foresaw this and won in the end.
GM's cheating showed no wit. And it was ultimately a physical battle (at least represented as such), don't need much wit for that. Thanos cheated better, GM showed none of the intelligence he showed in JLA/Avengers I don't need to convince anyone of that, just look at the comics.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That issue is still apart of Ds's history.
And? You honestly think I care about abnormal portrayals?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,ds reacted after ares beat him to the godwave. He lost when ares acquired it and later turned to the defensive.
Pointless?
Originally posted by quanchi112
The elders weren't scrubs they were when compared to Thanos and his intellect though. Thanos put himself in the right situation and because of life experiences did what ak took centuries to accomplish.
The Elders were as scrubby as scrubby gets. Owning themselves, succumbing to juvenile tactics (Champion) and worst of all not even knowing the nature of the gems they had acquired.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid wouldn't put himself in harms way. That is the thing. He would never even attempt the thanos quest on his own.
For DS ultimate power has never been a fist or a juvenile taunt away. If he had to deal with a dummy like Champion or Inbetweener he'd have taken the gems without a sweat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The only reason Darkseid managed to defeat the lanterns was because of desaad and his discovery of the yellow weakness. Raker still handed Darkseid his ass on the battlefield.
Are you trying to be dense? I don't care whether DS owned the Lanterns I'm just pointing out that in his situations in DC, he needs armies.
And Raker didn't even scratch DS, how the hell did he own him?
Originally posted by AllanklesIs recreating existence supposed to impress me? Thanos was summoned to accomplish a goal in thinning the universe's population and he did just that.
He doesn't want to merely rule he wants to recreate existence. Thanos had no real purpose for acquiring the IG, he doesn't even feel he should rule.DS has better power feats than Thanos. And he has the omega sanction, and the Omega force which gives him control over oblivion, shadow demons etc etc
As the Source told Spectre Darkseid's existence maintains the balance, he embodies the negative energy of the Source. Darkseid as often alluded to the idea that part of what he does is simply ingrained in his nature.
His intelligence never manifested in the IG saga. He accepted a duel with Thanos and lost because he cheated reneging on the deal and subsequently falling for the old switcheroo tactic, allowing Thanos to win on two counts.
He never showed anything remotely similar to his jla/avengers portrayal. Thanos' tactics by themselves were not remarkable he simply showed a degree of intelligence and cunning where GM just plain didn't.
GM's cheating showed no wit. And it was ultimately a physical battle (at least represented as such), don't need much wit for that. Thanos cheated better, GM showed none of the intelligence he showed in JLA/Avengers I don't need to convince anyone of that, just look at the comics.
And? You honestly think I care about abnormal portrayals?
Pointless?
The Elders were as scrubby as scrubby gets. Owning themselves, succumbing to juvenile tactics (Champion) and worst of all not even knowing the nature of the gems they had acquired.
For DS ultimate power has never been a fist or a juvenile taunt away. If he had to deal with a dummy like Champion or Inbetweener he'd have taken the gems without a sweat.
Are you trying to be dense? I don't care whether DS owned the Lanterns I'm just pointing out that in his situations in DC, he needs armies.
And Raker didn't even scratch DS, how the hell did he own him?
Name them. Struggling with Superman shows how he is nowhere near Thanos and his power level.
Yes,he represents the darker aspects,but isn't anywhere near its power such as the ale which is the dark side itself of the source.
Really? So he was just some lucky brick who found the gems and challenged the very universe? LOL indeed. Orion was all the source needed to negate Darkseid's power play. That was it.
It is still the same character(Grand Master) and in superman/batman Darkseid didn't display any intelligence whatsoever when he hid in a barn waiting for Superman. he was then duped into thinking he killed supergirl when he did no such thing. Intelligence indeed.
Different writers give us the stories and every story is a part of a character's history until its retconned. You have to accept it all and can't say well the Grandmaster is a genius accept when he meets up with Thanos. That is an excuse and a pathetic one at that.
The point is Ares was his better in his quest for the godwave. he was beaten while no one has beaten Thanos to a powerup.
No,they were not. Thanos outschemed them all. Gm was waiting for him at the end and he ended up being the last to fall victim to Thanos and his treachery.
Darkseid has had close to ultimate power and he lost it very quickly when Orion was summoned. It isn't tha hard to deal with him despite all his planning.
Darkseid needs an army while Thanos doesn't. Thanos has made a clone as powerful as Galactus and one that almost overtook asgard itself which is much more impressive than new genesis.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Is recreating existence supposed to impress me? Thanos was summoned to accomplish a goal in thinning the universe's population and he did just that.
Who cares if it impresses you? I'm pointing out the fact that he isn't about ruling but recreating all life in his image. I don't really care what Thanos does with Hotu his motivations are always boring by comparison.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Name them. Struggling with Superman shows how he is nowhere near Thanos and his power level.
Be more current, his shadow demons have been shown to be able to engulf anything, and he easily took care of Supes the last few occasions they met at normal power levels.
Omega Sanction - warp Thanos into realities where he lives and infinite number of tragic lives, each ending in a horrible death - apparently he calls it "The death that is life".
His best telepathic displays trump Thanos.
He can bend time to his will (did it in one story where he was growing clones). In FC he basically altered time on Earth, squeezing months into weeks.
Resurrecting people at will. Defeating entire pantheons of gods. Depowering skyfathers.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,he represents the darker aspects,but isn't anywhere near its power such as the ale which is the dark side itself of the source..
Whatever but way to miss my point, genius. Last I checked, I never claimed it had anything to do with power but his nature (a big part of why he is the way he is) and his significance to the Source.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Really? So he was just some lucky brick who found the gems and challenged the very universe? LOL indeed.
You've something against bricks?
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is still the same character(Grand Master) and in superman/batman Darkseid didn't display any intelligence whatsoever when he hid in a barn waiting for Superman. he was then duped into thinking he killed supergirl when he did no such thing. Intelligence indeed.
Wut! I've not shown any interest in discussing that abnormal portrayal of DS in that Superman/Batman issue I was talking about another issue.
You see, I'm reasonable enough to at least recognize when a character isn't being portrayed the same. Like GM in IG being less intelligent than he was in Jla/avengers. I don't have to say anymore than what is shown in the comics. Remember JLa came years after IG, the difference is quite evident.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Different writers give us the stories and every story is a part of a character's history until its retconned. You have to accept it all and can't say well the Grandmaster is a genius accept when he meets up with Thanos. That is an excuse and a pathetic one at that.
Wrong. Jla/avengers came after IG, and if he wasn't portrayed the same, he wasn't portrayed the same. That's not an excuse its hard fact. He never did anything in IG to warrant being called a genius, however he was portrayed as such in jla/avengers. I don't need to sugar coat that to support your Thanos wanking.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is Ares was his better in his quest for the godwave. he was beaten while no one has beaten Thanos to a powerup.
And? As you said different writers, different characters. No one with any kind of sense makes comparison's off of one single little event in one story. DS has a bigger body of work than Thanos. He's going to have more triumphs and also more losses.
And at the end of that story he trapped god wave Ares with tech. "Loss and triumph in the same story? What a novel idea".😱
Originally posted by quanchi112
No,they were not. Thanos outschemed them all. Gm was waiting for him at the end and he ended up being the last to fall victim to Thanos and his treachery.
How can he have outschemed them when none but Thanos was scheming? Did Inbetweener scheme or Champion or Gardener? And GM did nothing but tell Runner what to expect. Hardly what would classify as scheming.
And Thanos' scheming didn't extend beyond organizing the order he would face them, though the comic never even made it clear whether Thanos had even planned that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid has had close to ultimate power and he lost it very quickly when Orion was summoned. It isn't tha hard to deal with him despite all his planning.
K.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid needs an army while Thanos doesn't. Thanos has made a clone as powerful as Galactus and one that almost overtook asgard itself which is much more impressive than new genesis.
Thanos doesn't deal with the kind of heavy stuff Darkseid deals with. Having to fend off characters one on one hardly requires armies. Thanos has no natural enemies, save Drax.
Since when is Asgard more imprssive than New Genesis? These are people with computers that can rewrite the laws of space-time and where even the lowliest gods can create their own universes. Really, read up on the New Gods.
Originally posted by AllanklesYou keep forgetting to put imo. The fact of the matter is Thanos has changed as a character while darkseid has not.
Who cares if it impresses you? I'm pointing out the fact that he isn't about ruling but recreating all life in his image. I don't really care what Thanos does with Hotu his motivations are always boring by comparison.Be more current, his shadow demons have been shown to be able to engulf anything, and he easily took care of Supes the last few occasions they met at normal power levels.
Omega Sanction - warp Thanos into realities where he lives and infinite number of tragic lives, each ending in a horrible death - apparently he calls it "The death that is life".
His best telepathic displays trump Thanos.
He can bend time to his will (did it in one story where he was growing clones). In FC he basically altered time on Earth, squeezing months into weeks.
Resurrecting people at will. Defeating entire pantheons of gods. Depowering skyfathers.Whatever but way to miss my point, genius. Last I checked, I never claimed it had anything to do with power but his nature (a big part of why he is the way he is) and his significance to the Source.
You've something against bricks?
Wut! I've not shown any interest in discussing that abnormal portrayal of DS in that Superman/Batman issue I was talking about another issue.
You see, I'm reasonable enough to at least recognize when a character isn't being portrayed the same. Like GM in IG being less intelligent than he was in Jla/avengers. I don't have to say anymore than what is shown in the comics. Remember JLa came years after IG, the difference is quite evident.
Wrong. Jla/avengers came after IG, and if he wasn't portrayed the same, he wasn't portrayed the same. That's not an excuse its hard fact. He never did anything in IG to warrant being called a genius, however he was portrayed as such in jla/avengers. I don't need to sugar coat that to support your Thanos wanking.
And? As you said different writers, different characters. No one with any kind of sense makes comparison's off of one single little event in one story. DS has a bigger body of work than Thanos. He's going to have more triumphs and also more losses.
And at the end of that story he trapped god wave Ares with tech. "Loss and triumph in the same story? What a novel idea".😱
How can he have outschemed them when none but Thanos was scheming? Did Inbetweener scheme or Champion or Gardener? And GM did nothing but tell Runner what to expect. Hardly what would classify as scheming.
And Thanos' scheming didn't extend beyond organizing the order he would face them, though the comic never even made it clear whether Thanos had even planned that.
K.
Thanos doesn't deal with the kind of heavy stuff Darkseid deals with. Having to fend off characters one on one hardly requires armies. Thanos has no natural enemies, save Drax.
Since when is Asgard more imprssive than New Genesis? These are people with computers that can rewrite the laws of space-time and where even the lowliest gods can create their own universes. Really, read up on the New Gods.
The last two times Darkseid met Superman on the battlefield he handled it like so. In the superman/batman arc he fled the scene after Superman rocked him. In countdown 3 Darkseid showed he couldn't defeat him on his own and needed olsen to use k-nite to put down the man of steel.
When has Darkseid done this to anyone on Thanos' level? He failed to do it to Superman and Orion so how does he pull it off in this scenario?
What are his best telepathic feats?
In fc his power levels seem to have grown but his classic levels were top tier level.
What pantheons of gods did he defeat? Any scans? Which skyfather did he depower?
No need to insult. So what if he represents the darker aspects of the source. Who cares? It doesn't make him any more powerful and shows he is fulfilling a role.
I meant to say prick. Thanos achieved his powerups and succeeded. Don't fault the man for being successful.
I know you do not want to discuss it because it is a low showing. You want to discuss gds,off panel nonsense,and other showings that aren't even canon to him.
Who cares? There are different writers and they make up both universes. We do not just get to pick and choose which showings we count. You seem to want to disregard all of Darkseid's low showings and praise his high ones. Like I said it doesn't work that way.
Gm is still gm. Thanos pwned him while he and Metron were equals who got their desires. Thanos could easily pwn Metron imo based on how he matched up with GM. He is well beneath Thanos and proven. Its canon bro.
Ds has had more appearances while Thanos has done bigger and better things in less appearances. Thanos does not go around hiding in barns stalking superheroes. He doesn't fall down the steps when he loses his power. Thanos wouldn't let a brick with no intelligence destroy his planet and then himself like Darkseid in hunter and prey. They are not even close in terms of power and accomplishment.
Darkseid and the others defeated Ares the true villain of the story because Darkseid had to form an alliance when Ares got the better of him. Ares also managed to kill Izaya in the same story. 😱
He tricked them both. Haven't you ever heard of onesided prep? GM knew he was coming as did the runner and they still failed.
What? Drax,Silver Surfer,Kronos,etc. Thanos would have conquered new genesis years ago if he were in Darkseid's place.
Odin can affect the multiverse. He created armor and a hemmer that ran Galactus off. The new gods fell to the Infinity Man who seemed no more powerful than Gog from the jsa arc. They were all getting picked off easily while Gog made the Iman turn tail and run.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You keep forgetting to put imo. The fact of the matter is Thanos has changed as a character while darkseid has not.The last two times Darkseid met Superman on the battlefield he handled it like so. In the superman/batman arc he fled the scene after Superman rocked him. In countdown 3 Darkseid showed he couldn't defeat him on his own and needed olsen to use k-nite to put down the man of steel.
Your rebuttals are looking flimsier and flimsier.
The most recent times they engaged. DS was killing Supes with his shadow demon power and Superman said and I quote: "once again, I've underestimated Darkseid's power".
This is where Supes knew he was going to die and would have if not for Miracle intervening with the ALE.
In Countdown he told Supes he was an annoyance and took care of Big blue efficiently, that's what smart people do. Those are the most recent encounters they've had at typical power levels.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Darkseid done this to anyone on Thanos' level? He failed to do it to Superman and Orion so how does he pull it off in this scenario?
What is Thanos level? Because all Thanos has is his shields and high end energy soak. Beyond that powerful, mostly concussive energy blasts. These are his only powers that would factor in a fight with DS.
They don't present anything shadow demons in full force couldn't overwhelm or better yet getting warped by the Omega Sanction which he's used on two occasions most notably in Seven Soldiers if he it Supes or Orion with them they'd be screwed.
What are his best telepathic feats?
Originally posted by quanchi112
In fc his power levels seem to have grown but his classic levels were top tier level.
He could already bend time before FC.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What pantheons of gods did he defeat? Any scans? Which skyfather did he depower?
You think by asking me the questions you're making a point? You should be familiar with the character's better portrayals before deciding to debate. He's defeated the Earth Pantheons in FC and before, he's raided Olympus and has had the Greek gods scared.
Beyond that he is noted as having destroyed countless other pantheons in alien worlds and absorbed their power, forcing the Earth gods and New Genesis to band together against him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Who cares? There are different writers and they make up both universes. We do not just get to pick and choose which showings we count. You seem to want to disregard all of Darkseid's low showings and praise his high ones. Like I said it doesn't work that way.
Low showings, high showings, it doesn't matter. As that wasn't what prompted this argument.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Gm is still gm. Thanos pwned him while he and Metron were equals who got their desires. Thanos could easily pwn Metron imo based on how he matched up with GM. He is well beneath Thanos and proven. Its canon bro.
Think whatever you like, the GM Thanos faced wasn't portrayed with same intellect as in jla/avengers. I doubt Thanos could pwn Metron in a forum setting.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds has had more appearances while Thanos has done bigger and better things in less appearances.
By bigger and better you mean the non-event that was Hotu or stealing a couple gems form scrubs. Really. DS has Apokolips with more man power and tech than Thanos would know what do with.
He's taken his fair share of power ups, the SFE and ALE. He's conquered and subjegated countless civilizations through the eons and has destroyed several pantheons of gods in said civilizations. Thanos is content to play bus boy for lady death after a few Indiana Jones treks in space. He comes nowhere close in terms of accomplishmnents.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What? Drax,Silver Surfer,Kronos,etc. Thanos would have conquered new genesis years ago if he were in Darkseid's place.
Drax, Silver Surfer and Kronos, would require armies? 😬 The rest of that statement is meaningless and unquantifiable. Without Thanos being subjected to the intrigues and counterplots DS experiences with Highfather, how can you argue for such a statement? Thanos plays in a more shallow pool, especially if you're talking the IG, CC or Hotu.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin can affect the multiverse. He created armor and a hemmer that ran Galactus off. The new gods fell to the Infinity Man who seemed no more powerful than Gog from the jsa arc. They were all getting picked off easily while Gog made the Iman turn tail and run.
Odin can affect the multiverse? You're talking about the Seth fight? DS and Orion had a battle that stretched through all of creation when DS was trying to taint the Source.
Beyond that, his fall after his death is doing more than Odin and Seth he's literally dragging the mutliverse into his own singularity.
New Genesis have so much more dangerous technology in a forum battle there's no way Asgard is more impressive. Again New Genesis gods spend their free time contemplating their godhood and creating twisted universes of their own.
In a forum fight Thanos would get curbstomped by New Genesis.
They each have MB's which can rewrite the laws of space-time and can do way more stuff like matter manip etc they are also said to contain the number of god. An MB in Batman's possession allowed him to survive blows from DS that would otherwise have shattered his body.
Originally posted by AllanklesShadow demons aren't Darkseid. Ds when matched up with him couldn't beat him on his own. He used jimmy olsen but cannot do that in a forum fight. On his own superman is a rival and Ds's own words have confirmed as much.
Your rebuttals are looking flimsier and flimsier.The most recent times they engaged. DS was killing Supes with his shadow demon power and Superman said and I quote: "once again, I've underestimated Darkseid's power".
This is where Supes knew he was going to die and would have if not for Miracle intervening with the ALE.
In Countdown he told Supes he was an annoyance and took care of Big blue efficiently, that's what smart people do. Those are the most recent encounters they've had at typical power levels.
What is Thanos level? Because all Thanos has is his shields and high end energy soak. Beyond that powerful, mostly concussive energy blasts. These are his only powers that would factor in a fight with DS.
They don't present anything shadow demons in full force couldn't overwhelm or better yet getting warped by the Omega Sanction which he's used on two occasions most notably in Seven Soldiers if he it Supes or Orion with them they'd be screwed.
What are his best telepathic feats?
He could already bend time before FC.
You think by asking me the questions you're making a point? You should be familiar with the character's better portrayals before deciding to debate. He's defeated the Earth Pantheons in FC and before, he's raided Olympus and has had the Greek gods scared.
Beyond that he is noted as having destroyed countless other pantheons in alien worlds and absorbed their power, forcing the Earth gods and New Genesis to band together against him.
Low showings, high showings, it doesn't matter. As that wasn't what prompted this argument.
Think whatever you like, the GM Thanos faced wasn't portrayed with same intellect as in jla/avengers. I doubt Thanos could pwn Metron in a forum setting.
By bigger and better you mean the non-event that was Hotu or stealing a couple gems form scrubs. Really. DS has Apokolips with more man power and tech than Thanos would know what do with.
He's taken his fair share of power ups, the SFE and ALE. He's conquered and subjegated countless civilizations through the eons and has destroyed several pantheons of gods in said civilizations. Thanos is content to play bus boy for lady death after a few Indiana Jones treks in space. He comes nowhere close in terms of accomplishmnents.
Drax, Silver Surfer and Kronos, would require armies? 😬 The rest of that statement is meaningless and unquantifiable. Without Thanos being subjected to the intrigues and counterplots DS experiences with Highfather, how can you argue for such a statement? Thanos plays in a more shallow pool, especially if you're talking the IG, CC or Hotu.
Odin can affect the multiverse? You're talking about the Seth fight? DS and Orion had a battle that stretched through all of creation when DS was trying to taint the Source.
Beyond that, his fall after his death is doing more than Odin and Seth he's literally dragging the mutliverse into his own singularity.
New Genesis have so much more dangerous technology in a forum battle there's no way Asgard is more impressive. Again New Genesis gods spend their free time contemplating their godhood and creating twisted universes of their own.
In a forum fight Thanos would get curbstomped by New Genesis.
They each have MB's which can rewrite the laws of space-time and can do way more stuff like matter manip etc they are also said to contain the number of god. An MB in Batman's possession allowed him to survive blows from DS that would otherwise have shattered his body.
If ds was so smart why didn't he defeat superman immediately instead of getting hammered around the place? Ds used his advantage because on his own he was in for the fight of his life. 🙂
Thanos can beat the piss out of top tiers and has done so to the surfer and quite easily. He even traded blows with Thor and the power gem proving he is well above a top tier while Darkseid cannot make that claim.
Ok,but who else has Darkseid omega sanctioned on Thanos' level?
Thanos has beaten Moondragon,raped the fallen one's mind,and raped the mid of the maker.
Yes,but he cannot seem to defeat Superman or even know when his omega beams fail miserably like when he thought they hit supergirl. If you continually get shown up against a top tier you lose your cred. In theory Darkseid is more powerful,but when he matches up with characters he can't even seem t be able to defeat Superman on his own anymore.
Any of this happen on panel? Most of it is with prep and his army I assume.
Yes,more off panel nonsense with no weight to it. Beating nameless pantheons off panel. Wow,who cares?
All showings count,you seem to have a hard time grasping that.
Same character bro. You cannot just have jla grandmaster and totally try to downplay him in thanos quest because you're upset Thanos pwned him. Grow up.
What? Thanos has become supreme before. Thanos fdoesn't need an army to do so. When Darkseid had usurped the source's power he was easily ran off by Orion. With all the planning he does it seems easy to stop him because it is. Thanos usually involves the universe rallying together while Darkseid loses his advantage when Superman intercedes.
Most of Darkseid's lofty goals have been colossal failures and the others are laughable off panel feats.
Ds needs help while Thanos doesn't.
Kronos is the god of time. Do you even know who he is?
What? Thanos has matched wits with Adam warlock who shits all over Izaya. Izaya was also easily killed by Ares. Ares outmanuevered seid and izaya in the same story. Every way you look Thanos wins hands down.
Ds and Orion were tapping into a power source and it wasn't under their own power. Ds has been smashed by Superman while Orion oneshots top tiers. Totally different league of power.
Dude,Doomsday showed up and easily crushed apokolips. For all their impressive tech a brick crushed them all by himself.
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Thanos has created clones that could eradicate both of these planets if they were turned on these planets. I mean doomsday di dby himself and is a moron.
Originally posted by BadabingSame result would happen. They would be on the ground helpless at the end of this thing just like logan.
Thanos is a cream puff with the power gem. Heh, Logan was able to dig his claws into Thanos while he had the power gem. I would hate to see what DS, DD and Orion are capable of doing. shocklaugh