Doomsday, Darkseid, Orion vs Thanos w/ Power Gem

Originally posted by Nihilist
sorry but that just sounds like poor excuses to me.

Whatever. I'm just pointing out the facts if you read FC you know that DS is out of commission in fc 2, 3 and much of 4 (where he is getting his new body) there was no way he would have known Bats had the single bullet he'd used to kill Orion in his U belt.

No way to monitor Bats or take care of his belt, that job was for Simyan, Mokkari and other gods in charge of the cloning project that back fired. It was Goodness who captured Bats, Simyan and Mokkari who dealt with him after, DS' was prepping his new body at the time.

Originally posted by Nihilist
thanos chumped the grandmaster and at his own game without even using the gems,just to show how smart he was,and the grandmaster was portrayed as metron's equal in jla/avengers

You can't use jla/avengers since GM was totally different in the IG quest. He reneged on the rules of engagement and lost, if anything he should have been smarter, given that wagers and games are his MO.

Originally posted by Nihilist
thanos had been seeking to hotu openly for a while via the use of his scanners/tech,not the well that was the ig

So, does that make it any less simple?

[i]Originally posted by Allankles Whatever. I'm just pointing out the facts if you read FC you know that DS is out of commission in fc 2, 3 and much of 4 (where he is getting his new body) there was no way he would have known Bats had the single bullet he'd used to kill Orion in his U belt.

No way to monitor Bats or take care of his belt, that job was for Simyan, Mokkari and other gods in charge of the cloning project that back fired. It was Goodness who captured Bats, Simyan and Mokkari who dealt with him after, DS' was prepping his new body at the time.

i've read all FC it seem like very poor prep work on darkseids part,he should of been more thorough with his planning and who he put in charge,ie bad management,leadership what ever you want to call it 😂

You can't use jla/avengers since GM was totally different in the IG quest. He reneged on the rules of engagement and lost, if anything he should have been smarter, given that wagers and games are his MO.

So, does that make it any less simple?

Originally posted by Nihilist
i've read all FC it seem like very poor prep work on darkseids part,he should of been more thorough with his planning and who he put in charge,ie bad management,leadership what ever you want to call it 😂

K.
I personally don't see where he messed up in planning. The CIS was in Goodness, Mokkari et al not thinking much of Batman as a threat, Darkseid was immobilized throughout this period.

Originally posted by Nihilist
that not thanos's fault he's smarter and had planed in advance

GM lost by being stupid too, he reneged on the rules of engagement he'd accepted, got duped by the old switcheroo and the arena/platform collapsed. Thanos showed intellect there but GM in the IG saga didn't appear as smart as he was in jla/avengers, different writers and all that.

Originally posted by Nihilist
so....using your resources is a bad thing now then.

Who said that? I said it doesn't become any less simple. Using scanners to find ultimate power is not difficult. Is it?

Originally posted by Allankles
K.
I personally don't see where he messed up in planning. The CIS was in Goodness, Mokkari et al not thinking much of Batman as a threat, Darkseid was immobilized throughout this period.

GM lost by being stupid too, he reneged on the rules of engagement he'd accepted, got duped by the old switcheroo and the arena/platform collapsed. Thanos showed intellect there but GM in the IG saga didn't appear as smart as he was in jla/avengers, different writers and all that.

Who said that? I said it doesn't become any less simple. Using scanners to find ultimate power is not difficult. Is it?

Originally posted by Nihilist
but thats what his tech is for too make things easy,why do someting difficult when you have the capabilties and knowledge do something easy instead of making it hard, or whilst you do someting else?...just seems like common sense to me

Obviously you've missed my point. If it's that simple then it isn't something to brag about.

Originally posted by Allankles
Obviously you've missed my point. If it's that simple then it isn't something to brag about.

Originally posted by Nihilist
i didnt miss your point at all.so you think its better to do things the hard way.

I didn't say anything about things being better the hard way things are not so impressive when they are achieved without any sought of difficulty. You've heard the term "like taking candy from a baby", which is precisely what Hotu and the IG saga were. That's poor plot weaving.

EDIT: Meanwhile Darkseid falls from a death without recovery, he chooses then to drag the entire multiverse into his personal singularity, even piercing the bleed (that's why the Earth's sky is is red and it rains blood red) to convert life to his will.

Originally posted by Allankles
I didn't say anything about things being better the hard way things are not so impressive when they are achieved without any sought of difficulty. You've heard the term "like taking candy from a baby", which is precisely what Hotu and the IG saga were. That's poor plot weaving.

Originally posted by Nihilist
again thats your opinion because it's thanos and not darkseid.

My opinion is one thing, however there's no denying the simplicity of getting Hotu (apparently he was manipulated into that) and the IG saga (if you read Quest) you'd know Inbetweener owned himself, Champion owned himself, the rest fell over.

He had two or more gems to their one and none of them knew the nature of the gems even though they had gone out to get them in the first place.

The only time he had to apply significant brain power was the GM fight, which I admit he used intellect, but GM didn't look impressive himself at any point there (NOT JLA/AVENGERS impressive).

I'm just observing what is there in the comics.

Originally posted by Allankles
Not in powers or costume or well motivation. DS doesn't waste his time chasing after magic swords. Doom has a cool name, I'll give him that.

Costume? fanboy

Originally posted by Mindset
Only thing DS has over Doom is power.

Costume? fanboy

DS has plenty things over Doom. Like tech, knowledge etc DS has been playing with the tools of war and conflict for millenia.

DS' mind can perceive infinite realities and can project this in nasty ways with the Omega Sanction. Doom's costume in the movie is cool in the comics he looks silly. Really there's nothing Doom has over DS except his cool name.

Originally posted by Allankles
DS has plenty things over Doom. Like tech, knowledge etc

DS' mind can conceive infinite realities and can project this in nasty ways with the Omega Sanction. Doom's costume in the movie is cool in the comics he looks silly. Really there's nothing Doom has over DS except his cool name.

And still, lol at you thinking DS costume is better than Doom's, since FC it just now stopped being completely ugly.

Originally posted by Allankles
Who is "most"? A lot more people than those that read Annhilation Wave like Gossip Girl or the plethroa of retarded reality shows on TV doesn't make any of those shows quality. Thanos was a poser in Annhilation Wave and his banter with Annhilus was laughable.

It means his mind is set in ways unlike a mortals or most other beings. How can you expect an Apokoliptan god to stop being evil or to stop seeking to rule all in the cosmos? That is who they are, it would be retarded to change that, especially when said god is the representation of primal evil.

What the hell are you on about? When I say he's a force of nature I mean that when Uxas took his god name he became Darkseid, a being who in the lore of the Old Gods would become the most feared of all the gods. He's the representation of a concept i.e. a force of the abstract concept of evil. When I say force of nature I don't mean anything to do with power as you assumed.

We've already been through this, Grand master doesn't represent all the Elders and in IG he acted too late when DS had already taken 4 gems off of the other scrubs. Runner had no chance and neither did GM. Also notice that GM was written by a different writer in jla/avengers, Starlin basically turned the Elders to scrubs to push Thanos.

Which Batman/Superman, the one where he'd turned Earth into Apokolips, Supes and Bats ruling over Earth etc etc that Batman/Superman?

DS is more accomplished. He's taken ultimate power before just like Thanos and has a greater body of work than Thanos. Couple this with the fact that Thanos' claim to fame involved smacking a few Elder scrubs and falling into HOTU after he'd merely looked at a well to find it. Nowhere close.

DS has Apokolpis (which he used cunning to acquire)involving several careful steps for him to take, way more intelligent and cunning in its execution than anything Thanos has to his name.

Yes Yes! I know you think obsessing over death is cool, and seeking conquest of all things isn't. Doesn't change the fact that Thanos had no purpose for taking part in the Annhilation Wave, that's a no, no for a villain.

Primal evil....ok just like all the rest. Hell,I'm still not that impressed. He is a god and so is Thor,Ares,Odin,etc. It just means they are gods. Superman has punked gods and so has Thanos.

k,he assumed a name and one in which Orion has been at him his tneire life and Izaya and such has stalemated his entire life. Darkseid finally had his day in the sun and is enjoying it now. Bout time.

No,you cannot have it that way at all. Basically you want to piss and moan and claim he is a different character if starlin writes him. He isn't. When compared to Mteon GM seems an equal and when compared to Thanos he is a joke. Shows you how the compare to the same character.

The one where he hid in a barn and the one where batman caused him to bleed. Both humiliating showings imo.

When has Darkseid taken ultimate power? When? Thanos sought the cosmic cube and got it. Thanos sought the ig and got it. Thanos merged with the heart because he was good enough and he determined it existed beforehand. Ds wanted the godwave and got beat to it. Ds wanted the source's power got it,and then his plans turned to shit when Superman interfered causing Orion to be brought in to run him off. Even when he acquires the vast power he gets beaten very quickly unlike Thanos. 😉

Thanos doesn't need a whole planet of mindless worshippers to accomplish what Darkseid has. He has done better with less.

Worshipping death is different than being pure evil. Pure evil is like every other villain out there.

Can we get back to the thread topic?

Originally posted by Allankles
What else is there left for him to do? It proves that his quests for ultimate power were pointless to him, he had no vision beyond acquiring those artifacts.

Also it is a lot easier to gain ultimate power in Thanos' universe, there ultimate power is contained in trinkets like gems and cubes. Also he can just look at a Well and find out where ultimate power lies, extremely cheap (and I'm being kind, trust me).

Are you saying gaining the ale is impossible? Orion did it a long time ago. He attempted to gain the godwave and dropped the ball. He actually successfully stole and tapped into the source's power and got beat in like 10 minutes. Then his plans were torched in countdown 2 and orion had to actually call the heroes off and he still finished him one on one.

The guy resorted to recruiting mary marvel in her apartment and still fell flat on his face.

Originally posted by Mindset
You keep mentioning things that have nothing to do with someone being a better character than another 😐

I've not seen anything for me to reply in that respect. A great example of DS character is in the way he conditions his subjects on Apokolips.

Like when he first met Granny Goodness, she had killed her superior in the Hounds when he had asked her to kill her dog, Mercy (who she'd trained).

For this she's brought before DS and when asked to explain her actions she said the dog would serve Darkseid unquestioningly and is a better servant than the officer she killed.

To test this DS tells the dog to kill Goodness, Goodness quickly turns on the only living thing she'd ever shown affection to and kills Mercy.

DS impressed by her cold resolve appoints her to train his Elite soldiers in the "Orphanage". DS demonstrates complexity there.

First, concerned that one of his own officers (Hounds) was murder by his own. He then chooses to test the merits of Goodness actions in killing the man for her dog, and is impressed by both her lack of hesitation and the degree to which she'd trained the dog, to the point that it would turn on the one who trained it.

I wont lie, I'm not gonna read that.

Originally posted by Mindset
I wont lie, I'm not gonna read that.

😂

Good to see I wasted time. *ouch*

But essentially you haven't shown me anything to reply to with Doom in terms of character. He has a cool name and all is one of the smartest humans in comics but I don't know what he brings characterwise.

How will Thanos be able to defeat Doomsday?

Originally posted by Necronomicon
How will Thanos be able to defeat Doomsday?