Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Indeed.If simply adding the Ki levels of the fusees was equal to the Ki levels of the fusion, why not have one transfer most of their Ki to the other? This would save the trouble of either having to go through the Dance, or staying fused forever.
Originally posted by SSJ2Vegeta
well in the japanese version he says "Shenlong, please, help!and i thought this was SSJ4 gogeta vs Broly lol
Originally posted by Wandy0123
You do realize broly would win unless Gogeta destroyed him in less than 10 minutes brolys power constantly increases with no limit thats why hes legendary super sayin so given enough time (10 minutes if i recals thats how long the fusion lasts) after that kakarot and vegeta and noone else would be a match not even omega due to the simple fact his power never stops rising even when hes fighting it increases he should literaly be unbeatable in the series but hey the good guys always win...Broly would no doubt win this fight
Hell, Gogeta would prolly kill Broly by accident as Zack put it, and even if he were to toy around long enough for Goku and Vegeta to defuse, Broly wouldn't last long against two SS4's in the long run. He's no Omega Shenron.
This thread's poll results also say/suggest that SS4 Gogeta would annihilate Broly, much more likely than not.
Originally posted by Wandy0123
Broly is more powerful than hatchiuk or however u spell due to the fact that he doesnt have any weakness (that i know of) and hatchiuk has that move he ALWAYS used where his defence is down thats how the Z fighters won first time Plus brolt would probly just destroy the planet with his tiny ki blast thing lol
Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't have to prove he wasn't right, you have to prove he was,
I hate this "logic" that people try to use in versus discussions.
Remember, kids, the way around the lame "I can't prove a negative" argument is simply this: rephrase your question that requires they prove a positive statement abouth their position.
NemeBro's argument is this: prove that Goku, if after powering up enough, would be able to destroy Kid Buu with a single blast.
The response is this: Goku said he could power up enough to do so, so he can.
NemeBro's response: Prove it.
The response to that: You prove he can't.
Nemebro's response: I can't prove a negative. You prove your positive statement.
That's easy to reword that still forces NemeBro to have to prove his counter-position.
Prove that Kid Buu can tank a blast from an afterlife Goku (a Goku that is in SSJ3, firing an attack after having gathered all of his energy).
Remember, kids, this is how you counter the logic word games people like to hide behind.
The counter to that is: but I'm not stating Buu could tank it.
The response to that is: but I'm following on panel evidence. Contradict that with other on panel evidence or concede the point.
The only on panel evidence we have is that it WOULD work. Goku knew all about Buu's putty body. He observed the fighting with Buu through the crystal ball. They knew that they had to create a blast powerful enough to destroy Buu down to the microscopic level...not just just tiny tiny bits. Goku, after decades of fighting and his intimate knowledge of Buu, knew how much of a powerful blast would be required to accomplish this task. He did not know that his mortal body would have less ability to gather energy..to the point of exhausting his SSJ3 form and all of his energy: it is a state, while in a mortal body, that is energy negative even when resting or trying to gather energy. This is not the case for an afterlife body.
The baseless and unsupportable claim: Goku could not have destroyed Kid Buu if he was in his afterlife SSJ3 form.
The supported claim: Goku could have destroyed Kid Buu in his afterlife SSJ3 form.
Any contradictions to the latter is unsupported. Any contradictions to the former are supported. Invoking the former as a counter to the latter is not appropriate because of the experience Goku brings to the table. This is not a case of "well, Goku is a fallible character and is not omniscient". This is a case of "well, NemeBro is a fallible human and not omniscient". Unless a contradiction exists, the expert characters' on panel statements in ability (when clearly not being used as a scare tactic) is to be taken as fact. Only if there is a contradiction of said ability, do we take the position counter to it.
For example:
1. For the on panel expert statement that would be correct: Goku thought he could destroy Kid Buu's form IF he was in his afterlife SSJ3 form, after having powered up enough.
2. For an in movie expert statement that would be considered incorrect: Master Roshi said ChiChi was stronger than a super saiyan. Obviously, that was a joke and an exaggeration in terms of fighting power (she is stronger than Goku in the fact that she can tell him what to do and he sometimes listens/obeys).
Originally posted by NemeBro
5. You can't actually prove the Galick Gun is a bona fide planet buster, unless you count the noncanon attack on Arlia. In canon, the strongest character to ever destroy a planet was Freeza in his first form.
Funny that you would claim the non-canon nature of planet busting feats FOR Broly, but you'd ignore the canon planet busting feats for characters AGAINST Broly.
Fact: Roshi, at a power level less than 200, destroyed the moon. Fact, a Piccolo with a power level less than 3000 destroyed the moon with ease.
Fact: Planet busting abilities existed long before Broly came along.
Fact: Goku had a powerlevel of 150,000,000 in his initial SSJ form.
That means that at a bare minimum, Goku in his initial SSJ form, can destroy something with a radius of 1,874,460,432 km. That's assuming, of course, the entire solar system was as massive and dense as the moon. We know that something of that size would easily collapse in on itself into a black hole. But just pretend that it wouldn't for the sake of argument.
So why would you use Frieza as the comparison for "strongest able to destroy a planet" when you should be using "weakest" to be able to destroy something of planet proportions? The moon is not much smaller than Mercury. The moon is bigger than Pluto and Pluto was considered a planet for decades. The moon is the size of a small planet, easily.
Originally posted by NemeBro
A half-dead Saiyan, powered by a few half-dead warriors who he just effortlessly pwned, logically should be able to one shot him, when he just gets stronger?Hahaha no.
Consider this: Raditz easily took on and defeated Goku and Piccolo and he was about 3 times as strong as either of them but not twice as strong as both put together.
Note that Broli never takes them all on at once.
With their powers combined, they become captain planet. Wait, I mean super Goku. At that time, Goku was probably the strongest of the bunch. So they were all depleted warriors. Yet, their depleted strength, combined, was still strong enough to punch the gut chunks out of Broly to death (only PIS revived Broly…no idiot could survive their guts getting punched to chunks). Based on that, we can easily tell that any form of SSJ beyond FPSSJ would blow away LSSJ Broly in terms of power, speed, and strength. It wasn’t even “healthy” energy passed from the fighters to Goku...they were all weakened. So it looks like Broly was about 2 Goku’s in one…maybe less. But he was far enough above the rest of the warriors to make them look like nothing…just as Radditz did to Piccolo and Goku combined.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
LSS Broly was beaten by a bunch of SSJ2s. 😐This is a curbstomp.
I'd wager even SSJ3 Goku can beat LSS Broly.
Actually, none of them were even SSJ2. At best, they were ASSJs. We know that Goku and Gohan were taken from a point before they reached FPSSJ because they were not in "perma-SSJ" mode which is what FPSSJ is. So, at best, he was beaten by a bunch of SSJs with the possiblity of Vegeta and Trunks being ASSJ (however...it was argued by someone else that not even Vegeta and Trunks were ASSJs in Movie 8: they were just partially trained HBTC SSJs...due to their appearance. So we have a mixing of different points in time, from the anime: Goku and Gohan from shortly after they were in the chamber and Vegeta and Trunks from when they were partially into their HBTC training).
It wasn't until Bojack Unbound that we saw SSJ2 in a movie.