SS4 Gogeta vs LSS Broly

Started by yungz2211 pages

Originally posted by Kento
HE was weaker at ssj2 than as a kid..but even during the Buu Saga he was strong enough to fight evenly against Dabura who was as strong as Super Perfect Cell.

Eh I still think SSJ2 Adult Gohan was only weaker than Teen Gohan because Teen Gohan was angry while Adult Gohan was just regular, and became less emotional as he got older.

vegeta even says gohan overall was much weaker due to lack of training. vegeta also says had gohan kept up his training gohan would have easily killed dabura. I dont think dabura was as strong as super perfect maybe onlii perfect

Originally posted by yungz22
vegeta even says gohan overall was much weaker due to lack of training. vegeta also says had gohan kept up his training gohan would have easily killed dabura. I dont think dabura was as strong as super perfect maybe onlii perfect
But Vegeta only felt Gohan's power against Cell then against Kibito. Gohan at ssj2 a day after he fights Cell would weaker than Gohan against Cell because no anger. Sure lack of training made him rusty but Vegeta is talking about a power that wasn't Gohan's norm when making that statement.

Was Gohan ssj2 against Dabura anyway? I don't remember.

Though even with Gohan being weaker and only on par with Perfect Cell at the least Broli was still able to block his blast without effort while combined with Goten's. Settling the age old debate of who is stronger Cell or Broli.

i dotn see why that would be a debate, its common DBZ knoweldge Broly is more powerful than cell, the only dbz villians more powerful than broly are- Hatachyack, Majin Buu, Janemba,and Hirudegarn i guess... but hirudergarn isnt as awesome or badass as broly

SS4 Gogeta is the strongest character ever conceived in the history of the DBZ franchise.

He was going toe-to-toe against Omega Shenron, the freakin' Dragonballz come to life! And almost killed him, if it weren't for the stupid time limit.

Originally posted by Kento
But Vegeta only felt Gohan's power against Cell then against Kibito. Gohan at ssj2 a day after he fights Cell would weaker than Gohan against Cell because no anger. Sure lack of training made him rusty but Vegeta is talking about a power that wasn't Gohan's norm when making that statement.

Was Gohan ssj2 against Dabura anyway? I don't remember.

Though even with Gohan being weaker and only on par with Perfect Cell at the least Broli was still able to block his blast without effort while combined with Goten's. Settling the age old debate of who is stronger Cell or Broli.

gohan was ssj1 against Dabura. I think once gohan becomes ssj2 he really is no longer fighting with anger because anger is what unlocked his potential to reach the ssj2 state.

Personally i think the gohan that fought cell would kick brolly's ass. Everytime we see gohan become ssj2 he just rapes everybody with one punch and the final villian with one punch. Had gohan kept training he would easily be the strongest z-fighter.

Originally posted by yungz22
gohan was ssj1 against Dabura. I think once gohan becomes ssj2 he really is no longer fighting with anger because anger is what unlocked his potential to reach the ssj2 state.
He still had that anger though. That's why he toyed with Cell, and why he had a drastic decrease in power after Cell blew himself up since that anger was replaced with grief.

And if Gohan was fighting Dabura at ssj then Adult Gohan would be stronger than Teen Gohan at ssj even if Dabura is only Perfect Cell.

And Gohan did become the strongest Z fighter..unless you count GT..which nobody does.

Originally posted by Kento
He still had that anger though. That's why he toyed with Cell, and why he had a drastic decrease in power after Cell blew himself up since that anger was replaced with grief.

And if Gohan was fighting Dabura at ssj then Adult Gohan would be stronger than Teen Gohan at ssj even if Dabura is only Perfect Cell.

And Gohan did become the strongest Z fighter..unless you count GT..which nobody does.


thats what i was originally counting but i thought about it after i made my post. But for some reason myabe its just me but i think tht gohan would have easily dealt with buu had he kept training.

oh and when did it say he was as strong as cell

It has more to do with the 7th Daizenshuu having Perfect Cell and Dabura the same power. Wasn't ever said in the manga.

Even if Gohan had kept training I think CIS would keep Gohan from beating Buu before he gets absorbed.

Originally posted by Kento
He still had that anger though. That's why he toyed with Cell, and why he had a drastic decrease in power after Cell blew himself up since that anger was replaced with grief.

And if Gohan was fighting Dabura at ssj then Adult Gohan would be stronger than Teen Gohan at ssj even if Dabura is only Perfect Cell.

And Gohan did become the strongest Z fighter..unless you count GT..which nobody does.

Anger was more like what tirggered the transformation, as is the usual requirement for SSJ1 as well (though Goku had achieved SSJ2 and SSJ3 due to the supposed lack of limits on energy in the Otherworld). After that, I wouldn't say Gohan was still "angry" as opposed to just maintaining a bit of a change in personality (from reluctant to fight to a merciless and practically sadistic killing machine). Cell's self-destruction seemed to be what called him back.

As for Dabura and Gohan fighting, it had been said by some sources that Gohan hadn't used SSJ2 against Dabura or ever again since using it at the Wolrd Tournament in front of Kibito. Putting that aside though, I'm pretty sure it was implied by someone (either Vegeta or Goku) that Dabura may have been holding back for a while. As far as pre-SSJ2 Teen Gohan fighting Perfect Cell is concerned, Gohan was still reluctant to fight Cell in the first place; he seemed to have lost those kind of qualms when he grew up. I think the general idea of Vegeta's complaints was that Gohan's SSJ2 form in general was more powerful when he was younger. That of course would mean that he supposedley was fighting at SSJ2 against Dabura, which has likely been argued over by the same people who debate whether Gohan was SSJ1 or SSJ2 when fighting Broly (I myself am undecided).

As for Gohan being the strongest Z-fighter, I do believe that's actually Vegito. Thoug that of course is if you count fusions, whom to me, are usually in a different category unless said otherwise. I mean, by the end of the Buu saga, Gohan was technically the most powerful Z-fighter remaining, as Vegito had separated with the Potara Earrings destroyed, and Gogeta was never canonically conceived.

Yeah, I don't count GT either, unless specified otherwise, as is the case in this thread, to which I can only say what I said earlier; Neither Gogeta or Broly are necessarily canon, but as said by others, SSJ4 Gogeta was meant to be the single most powerful character in the Dragonball franchise, canon or not.

Even if Gohan had kept training I think CIS would keep Gohan from beating Buu before he gets absorbed.

That's kinda what actually happened; Gohan didn't finish off Super Buu, who escaped death by self-destructing and absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo. Regardless of the circumstances, Gotenks' fusion was still temporary even inside of Buu, thus if anything was to blame for Gohan being absorbed, it kinda was CIS, but a bit on Goku's part due to exactly how he stopped Buu (with a Destructo Disk, leaving a part of Buu free to absorb Gohan), and the fact that he called off the need for the fusion when Gotenks finally DID defuse in Buu's body, but also on Gohan's part due to having missed the initial catch for the earring (though he did find it before getting absorbed).

Gohan was the strongest unfused warrior.

first of all before i say anything about who'd win, i'd like to say hi first since i'm new. now as to who would win.... i'd say it'd be a tie if broly's power manages to increase enough during the fight.

Originally posted by danteiscool
first of all before i say anything about who'd win, i'd like to say hi first since i'm new. now as to who would win.... i'd say it'd be a tie if broly's power manages to increase enough during the fight.

welcome to kmc... and just as a warning you may have already dug yourslef a hole by picking that name 😕

Indeed.

We don't take kinda to Dante fans 'round here.

what did dante do to u guys??he's the definations of awesomeness in game character 🙄

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06

As for Dabura and Gohan fighting, it had been said by some sources that Gohan hadn't used SSJ2 against Dabura or ever again since using it at the Wolrd Tournament in front of Kibito. Putting that aside though, I'm pretty sure it was implied by someone (either Vegeta or Goku) that Dabura may have been holding back for a while. As far as pre-SSJ2 Teen Gohan fighting Perfect Cell is concerned, Gohan was still reluctant to fight Cell in the first place; he seemed to have lost those kind of qualms when he grew up. I think the general idea of Vegeta's complaints was that Gohan's SSJ2 form in general was more powerful when he was younger. That of course would mean that he supposedley was fighting at SSJ2 against Dabura, which has likely been argued over by the same people who debate whether Gohan was SSJ1 or SSJ2 when fighting Broly (I myself am undecided).

vegeta said it at the world tornament here the link to the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1Xveg01g

the stronger a saiyan's base form is the stronger there super forms will be which brings in my saiyan multiplier
Oozaru (Great Ape) x10 of base level
SSJ (Super Saiyan): x50 of base level
ASSJ Ascended Super Saiyan) : x2 of SSJ Level
USSJ (Ultra Super Saiyan): x1.75 of ASSJ Level
MSSJ (Mastered Super Saiyan/Full Power Super Saiyan): x100 of base level
SSJ2 (Super Saiyan 2) x10 of normal SSJ and x 5 of MSSJ
SSJ3 (Super Saiayn 3) x5 of SSJ2
LSSJ (Legendary Super Saiyan) Power keeps on rising longer the battle drags on
SSJ4 (Super Saiyan 4) x?? not sure about this one

so when youre saying gohan's SSJ2 form is weaker its not his form its his base form and as for SSJ4 Gogeta vs Broly its kind of obvious broly gets stronger the longer the battle carries on but SSJ4 gogeta is just to powerful and has already been the declared the stronges db/z/gt character and omega shenron has also been declared the strongest villain.

This thread should be something more along the lines of SSJ2 Goku or SSJ2 Vegeta (DBZ versions) vs Broly because there DBGT versions would annihalate broly. If it was SSJ2 Vegeta (DBZ) vs broly id say vegeta because theres a huge gap in strength between gohan base form (Majin Buu saga beggining) and vegeta so imagine how much more powerful his SSJ2 form would be

Originally posted by Slaanesh
what did dante do to u guys??he's the definations of awesomeness in game character 🙄

Of his character type, maybe. But that 'type' is beyond overused, especially in animes and JRPGs.

Gohan SSJ deflected a blast easily from broly, He also to a blast to the face basicly when he tryed to stop it from getting to pan, kid trunks and kid goten!

Videl, genius.