Originally posted by Starscream M
or maybe it was an accurate depictionwhy do people on KMC expect Thor to be more than he is...accept him for who he is.
What is your problem?
Thor has never screamed, like a little girl when Hulk hit him.
You simply have some illogical problem of Thor beating Hulk.
Well get over it, he has done in the past, and if need be can do it again.
I don't even know why this is a debate.
DVD non-cannon.
Banner less Hulk vs. Thor in the comic was cannon.
How is this even a debate.
No one has trouble accepting Thor who he really is accept you, I'm afraid. You keep denying the on panel truth.
For god sakes, I even posted scans of their fight.
What more do you want to prove that Thor can survive what Banner less Hulk can dish out.
The only time they meet, Thor took his blows, and held his ground.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympuslol looks like Im getting on your nerves...
What is your problem?Thor has never screamed, like a little girl when Hulk hit him.
You simply have some illogical problem of Thor beating Hulk.
Well get over it, he has done in the past, and if need be can do it again.
I don't even know why this is a debate.
DVD non-cannon.
Banner less Hulk vs. Thor in the comic was cannon.
How is this even a debate.
No one has trouble accepting Thor who he really is accept you, I'm afraid. You keep denying the on panel truth.
For god sakes, I even posted scans of their fight.
What more do you want to prove that Thor can survive what Banner less Hulk can dish out.
The only time they meet, Thor took his blows, and held his ground.
those scans were from like 20 years ago...and they were a poor depiction of mindless Hulk, nevermind that Hulk is much more powerful in current depictions. Whereas Thor actually has gotten downgraded over the years. So I dont hold much value in that particular issue.
Originally posted by Starscream M
lol looks like Im getting on your nerves...those scans were from like 20 years ago...and they were a poor depiction of mindless Hulk, nevermind that Hulk is much more powerful in current depictions. Whereas Thor actually has gotten downgraded over the years. So I dont hold much value in that particular issue.
A poor depiction of the mindless Hulk, how can it be a poor depiction when it's like basically the first time he appeared?
How does that even make any sense?
Thor has gotten down graded, because he needs to be to have a monthly issue (Although with all the delays it seems like an annual issue).
Hence why he doesn't wield the same power as he did before Ragnarok etc.
Why does Hulk getting stronger, have anything to do with this?
Thor has gotten weaker but the Hulk has gotten stronger. That's great, to bad it still applies as they are in different leagues just as they were back in the day as Classic Thor and Savage Hulk.
Classic Thor > Savage Hulk.
Current Thor > Savage Hulk or WWH.
The only reason you don't hold much value over that issue is because you don't like it. There's no other reason, really.
Thor is still able to match Hulk in hand to hand and still more powerful than Hulk overall (Even more so as his physical stats have been upgraded (Took a blast from the Destroyer and he was still standing), and so has his overall power (Thor Force). So yea).
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A poor depiction of the mindless Hulk, how can it be a poor depiction when it's like basically the first time he appeared?
Did you really just ask that? wow
so first appearances are valid depictions of how characters are even decades later?
news to me
guess we should use first depictions of Superman too...when he couldn't even fly!
The problem with that, is he has only appeared once more after Banner and Hulk were merged if I recall and he never thought Thor then.
So how can you call that fight as a poor description?
You seem to have a problem with Thor being able to match Hulk in a hand to hand fight.
His done it every time they've meet, accept it already.
So, even though he has knocked him out, beaten the crap out of him with his Hammer until Hulk had to resort to a hostage, and even killed him in continuity, you refuse to accept that Thor can match the Hulk in hand to hand?
On the other hand, the worst Hulk has given Thor, is superficial wounds such as a bruised eye and lip.
Right.....
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusand even though current Savage Hulk is far more powerful than the one that lost to Thor 20 years ago, you insist on using that version of Hulk as being definitive...
So, even though he has knocked him out, beaten the crap out of him with his Hammer until Hulk had to resort to a hostage, and even killed him in continuity, you refuse to accept that Thor can match the Hulk in hand to hand?On the other hand, the worst Hulk has given Thor, is superficial wounds such as a bruised eye and lip.
Right.....
even though Thor has been downgraded since that battle, you insist he's more powerful...
even though Hulk has beaten Thor recently in comics (red hulk) and other media (movie), you write those off...
and I'm the biased one 🙄
Originally posted by Starscream MNo he isn't. Savage is the same Savage that he has always been.
and even though current Savage Hulk is far more powerful than the one that lost to Thor 20 years ago, you insist on using that version of Hulk as being definitive...even though Thor has been downgraded since that battle, you insist he's more powerful...
even though Hulk has beaten Thor recently in comics (red hulk) and other media (movie), you write those off...
and I'm the biased one 🙄
And Savage Hulk also lost to Thor less than 9 years ago as well...
Thor was cut off from the Odin Force in the fight with Hulk and Thing...
Red Hulk is far more powerful than Savage. The movie is about as canon as a drawing I can do on MS paint.
You aren't?
Originally posted by Starscream M
and even though current Savage Hulk is far more powerful than the one that lost to Thor 20 years ago, you insist on using that version of Hulk as being definitive...even though Thor has been downgraded since that battle, you insist he's more powerful...
even though Hulk has beaten Thor recently in comics (red hulk) and other media (movie), you write those off...
and I'm the biased one 🙄
Dude, Savage Hulk has always been Savage Hulk.
Thor has been downgraded yes, but he is still more powerful than WWH etc. If he wasn't he would still be Rune King Thor.
What would be the point of having conflicts on Earth then?
Hulk was upgraded, because it was necessary, Thor was downgraded because it was also necessary. Hulk needed to be more powerful, hence Green Scar, Thor was already more powerful, hence no Odin Force but a Thor Force.
Are we supposed to right of all their battles just like that?
Their last fight was in 2001 were Thor knocked out Hulk again!
So your point was?
It still stands, Classic Thor > Savage Hulk. Even now.
Current Thor > Hulk to an even greater degree.
What's the argument here for?
Don't even bring up the Red Hulk. That was PIS, did Loeb forget Thor has unlimited and total control of Mjolnir. Honestly, I would think that Odin's enchantment would still work in space. Christ....
Either Loeb is a moron (Which he is) and he can't write anything decent, or Thor wanted for Red Hulk to take his hammer and harm him.
Don't forget, Thor came back and was about to kill Red Hulk.
Oh yea, your friend Hulk was knocked out by a broken arm and a choke hold....
What is wrong with you? Movies are not cannon.
I am tired of telling you that. I am honestly on the brink of insulting you.
Marvel counts them as non cannon, why do you keep referring to them.
In the Avengers Reborn movie, Hulk lifted up Ultimate Thor's hammer. It happened but it doesn't make it right based on the comic now does it?
Thor has superior showings against the Hulk, get over it.
It's happened in the past and will happen again.
Stan himself created Thor to be able to match someone like the Hulk in strength but be powerful enough to stalemate Cosmic Beings (Silver Surfer etc. who would massacre the Hulk) and fight of Cosmic Threats.
Since his very creation, he was intended to be:
Classic Thor > Hulk
I'm tired debating with you...
I presented on panel evidence of Thor being able to take Banner Less Hulk's blows, yet you still disagree.
Bringing up years into this. It's a comic. In comics, those fights are not 20 years old etc.
This recent enough for you?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorknockoutHulk1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorknockoutHulk2.jpg
Originally posted by I'm Bran
No he isn't. Savage is the same Savage that he has always been.And Savage Hulk also lost to Thor 9 years ago as well...
Thor was cut off from the Odin Force in the fight with Hulk and Thing...
Red Hulk is far more powerful than Savage. The movie is about as canon as a drawing I can do on MS paint.
You aren't?
Yup, no Odin Force, he beat the Hulk and the Thing at the same time. I stated that in this thread earlier but you can guess his answer....
I know the movie is not cannon...that doesn't mean it is inaccurate.
Just because you don't like how they depicted Thor doesn't mean it was a poor depiction.
You keep claiming that Hulk won in the movie just because he's more popular. So I guess if Marvel made a Spiderman vs Thor movie, Spiderman would win too huh?
anyways, I'm done with this debate.
Originally posted by I'm Brantoo bad we're not talking about savage hulk...who I dont dispute is weaker than Thor
No he isn't. Savage is the same Savage that he has always been.And Savage Hulk also lost to Thor less than 9 years ago as well...
Thor was cut off from the Odin Force in the fight with Hulk and Thing...
Red Hulk is far more powerful than Savage. The movie is about as canon as a drawing I can do on MS paint.
You aren't?
we're talking about savage BANNERLESS Hulk...the guy who effortlessly beat Onslaught
that version is more powerful than Thor imo
but whatever
