Didn´t Galen defeat Sidious in the last battle of the game?I know that Sidious killed him at the end but I thought Galen already defeated him before he died.
Depa is at Mace´ level in lightsaber skills (or even better than Mace) and I think Mace could defeat Yoda in a swordbattle.
Of course Depa would lost a force battle against Yoda but I think she could win in all out.
Originally posted by JediMaster97Galen "defeated" Sidious in the game. But the novel (the higher canon), and Starwars.com both state that ultimately Starkiller was unable to overcome the Emperor's powers (to paraphrase). And Palpatine's power only increases between TFU an DE.
Didn´t Galen defeat Sidious in the last battle of the game?I know that Sidious killed him at the end but I thought Galen already defeated him before he died.Depa is at Mace´ level in lightsaber skills (or even better than Mace) and I think Mace could defeat Yoda in a swordbattle.
Of course Depa would lost a force battle against Yoda but I think she could win in all out.
Lightsaber skill and Force prowess are not interchangeable terms. Kas'im is arguably one of the best swordsman to have ever lived, but that does not mean his telekinetic mastery, or Lightning proficiency is the best ever. Obi-Wan is the greatest defensive swordsmen ever, but he was gripped and hucked away with one motion by Dooku. Sword skill=/=Force skill.
Mace defeating Yoda in a sword battle is another story entirely.
EDIT: I'm also wondering where Bane and Caedus are on your list, and why the likes of the Unknown Plagueis and Revan are above them.
Originally posted by JediMaster97
Jedi:
1.Luke Skywalker
2.Galen Marek
3.Depa Billaba(I know you don´t believe it)
4.Mace Windu
5.Kyp DurronSith:
1.Galen Marek
2.Darth Sidious
3.Exar Kun
4.Darth Revan
5.Darth Tyrannus/Marka Ragnos/Darth Nihilus/Plagueis
I´m not sure.
Where the heck is Yoda?… Or you meant Yoda, when you typed Galen at 2, cos Yoda should definitely be there.
… Depa Billaba at 3, I don’t think so.
Also, Bane and Caedus should be definitely on the Sith list, I’d rank N. higher etc.…
Spoiler:
Blasphemy! Revan should be nr 1 on both lists.
Originally posted by Nephthys
That might be a typo btw. 'Yeah that´s right that Obi-Wan is[b]n't a better swordman than Dooku.' [/B]
Originally posted by JediMaster97
No,that´s notsarcasma typo.If you read the ROTS novel you would know how good Obi-Wan really is.I just talk about "lightsaberskills" not about force or all out.And in my opinion there´s a proof that Depa is better than Yoda.
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Originally posted by JediMaster97
The proof is that Mace could beat Palpatine. Yoda not.
There are two fallacies here:
1 - ABC logic in and of itself fails in determining the superiority of one combatant over another.
2 - Mace failed as much in executing Sidious as Yoda did. This is analogous to what happened to the USA in the Vietnam conflict. We didn't lose in that we were overpowered, we lost in that we failed to achieve our objective. Likewise, Mace and Yoda failed in that they both fell short of their goal - executing/capturing Darth Sidious. Do you understand the difference?
3 - Allright, I lied and said there were only two, but you're also ignoring the numerous CANON sources plainly stating that Yoda is the most powerful Jedi in the order. No matter what you think, you cannot argue against canon and hope to win.
Originally posted by JediMaster97
This thread is about the 5 most powerful jedi/sith.If this was about the top 10 then Yoda would be in the list because he´s at 6 in my opinion
🙂 Isn´t that enough for Yoda?
As Jinsoku pointed out, by RotS Yoda was called "the most powerful foe of darkness bla bla.” It really says something. And definitely it indicates that Mace or Depa are not more powerful than Yoda.
I personally see Yoda as second only to Luke in terms of power and lightsaber skill.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
There are two fallacies here:1 - ABC logic in and of itself fails in determining the superiority of one combatant over another.
2 - Mace failed as much in executing Sidious as Yoda did. This is analogous to what happened to the USA in the Vietnam conflict. We didn't lose in that we were overpowered, we lost in that we failed to achieve our objective. Likewise, Mace and Yoda failed in that they both fell short of their goal - executing/capturing Darth Sidious. Do you understand the difference?
3 - Allright, I lied and said there were only two, but you're also ignoring the numerous CANON sources plainly stating that Yoda is the most powerful Jedi in the order. No matter what you think, you cannot argue against canon and hope to win.
It´s right that the entire jedi order failed against Palpatine,but in a fight Mace can win.