Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
From my understanding of linguistics, since the quote in question is not indicative of Yoda's word-for-word thought process, it is not to be used as such. It is narration, and is therefore to be interpreted in no other manner.
Almost all contemporary fiction is coined by the used of third-person limited narrative, with the RotS novel just using different focal characters (e.g. Dooku, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Mace). There is no "omniscient" narrator. Given this, all of the narrative in the RotS novel is derived from the thoughts, feelings and knowledge of the focal characters. For the fight between Yoda and Sidious, this character is Yoda. So the quote in question, even though presented by the third-person narrator, is absolutely spawning from Yoda's mind.
And while I don't want to question / discuss whether Yoda's perception is true or not, it's certainly questionable.
JediMaster, not so good at this.
I'll just touch the Depa Bilaba tripe:
She never had a chance to kill Mace in a normal fight situation. Every circumstance of that fight favored her, INCLUDING a suprise attack that meant the fight started with Mace having a lightsaber through the belly.
When you take a life-threatening wound before the duel begins, nothing about the duel is even.
Originally posted by truejedi
JediMaster, not so good at this.
I'll just touch the Depa Bilaba tripe:She never had a chance to kill Mace in a normal fight situation. Every circumstance of that fight favored her, INCLUDING a suprise attack that meant the fight started with Mace having a lightsaber through the belly.
When you take a life-threatening wound before the duel begins, nothing about the duel is even.
Not to mention the fact that he was shot to hell not too long before the duel.
Originally posted by JediMaster97
Mace said that Depas lightsaberskills surpassed his own and I don´t know why this should be wrong.
Mace said that PARTS of her swordplay had surpassed that of his own. PARTS!!! And this is from a purely technical standpoint. Floyd Mayweather is by FAR a better BOXER than Mike Tyson could ever hope to have been - buy Tyson would have slaughtered him in the ring (for obvious reasons) if there was ever a way to go back in time and make a fight between the two. In similar fashion, Mace Windu is far and away a superior combatant in relation to Depa.
JediMaster97
Mace said that Depas lightsaberskills surpassed his own and I don´t know why this should be wrong.
Because, as tj points out, he still defeated her despite enormous disadvantages. Anakin Skywalker claims in Attack of the Clones that Obi-Wan rivals Mace in power and Yoda in wisdom, are we to take him at his word when he performs at a demonstrably inferior level than they do?
Originally posted by truejediI think in that particular instance, Mace was speaking the truth - not just being overly humble. After all, he'd already engaged Grievous in a saber duel beforehand, so he knew the cyborg's capabilities very well...
Mace seemed to say at one point that Kenobi would have a better chance against Grievous than Mace would... doesn't mean he was right. Mace is ridiculously humble in his self-assessments pretty often.
"Without pausing, Grievous drew two lightsabers from inside his billowing cloak. By the time they were ignited, Mace was already on and all over the cyborg, batting away at the two blades, swinging low at Grievous's artificial legs, thrusting at his skeletal face. The lightsabers thrummed and hissed, meeting one another in bursts of dazzling light[...]
As Mace already knew from Ki-Adi-Mundi and Shaak Ti, Grievous was well trained in the Jedi arts. He could recognize the hand of Dooku in the general's training and technique. His strikes were as forceful as any Mace had ever had to counter, and his speed was astonishing. But he didn't know Vaapad - - the technique of dark flirtation in which Mace excelled[...]
Successful at analyzing Mace's lightsaber style, Grievous altered his stance and posture, along with the angle of his parries, ripostes, and thrusts. The result wasn't Vaapad, but it was close enough, and Mace wasn't interested in prolonging the contest any longer than necessary[...]" - Labyrinth of Evil
Because this particular battle took place in an environment where Mace was unable to readily utilize any offensive force powers (ie. force push/crush) to his advantage, he had no other option then to go saber to saber with Grievous... And in that area, the novel described them as near-equals (thanks mainly to GG's ability to copy combat forms -even those as complex as Vaapad- on the fly.) Also keep in mind that Grievous was only wielding two sabers at the time.
So the impenetrable defense Kenobi's Soresu offered was almost certainly the best suited to combating Grievous (from a saber/duel standpoint), imo.
When Kenobi did fight him, he really took Grevious apart for precisely that reason.
Due to Grevious's speed and arms, pretty much everyone else is going to be more defensive-footed than they're used to, but Obi-wan's style is designed for that situation. Windu or Yoda would've still won, of course, but Kenobi was still an ideal Jedi for the job.
JEDI
1) Luke Skywalker/Yoda:I don't agree, it should be revan
2) Mace Windu:now it shoud be luke and yoda
3) Revan:windu
4) Anakin Skywalker:no way......:it is either mundi,fisto, or kenobi or shaak ti
5) Obi-Wan Kenobi:Any jedi except anakin
SITH LORDS
1) Darth Sidious:No darth revan
2) Darth Revan:no darth sidious
3) Darth Bane:no darth caedus
4) Exar Kun:dooku
5) Marka Ragnos:Random sht
I guess living for about 6000 years(capable of living forever),createing lava,forming phantoms that can inflict damage on multiple worlds in such a vast numbers,is a weak thing compared to what everyone else listed above did.Correct me if I am wrong here but if not nadd and Naga discovering the orbalisks bane would be dead.Sidous would not have lived three lives,exar kun used naga's live saveing ameulet,while revan used his blade.And agin createing force lightning is a biggy since it saved sid's live and bane's.but whatever you think is better